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Post by Bluce » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:32 pm

UberGrub wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:07 pm
Bluce wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:23 pm
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What about the Friday the 13th scenario?! :)
Yeah that really scared me, not to mention the double-whammy of the harvest moon tonight, so I sold everything this morning and bought gold bullion, batteries, milk, bread, and ammunition. :shock:
Based on the conversation earlier:
But was the bread international or only domestic? :mrgreen:
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305pelusa wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:39 pm
I think because it went ex-dividend today.
aah! did not realize that. Thanks!

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Post by Snowbird » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:03 am

305pelusa wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:30 pm
Snowbird wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:07 pm
305pelusa wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:39 pm
stocknoob4111 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:32 pm
Any idea why VTSAX (Vanguard Total Market) fell 0.5% today while the S&P 500 fell only 0.07% and checking most of the mid caps funds were down 0.3% or so, small caps were slightly up. I was thinking an aggregate of all those asset classes would result in almost a flat outcome. Bonds were the only thing that fell sharply today, but VTSAX for some reason did as well.
I think because it went ex-dividend today.
Please excuse my ignorance but wouldn't that tend to make it be higher than the S&P instead of lower?
The day a fund/stock goes ex-dividend, it pays its holders the dividend amount and the price of the fund/stock immediately decreases by that dividend amount. Otherwise, one could just buy the day before, receive the dividend, and then sell right back at the purchase price, having made a profit out of nowhere. The market is efficient and arbitrages this such that whoever holds the stock/fund and does receive a dividend also ends up with a stock/fund worth one dividend less in price.

I believe the S&P 500 goes ex-dividend on 9/20 but VTSAX went ex-dividend today. So VTSAX seemingly dropped today but the S&P didn't. I would expect next Friday we'd see the opposite; a security like SPY will drop around 0.5% more than VTSAX. VFIAX goes ex-dividend on 9/24 so keep your eyes out; on that Monday, VFIAX will drop around 0.5% more than VTSAX.

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Post by MJS » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:17 pm

305pelusa wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:30 pm
...
I believe the S&P 500 goes ex-dividend on 9/20 but VTSAX went ex-dividend today. So VTSAX seemingly dropped today but the S&P didn't. I would expect next Friday we'd see the opposite; a security like SPY will drop around 0.5% more than VTSAX. VFIAX goes ex-dividend on 9/24 so keep your eyes out; on that Monday, VFIAX will drop around 0.5% more than VTSAX.

Does that make sense?
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Post by Stinky » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:30 pm

MJS wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:17 pm
305pelusa wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:30 pm
...
I believe the S&P 500 goes ex-dividend on 9/20 but VTSAX went ex-dividend today. So VTSAX seemingly dropped today but the S&P didn't. I would expect next Friday we'd see the opposite; a security like SPY will drop around 0.5% more than VTSAX. VFIAX goes ex-dividend on 9/24 so keep your eyes out; on that Monday, VFIAX will drop around 0.5% more than VTSAX.

Does that make sense?
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Post by Stinky » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:10 pm

Time to get off the free fall thread. It’s been three weeks since a post here.

Market up almost 1% today. Up yesterday.

Clearly soaring! :moneybag
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Post by robertmcd » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:11 pm

Like clockwork. A quick dip and voila! Another rate cut priced in. Equities rally back to near ATH's due to multiple expansion as earnings continue to deteriorate. Rinse and repeat for the next 12 months.

What happens when earnings continue their decline with stocks at all time highs, the Fed funds rate at 0, and the 10 yr sub 1%?

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Post by Lee_WSP » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:19 pm

And I'm up $5! :beer :sharebeer

Yeah, except I'm up $0 because apparently NEAR isn't one of those iShare ETF's that trade for free......... :oops: :oops: :oops: Got too excited about buying the dip. Saw I had $50 leftover and nowhere to put it. NEAR traded for $50 & paid better than the sweep so... it sounded great. Except I forgot to check the total price.... :oops:

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Post by JBeck » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:52 pm

robertmcd wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:11 pm
Like clockwork. A quick dip and voila! Another rate cut priced in. Equities rally back to near ATH's due to multiple expansion as earnings continue to deteriorate. Rinse and repeat for the next 12 months.

