2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby NORDO » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:43 pm

BrandonBogle wrote:
Mel Lindauer wrote:Two lessons learned:
1. email and forum post will go at the same time next year, and
2. Never again announce an exact date.

Best Regards,

Mel


Respectfully, I think #1 doesn't need to happen (though your prerogative - this isn't a vote). #2 is a valuable lesson. Many seemed to take that date and put it on their calendar and not watch until then.


For whatever it's worth...

I've marked my calendar the past couple years - and despite the reminders, I always checked the forum after the registration cutoff and missed out. This year, I still marked the calendar (first for mid-Feb, then for Apr 5th per the prior forum posts about a later announcement) but started checking daily well in advance.

I was able to register* this time.

So, speaking from experience and having been on the short end of the stick in the past, consider all dates rough and check frequently if you want to attend.


And yes, a hearty thanks to all who have organized this event for so long and continue to do so. I've been a loyal Boghelead for at least 5 years now and am extremely excited and grateful to finally have a chance to attend the conference.


*still waiting for official confirmation after my check is received!

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby rjbraun » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:26 am

Three cheers for Mel and the rest of the team for all that they do for the Bogleheads! :D

A big thank you to you all :beer

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby willie838 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:30 am

Darn.... Missed announcement and sign up. :oops:

Was hoping to make it to my first BH conference.

Add me to the miracle list - as I'm sure many Bogle head members won't be prompt with paperwork and payments Lol :D

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People looking for activities around the conference should look into seeing if Eastern State Penitentiary is running their Halloween event around this time. It's a fun night and surprisingly intense. During the day it's a great way to spend an afternoon in the original prison in the United States. History fans will enjoy the day, those with strong hearts will enjoy the night show.

Cheers.

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby brightside » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:34 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
brightside wrote:Hi Everyone,
I'm one of the newbies who surreptitiously saw the announcement. I actually just joined last Thursday, saw the post Sunday, registered, and sent my check Monday (I'm usually not that quick). Hoping the check arrives in the USPS's allotted "2-7 days" I've been checking my account all week to see if it's cleared.

I'm very excited (more so when I have the confirmation email), headquarters are actually 6 miles from where I grew up.

Anyway, I just wanted to say hello and I look forward lots of learning in my quest to Be a Better Boglehead.

Retirement for me is not far off, I hope....
b


Welcome to the Forum, brightside!

What a wonderful case of beginner's luck! Enjoy the Forum, the Conference, and your journey to financial independence and retirement.

Victoria


Thank you Victoria, I've been enjoying the forum for awhile now and I hope the journey takes me to the Class of 2018 (or sooner)
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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby Utahdogowner » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:40 pm

I'd like a spot x2 on the waitlist.
Thanks,
Utahdogowner.

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby mind_boggled » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:20 pm

Peculiar_Investor wrote:As someone who has previously attended and appreciates the advanced email, can I offer another suggestion that I think addresses the issues that occurred this year. For those that have previously attended and might want to come as a group, i.e. some pesky Canadians, this allows some co-ordination once the dates are actually known.

I'd therefore suggest:
  • Continue to announce on the forum the date when registration will open so newcomers know when the registration window opens.
  • Continue to send out the advanced email notice, but cap the registrations at some percentage of capacity, say 66% or 75% or ??, so that it cannot sell out in advance.
In somewhat true Bogleheads spirit, given the distances and costs involved, I'm more likely to attend when Canadian Thanksgiving and the BH Conference dates line-up, as I can combine an annual Canadian Thanksgiving trip to the family cottage with the BH Conference. When there is a week's separation between the two, costs matter and you can probably guess the rest.


I agree the e-mail notice but with a cap is another great solution. Continue doing everything as is (alumni pre-sale, date pre-announcement on forum) but simply have a cap on alumni pre-sale slots. ie 100 pre-sale slots for alumni and thereafter you just have to compete with the general public for the rest.

Also good is just date pre-announcement on forum and let everyone have their best shot on the same day.

Either way I think the pre-announced date should stay. It saves hundreds of people many hours of anxiety and constant checking for several weeks yearly. The net benefit is huge and completely asymmetrical to the tiny amount of effort to make such a pre-announcement post. We all know how mentally draining it is to watch stocks actively and watching for a mystery announcement post feels just as interruptive to my mind the entire month or two until it comes. Research shows this kind of constant checking (whether it be email, social media, phones, etc) is detrimental to attention and overall mental wellbeing (see my links to research below). You can see for yourself the stress it causes is palpable in the responses in every year's announcement related threads (I can already feel stress rising right now thinking of next year which is probably what compelled me to write this) and I don't know any other conference that does it this way. I know the pre-announcement left a bad taste in the organizer's experience this year but please re-consider abandoning it because 1) it was the separate alumni pre-sale that was the actual culprit for the mixup and is solved with either of the above solutions and thus shouldn't add to your stress levels in the future and 2) the broader benefits to a great number of people's attention/stress level I've listed above and below. A pre-announcement of the date seems like a clear win-win.

http://time.com/4274201/uncertainty-stress/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/stres ... -1.2861722
http://globalnews.ca/news/2601572/frequ ... ion-study/

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby treypar » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:38 pm

Fortunately I was able to register. This will be my first time attending the conference. I am looking forward to being there and meeting all of my fellow Bogleheads and the experts. I want to express my thanks to Mel and all of the volunteers involved in working on this conference.

