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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by deltaneutral83 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:25 pm

azanon wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm
I see a lot of value tilted portfolios. I can't help but wonder what Dave Ramsey's morningstar box would look like with his "good growth stock" mutual funds; Growth, Aggressive Growth, Growth and Income, and International.
18 21 39
3 5 8
1 1 3

Obviously overweight toward large growth but I thought I was missing something because his total returned underweight small cap because it turns out his his "aggressive growth" (SMCWX) individually is:
1 3 11
7 12 33
8 6 20
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by azanon » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:29 pm

deltaneutral83 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:25 pm
azanon wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm
I see a lot of value tilted portfolios. I can't help but wonder what Dave Ramsey's morningstar box would look like with his "good growth stock" mutual funds; Growth, Aggressive Growth, Growth and Income, and International.
18 21 39
3 5 8
1 1 3

Obviously overweight toward large growth but I thought I was missing something because his total returned underweight small cap because it turns out his his "aggressive growth" individually is:
1 3 11
7 12 33
8 6 20
That's fascinating, ha! Thanks for taking the time to do that. Well - he's been killin' it lately, let's be honest.

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by rosylenm » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:21 am

24...23...22
09...09...09
01...01...02

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by ANC » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:22 am

Large.......15......22.......38
Medium.....3.......6.........8
Small...... .2.......3.........4

A tilt towards growth.

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by Longtermgrowth » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:42 am

deltaneutral83 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:46 pm
If I want to capture as much of the small cap value experience as possible, I take it I need to be more geared toward IJS (iShares 600Value) or VIOV (vanguard's 600 value ) rather than VBR?
RZV, Guggenheim S&P SmallCap 600® PureVal ETF, would be the extreme way to go for that. Paul Merriman explains in one of his recent podcasts, that the only reason they changed their recommendation from RZV to another small value ETF, is because RZV was more volatile, and they were worried about investors staying the course...

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by nisiprius » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:04 am

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But I suspect this thread isn't very useful, because I suspect that it will mostly attract people who are aware of their Morningstar box style, because they've made some conscious decision about what style they want... i.e. are intentionally tilting.
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by JoMoney » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:25 am

94% this

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6% this (... but moving to about 10% this by next year)

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by Doc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:50 am

pezblanco wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:07 pm
deltaneutral83 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:46 pm
Doc wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 am
VBR Vg Small Cap Value" market cap 3,650 Mil

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14	15	8
32	26	5
If I want to capture as much of the small cap value experience as possible, I take it I need to be more geared toward IJS (iShares 600Value) or VIOV (vanguard's 600 value ) rather than VBR?
According to Portfolio Vizualizer and looking at the factor loadings, the other two are smaller and more valuey ..... for what its worth.

VBR has size factor loading of .47 and value loading of .32
IJS ......................... .74 ......................... .49
VIOV ......................... .78 ......................... .46
They both follow the same index. Don't know why the loading difference. Randomness maybe? VIOV trading volume low. VBR less tax efficient.
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by pezblanco » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:25 am

Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:50 am
pezblanco wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:07 pm
deltaneutral83 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:46 pm
Doc wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 am
VBR Vg Small Cap Value" market cap 3,650 Mil

Code: Select all

 0	 0	0
14	15	8
32	26	5
If I want to capture as much of the small cap value experience as possible, I take it I need to be more geared toward IJS (iShares 600Value) or VIOV (vanguard's 600 value ) rather than VBR?
According to Portfolio Vizualizer and looking at the factor loadings, the other two are smaller and more valuey ..... for what its worth.

VBR has size factor loading of .47 and value loading of .32
IJS ......................... .74 ......................... .49
VIOV ......................... .78 ......................... .46
They both follow the same index. Don't know why the loading difference. Randomness maybe? VIOV trading volume low. VBR less tax efficient.
Doc, I'm not sure but I think IJS and VIOV follow the same index which makes sense given their factor loadings (is that what you said?). VBR follows another index I think. The factor loads I gave were based on just 3 years of data ..... I too have noticed that factor loads tend to bounce around an awful lot and have to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by Doc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:08 am

pezblanco wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:25 am
Doc, I'm not sure but I think IJS and VIOV follow the same index which makes sense given their factor loadings (is that what you said?). VBR follows another index I think. The factor loads I gave were based on just 3 years of data ..... I too have noticed that factor loads tend to bounce around an awful lot and have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Right, IJS and VIOV use the S&P 600 and VBR currently the CRSP US Small Cap Value but who knows what the latter will use next year.
Vanguard wrote: *S&P SmallCap 600 Value Index (formerly known as the S&P SmallCap 600/Barra Value Index) through May 16, 2003; MSCI US Small Cap Value Index through April 16, 2013; CRSP US Small Cap Value Index thereafter.
Morningstar wrote:Has this fund gone from one extreme to another?

Vanguard Small Cap Value Index successfully made the jump from its old S&P Small Cap 600/Barra Value Index to the newly minted MSCI U.S. Small Cap Value Index in May 2003.

The change wasn't unwelcome. The S&P index's methodology--which relied on a stock's price/book multiple to define value--was out of step with most active managers who consider a multitude of factors in gauging value. The S&P index's simplistic approach gave rise to some curious results.
http://srt.morningstar.com/analyst/fund ... cId=470888
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by WoodSpinner » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:45 pm

All,



Here is mine ....