What happens when earnings continue their decline with stocks at all time highs, the Fed funds rate at 0, and the 10 yr sub 1%?
Negative rates and uncharted waters :shock:

Maybe a mild recession and low future returns after?

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Post by robertmcd » Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:06 pm

JBeck wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:52 pm
robertmcd wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:11 pm
Like clockwork. A quick dip and voila! Another rate cut priced in. Equities rally back to near ATH's due to multiple expansion as earnings continue to deteriorate. Rinse and repeat for the next 12 months.

What happens when earnings continue their decline with stocks at all time highs, the Fed funds rate at 0, and the 10 yr sub 1%?
Negative rates and uncharted waters :shock:

Maybe a mild recession and low future returns after?

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The problem is going to be when the 2 yr yield goes negative on its own, when the FFR is 0-0.25%. There is gonna have to be a decision for negative rates made, because a positive yield curve is necessary. My guess is fiscal/MMT with rate caps maintained by POMO. Keeping my eye on gold and value stocks for that time. If they choose to just go negative FFR for a positive sloping yield curve, then the status quo will continue to outperform (long duration/growth).

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Post by Walkure » Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:48 pm

robertmcd wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:06 pm
JBeck wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:52 pm
robertmcd wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:11 pm
Like clockwork. A quick dip and voila! Another rate cut priced in. Equities rally back to near ATH's due to multiple expansion as earnings continue to deteriorate. Rinse and repeat for the next 12 months.

What happens when earnings continue their decline with stocks at all time highs, the Fed funds rate at 0, and the 10 yr sub 1%?
Negative rates and uncharted waters :shock:

Maybe a mild recession and low future returns after?

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The problem is going to be when the 2 yr yield goes negative on its own, when the FFR is 0-0.25%. There is gonna have to be a decision for negative rates made, because a positive yield curve is necessary. My guess is fiscal/MMT with rate caps maintained by POMO. Keeping my eye on gold and value stocks for that time. If they choose to just go negative FFR for a positive sloping yield curve, then the status quo will continue to outperform (long duration/growth).
I don't see the necessity of a positive yield curve in the event of protracted negative rates. My intuitive notion is that the yield curve should naturally flatten approaching zero, then mirror itself about the x-axis as rates go negative. In other words, in a regime where rates are negative and expected to remain so indefinitely, you would rationally be willing to invest in a 30-yr at -1% over a 5-year at -.5% to avoid the reinvestment risk of having short term rates below -1% five years out.

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Walkure wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:48 pm

I don't see the necessity of a positive yield curve in the event of protracted negative rates. My intuitive notion is that the yield curve should naturally flatten approaching zero, then mirror itself about the x-axis as rates go negative. In other words, in a regime where rates are negative and expected to remain so indefinitely, you would rationally be willing to invest in a 30-yr at -1% over a 5-year at -.5% to avoid the reinvestment risk of having short term rates below -1% five years out.
Just thinking about the shape of the yield curve in a negative interest rate environment makes my head hurt.

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Post by robertmcd » Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:53 pm

Walkure wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:48 pm
robertmcd wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:06 pm
JBeck wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:52 pm
robertmcd wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:11 pm
Like clockwork. A quick dip and voila! Another rate cut priced in. Equities rally back to near ATH's due to multiple expansion as earnings continue to deteriorate. Rinse and repeat for the next 12 months.

What happens when earnings continue their decline with stocks at all time highs, the Fed funds rate at 0, and the 10 yr sub 1%?
Negative rates and uncharted waters :shock:

Maybe a mild recession and low future returns after?