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This corresponds to my current 2018 Asset Allocation of:

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Roughly a 53% Stock/42% Bond/5% Cash Allocation



I was surprised a bit at the Credit Quality, Average Duration, Average Maturity between Vanguard Total Bond Market (BND) and Vanguard Intermediate Bond Market (BIV). Back-testing with Portfolio Visualizer doesn't show much of an impact in 2008-09. Just surprised BND has a shorter Average Duration and a better Credit Quality than BIV. Of course BIV is producing an overall better return.



Given that this represents 32% of my Portfolio I am starting to wonder about my decision to go BIV vs. BND.



Thoughts or suggestions are welcome ...



WoodSpinner 8-)
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by walletless » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 pm

Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:08 am
IJS and VIOV use the S&P 600 and VBR currently the CRSP US Small Cap Value but who knows what the latter will use next year.
Why do you think vbr may change what it follows next year?

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by John Z » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:01 pm

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by Doc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:05 pm

walletless wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 pm
Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:08 am
IJS and VIOV use the S&P 600 and VBR currently the CRSP US Small Cap Value but who knows what the latter will use next year.
Why do you think vbr may change what it follows next year?
Vanguard has the habit of changing the index of their funds every few years. They just changed the index for three of their bond index funds in December. I have no idea if VBR is due for a change in the next 12 months. One would hope not but who knows.
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by walletless » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:05 pm

John Z wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:01 pm
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Curious, What is you Bonds composition?

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by walletless » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:06 pm

Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:05 pm
walletless wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 pm
Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:08 am
IJS and VIOV use the S&P 600 and VBR currently the CRSP US Small Cap Value but who knows what the latter will use next year.
Why do you think vbr may change what it follows next year?
Vanguard has the habit of changing the index of their funds every few years. They just changed the index for three of their bond index funds in December. I have no idea if VBR is due for a change in the next 12 months. One would hope not but who knows.
Thanks for that context. Don't they need shareholders vote to make such changes? I know they asked for a similar vote to change VNQ in last cycle.

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by Doc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:16 pm

walletless wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:06 pm
Don't they need shareholders vote to make such changes?
We owned two of the three funds that they changed in December and they didn't ask us. I think the answer is no.
Vanguard wrote: The fund reserves the right to substitute a different index for the index it currently tracks if the current index is discontinued, if the fund’s agreement with the sponsor of its target index is terminated, or for any other reason determined in good faith by the fund’s board of trustees.
And that's from the "Investment strategy" of the Vanguard 500 Index Fund Admiral Shares (VFIAX)
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by John Z » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:31 pm

walletless wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:05 pm
John Z wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:01 pm
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Curious, What is you Bonds composition?
VG Total Bond Market Index Admiral.

Correction: Just remembered: Wife has some Wellesley in IRA so the box does not show pure Total Bond.
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by Hukedonfonix4me » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:59 pm

Currently:

21...21...21
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

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M 12 10 04
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by oldzey » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:35 pm

Doc wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:45 am
Be award of Morningstar's data presentation differences between equities and bonds. Equities show the weights in each of the six boxes but for bonds it is only the fund average.



Here is a M* Xray for ~equal parts Vg TBM and TSM.



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(Edited to fix typos.)
This is exactly what mine looks like.
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by randomizer » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:43 am

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Take it with a large grain of salt though, because there are a couple of tickers I couldn't find, accounting for about 8% of the portfolio.

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by bhjjk19 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:45 pm

Stocks:

22...22...23
06...07...08
04...04...04

Bonds:

00...26...00
24...50...00
00...00...00

1.2m 60/40... age 64 last week
I'm hopeful this looks somewhat BH reasonable

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by aegis965 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:51 am

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by walletless » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:53 am

aegis965 wrote:
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#FakeNews

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Post by aegis965 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:58 am

walletless wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:53 am
aegis965 wrote:
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#FakeNews
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by Longtermgrowth » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 am

walletless wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:53 am
aegis965 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:51 am
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Haha... Nah, look at the sig! I remember a post some time back about selecting stocks within small value category that we only wish funds were available for...

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by KATNYC » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:12 pm

pezblanco wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:07 pm
deltaneutral83 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:46 pm
Doc wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 am
VBR Vg Small Cap Value" market cap 3,650 Mil

Code: Select all

 0	 0	0
14	15	8
32	26	5
If I want to capture as much of the small cap value experience as possible, I take it I need to be more geared toward IJS (iShares 600Value) or VIOV (vanguard's 600 value ) rather than VBR?
According to Portfolio Vizualizer and looking at the factor loadings, the other two are smaller and more valuey ..... for what its worth.

VBR has size factor loading of .47 and value loading of .32
IJS ......................... .74 ......................... .49
VIOV ......................... .78 ......................... .46
I'm pretty sure I got the idea for VIOV from bogleheads since it is more SCV than VBR although we do currently own VBR/VISVX in a ROTH.

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by SpringMan » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:24 am

In retirement since 2004.

39% Stocks (28% international, 72% domestic)
21 20 24
8 9 9
3 3 2

61% Bonds (primarily domestic VBTLX, with some emerging markets, VEGBX, and some PIMIX, PIMCO Income)
0 35 0
0 22 0
12 0 0
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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by linenfort » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:32 am

nisiprius wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:04 am
But I suspect this thread isn't very useful,
I agree. It's another where people are more likely to post than read.



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Is it too early for an all-bond-portfolio thread?

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

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Re: Post Your Morningstar Box Style

Post by KATNYC » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:31 pm

I set up test portfolios to see the style box for:



3 Fund portfolio

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4 fund portfolio

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