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The problem is going to be when the 2 yr yield goes negative on its own, when the FFR is 0-0.25%. There is gonna have to be a decision for negative rates made, because a positive yield curve is necessary. My guess is fiscal/MMT with rate caps maintained by POMO. Keeping my eye on gold and value stocks for that time. If they choose to just go negative FFR for a positive sloping yield curve, then the status quo will continue to outperform (long duration/growth).
I don't see the necessity of a positive yield curve in the event of protracted negative rates. My intuitive notion is that the yield curve should naturally flatten approaching zero, then mirror itself about the x-axis as rates go negative. In other words, in a regime where rates are negative and expected to remain so indefinitely, you would rationally be willing to invest in a 30-yr at -1% over a 5-year at -.5% to avoid the reinvestment risk of having short term rates below -1% five years out.
In a brutal deflationary recession that could easily be possible considering we are that point right now with an inverted yield curve. No reason you couldn't have an inverted yield curve all at negative rates.
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Walkure wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:48 pm
I don't see the necessity of a positive yield curve in the event of protracted negative rates. My intuitive notion is that the yield curve should naturally flatten approaching zero, then mirror itself about the x-axis as rates go negative. In other words, in a regime where rates are negative and expected to remain so indefinitely, you would rationally be willing to invest in a 30-yr at -1% over a 5-year at -.5% to avoid the reinvestment risk of having short term rates below -1% five years out.
That doesn't seem right to me. Whether interest rates are positive or negative, longer duration bonds have higher risk, and therefore should be compensated by a higher interest rate.

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Post by robertmcd » Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:00 pm

DonIce wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:56 pm
Walkure wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:48 pm
I don't see the necessity of a positive yield curve in the event of protracted negative rates. My intuitive notion is that the yield curve should naturally flatten approaching zero, then mirror itself about the x-axis as rates go negative. In other words, in a regime where rates are negative and expected to remain so indefinitely, you would rationally be willing to invest in a 30-yr at -1% over a 5-year at -.5% to avoid the reinvestment risk of having short term rates below -1% five years out.
That doesn't seem right to me. Whether interest rates are positive or negative, longer duration bonds have higher risk, and therefore should be compensated by a higher interest rate.
Right now a 3 mo T bill yields more than a 10 yr treasury bond. So why couldn't a 3 mo T bill yield -.5% and the 10 yr -1.0%?

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robertmcd wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:00 pm
DonIce wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:56 pm
Walkure wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:48 pm
I don't see the necessity of a positive yield curve in the event of protracted negative rates. My intuitive notion is that the yield curve should naturally flatten approaching zero, then mirror itself about the x-axis as rates go negative. In other words, in a regime where rates are negative and expected to remain so indefinitely, you would rationally be willing to invest in a 30-yr at -1% over a 5-year at -.5% to avoid the reinvestment risk of having short term rates below -1% five years out.
That doesn't seem right to me. Whether interest rates are positive or negative, longer duration bonds have higher risk, and therefore should be compensated by a higher interest rate.
Right now a 3 mo T bill yields more than a 10 yr treasury bond. So why couldn't a 3 mo T bill yield -.5% and the 10 yr -1.0%?
It could, but a downward sloping yield curve would still likely be the exception rather than the norm.

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Post by oldzey » Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:41 pm

And back to the topic, U.S. stocks did indeed soar today...

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oldzey wrote:
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And back to the topic, U.S. stocks did indeed soar today...

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Post by Bluce » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:55 pm

My 30/70 PF was up .51% today -- reaching another all-time $ high.

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Get ready for the big one; this is the moment we have been waiting for. :sharebeer

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Post by goodenyou » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:57 am

Free Fall is quiet. Soar roars once more.

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Post by lostdog » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:27 am

Looks like a possible big soar today.
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Post by 2pedals » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:50 am

Rose-colored glasses are on early this morning.

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A trade deal or the biggest let down in recent history, either way it's going to be big.

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Soaring today!

S&P back to almost 3000. About 1% off all time high.
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Strong start to the earnings season! 🚀

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Post by Portfolio7 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:59 am

I can't think of a time ever when there was more fear about the market, yet more potential for it to explode upwards. I'm sure I'm wrong, someone chime in. Even so - after the usual caveats that things can go south, or meander, etc etc... should Brexit, Tariffs, and corporate profits all resolve to the upside in the next 6-9 months it could be a monster year.
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Portfolio7 wrote:
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I can't think of a time ever when there was more fear about the market, yet more potential for it to explode upwards. I'm sure I'm wrong, someone chime in. Even so - after the usual caveats that things can go south, or meander, etc etc... should Brexit, Tariffs, and corporate profits all resolve to the upside in the next 6-9 months it could be a monster year.
I agree that there is a lot of fear in the market, but there definitely seems to have been more fear back in 2008. I'm not sure if there is a lot of potential for substantial growth in the near future, although a good trade deal and a couple of other possible moves (which are not allowed on the forum) could do it.
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Bluce wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:32 pm
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:07 pm
Based on the conversation earlier:
But was the bread international or only domestic? :mrgreen:
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Disagree! French, Italian, Jewish, and Indian bread (among others) are all far superior to domestic Wonder-style bread. But then there is Sourdough (Invented in Europe, but now far more popular in the US) to consider...

I would propose a highly-diversified mix, with a significant International tilt to be the ideal allocation. Celiac sufferers should stay in cash.

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lazydavid wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:19 pm
Bluce wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:32 pm
UberGrub wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:07 pm
Based on the conversation earlier:
But was the bread international or only domestic? :mrgreen:
DOMESTIC!!! :sharebeer
Disagree! French, Italian, Jewish, and Indian bread (among others) are all far superior to domestic Wonder-style bread. But then there is Sourdough (Invented in Europe, but now far more popular in the US) to consider...

I would propose a highly-diversified mix, with a significant International tilt to be the ideal allocation. Celiac sufferers should stay in cash.
I grew up with a baker for a father -- we always had homemade rye bread on hand, or maybe Italian sometimes.

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Bluce wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:31 pm
lazydavid wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:19 pm
Bluce wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:32 pm
UberGrub wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:07 pm
Based on the conversation earlier:
But was the bread international or only domestic? :mrgreen:
DOMESTIC!!! :sharebeer
Disagree! French, Italian, Jewish, and Indian bread (among others) are all far superior to domestic Wonder-style bread. But then there is Sourdough (Invented in Europe, but now far more popular in the US) to consider...

I would propose a highly-diversified mix, with a significant International tilt to be the ideal allocation. Celiac sufferers should stay in cash.
I grew up with a baker for a father -- we always had homemade rye bread on hand, or maybe Italian sometimes.

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willthrill81 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:05 pm
Portfolio7 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:59 am
I can't think of a time ever when there was more fear about the market, yet more potential for it to explode upwards. I'm sure I'm wrong, someone chime in. Even so - after the usual caveats that things can go south, or meander, etc etc... should Brexit, Tariffs, and corporate profits all resolve to the upside in the next 6-9 months it could be a monster year.
I agree that there is a lot of fear in the market, but there definitely seems to have been more fear back in 2008. I'm not sure if there is a lot of potential for substantial growth in the near future, although a good trade deal and a couple of other possible moves (which are not allowed on the forum) could do it.
Good point, in the throes of a recession it's often true that fear is high and opportunity as well, and especially in late 2008 and through much of 2009. I think there are a few forms of bias in the way I phrased that.

To try to state it more directly: this market environment strikes me as relatively high fear, high opportunity, in a way that's less extreme, but not dissimilar to late and post-recession psychology. In any case, this being a thread about market optimism, it's always fun to see all the green return numbers.
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Portfolio7 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:59 am
I can't think of a time ever when there was more fear about the market, yet more potential for it to explode upwards. I'm sure I'm wrong, someone chime in. Even so - after the usual caveats that things can go south, or meander, etc etc... should Brexit, Tariffs, and corporate profits all resolve to the upside in the next 6-9 months it could be a monster year.
Agreed. Everyone is afraid of both missing out and losing their pants.

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Looks like it's diving rather than soaring... hmmmm.... :wink:
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U.S. Stock Market continues to do great.

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U.S. Stock Market continues to do great.

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Post by lostdog » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:48 pm

z3r0c00l wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:36 pm
Trader Joe wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:35 pm
U.S. Stock Market continues to do great.

2,995.68 +29.53 (1.00%)
Been over 3,000 a few times now, the key is to stay there!
It's been two years of sideways taunting since January 2018. Something will give, either up or down.
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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by stocknoob4111 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:32 am

lostdog wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:48 pm
It's been two years of sideways taunting since January 2018. Something will give, either up or down.
looking at the past it does look like a 24 month period of consolidation usually results in a breakout to the upside, especially since we had a nasty pullback last Dec. I don't think we would've maintained the same price level for so long just to go down drastically from this point... that would've already happened by now if it had to...many price levels below our current have already been supported by buyers.

Although plenty of forecasters calling for that 2100 on the SPX which is the bottom of the broadening top:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1O_svyiJBA

But he does SAY that it's a secular bull trend and after it corrects it will recover and break out up from the current highs...

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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by Stinky » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:04 am

S&P is up 0.5% in early day trading, to 3005 now.

Continuing to climb that "wall of worry". Maybe this time will be the "breakout" to new highs.
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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by retiringwhen » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:11 am

Stinky wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:04 am
S&P is up 0.5% in early day trading, to 3005 now.

Continuing to climb that "wall of worry". Maybe this time will be the "breakout" to new highs.
(from the free fall thread: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=80065&start=12200#p4784584)
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I think sticking strictly to the definitions that I've seen, we've had the following markets, going by the S&P500 Index:

6MAR2009 - 2MAY2011: Bull Market (From a low of 666.8 to a high of 1363.6) [104.5% gain]
3MAY2011 - 4OCT2011: Bear Market (From a high of 1363.6 to a low of 1074.8) [21.2% drop]
5OCT2011 - 21SEP2018: Bull Market (From a low of 1074.8 to a high of 2940.9) [173.6% gain]
24SEP2018 - 26DEC2018: Bear Market (From a high of 2940.9 to a low of 2346.6) [ 20.2% drop]
27DEC2018 - 26JUL2019: Bull Market (From a low of 2346.6 to a high of 3028.0) [29.0% gain]
27JUL2019 - Today: Unknown (If the markets reach new highs above 3028.0 that means we're still in a bull market, but if they hit a low of 2422.4 before they ever exceed 3028.0, that means we've been in a bear market since Jul 27)
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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by J G Bankerton » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:51 pm

lostdog wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:48 pm
It's been two years of sideways taunting since January 2018. Something will give, either up or down.
It may be sideways now but not always.
DonIce wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:51 pm
24SEP2018 - 26DEC2018: Bear Market (From a high of 2940.9 to a low of 2346.6) [ 20.2% drop]
My buys of December 27, 2018 are up 24.9%, not counting dividends. My US stock holdings are up about 20% over the last 22 months counting dividends. Buy the dips. :greedy

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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by oldzey » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:27 pm

ThereAreNoGurus wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:00 pm
Bluce wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:45 am
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Looks like it's diving rather than soaring... hmmmm.... :wink:
Up, up, and away!

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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by GoldenFinch » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:44 pm

oldzey wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:27 pm
ThereAreNoGurus wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:00 pm
Bluce wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:45 am
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Looks like it's diving rather than soaring... hmmmm.... :wink:
Up, up, and away!

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There is a bit of a problem with that second picture if you think about what happens next. At least in terms of this soaring thread anyways. :happy

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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by firebirdparts » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:35 pm

J G Bankerton wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:51 pm
My buys of December 27, 2018 are up 24.9%, not counting dividends. My US stock holdings are up about 20% over the last 22 months counting dividends. Buy the dips. :greedy
Good timing. I was afraid to post in the YTD thread. I am up way over 25% and I don't know how I did it, except losing lots of money in the fall of 2018 seems to have helped. The entire increase was between Christmas and July 25th.
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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by Bluce » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:19 pm

Bluce wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:55 pm
My 30/70 PF was up .51% today -- reaching another all-time $ high.
Did it again! :shock:

PF was up .14% today, pushing the $ value to another all-time high. :moneybag

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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by J G Bankerton » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:21 pm

firebirdparts wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:35 pm
J G Bankerton wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:51 pm
My buys of December 27, 2018 are up 24.9%, not counting dividends. My US stock holdings are up about 20% over the last 22 months counting dividends. Buy the dips. :greedy
Good timing.
I buy VTI every month, if VTI falls I buy more. I did get a wee bit concerned by Christmases of last year wondering when the knife was going to stop falling.

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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

Post by MJS » Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:18 am

GoldenFinch wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:44 pm

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There is a bit of a problem with that ... picture if you think about what happens next. At least in terms of this soaring thread anyways. :happy
You mean this thread gets loopy every once in a while?

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