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Postby Bylo Selhi » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:48 pm

Peculiar_Investor wrote:As someone who has previously attended and appreciates the advanced email, can I offer another suggestion that I think addresses the issues that occurred this year. For those that have previously attended and might want to come as a group, i.e. some pesky Canadians, this allows some co-ordination once the dates are actually known... I'm more likely to attend when Canadian Thanksgiving and the BH Conference dates line-up, as I can combine an annual Canadian Thanksgiving trip to the family cottage with the BH Conference. When there is a week's separation between the two, costs matter and you can probably guess the rest.

Ditto. I'm another one of those "pesky Canadians" who's attended in the past when the BHC was held during the same week as Canadian Thanksgiving (aka Columbus Day in the US.) In my case it was because I'm usually in PA that weekend so it's easy to extend my travel by a few days for BHC. I'm just saying. I certainly don't expect BHC coordinators to rearrange dates so they work out for me. I appreciate that they have more important considerations. I'm very grateful for all the work they've done to make BHC such a success year after year. Thank you. But I will have to miss y'all again this year.

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby Mel Lindauer » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:19 pm

Bylo Selhi wrote:
Peculiar_Investor wrote:As someone who has previously attended and appreciates the advanced email, can I offer another suggestion that I think addresses the issues that occurred this year. For those that have previously attended and might want to come as a group, i.e. some pesky Canadians, this allows some co-ordination once the dates are actually known... I'm more likely to attend when Canadian Thanksgiving and the BH Conference dates line-up, as I can combine an annual Canadian Thanksgiving trip to the family cottage with the BH Conference. When there is a week's separation between the two, costs matter and you can probably guess the rest.

Ditto. I'm another one of those "pesky Canadians" who's attended in the past when the BHC was held during the same week as Canadian Thanksgiving (aka Columbus Day in the US.) In my case it was because I'm usually in PA that weekend so it's easy to extend my travel by a few days for BHC. I'm just saying. I certainly don't expect BHC coordinators to rearrange dates so they work out for me. I appreciate that they have more important considerations. I'm very grateful for all the work they've done to make BHC such a success year after year. Thank you. But I will have to miss y'all again this year.


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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby Carolyn1218 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:59 am

Please add me to the wait list.

Also, I'm curious - what is the planned attendance? With so many people on the wait list year after year, what is preventing the group from making the conference larger? I've never attended, so I don't know if there is a reason why so many would-be attendees are left out in the cold.

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Postby traveltoomuch » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:23 pm

Carolyn1218 wrote:With so many people on the wait list year after year, what is preventing the group from making the conference larger?

Since no one with direct knowledge is answering, I'll guess: unwillingness to switch venues and unwillingness to switch to theater seating (v. banquet seating). They appeared to be using the largest of the spaces available at the 2016 venue and filling it to capacity. Edited to add: there might have been one small ballroom segment closed off with an airwall, but the existing space was already too long for its width which left the back of the room very far from the stage, so opening that section (if it was not open before) is probably a bad idea.

On the whole, the 2016 venue was lovely. Aside from the dimensions, the space was pleasant enough, the F&B was good, the logistics for the off-site trip were reasonable, and the contracted room rates were decent. Given the pains of moving to a new venue, I can understand not wanting to switch venues.

I normally expect that switching from 60/66" rounds to a theater layout almost doubles the capacity of a space, but this venue's planning guide only provides for a modest increase in capacity, so maybe there wouldn't be much to gain from that switch. Switching layouts would also create a problem of where to eat - the group was fed several meals at the venue, and it used the main meeting room as eating space.
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Postby GCinNC » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:16 pm

Please add 2 to the wait list. Thank you.

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Postby OZAR » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:29 pm

+1 add to list

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Postby diverski » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:18 pm

please add me to the waitlist

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Postby Mountebank » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:41 pm

Please add me to the wait list.

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Postby CedarWaxWing » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:25 pm

Please put me on the waiting list..

thank you.

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Postby SR II » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:45 pm

Carolyn1218 wrote:Please add me to the wait list.

Also, I'm curious - what is the planned attendance? With so many people on the wait list year after year, what is preventing the group from making the conference larger? I've never attended, so I don't know if there is a reason why so many would-be attendees are left out in the cold.

Check out Mel's April 3 reply to the same question.

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Postby LazyNihilist » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:31 pm

Mel Lindauer wrote:
Two lessons learned:
1. email and forum post will go at the same time next year, and
2. Never again announce an exact date.

Best Regards,

Mel


This is a difficult problem and a right balance has to be struck. As the forum grows more popular there will be more disappointed people in the coming years.

Arranging live video streaming would be great.

Thanks and all the best to the organizers and attendees.
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Postby rick2427 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:57 am

Mel and everyone in the Conference organizing committee, thanks for all the hard work you put in to planning the Conference details.

Received the invitation to send in the payment and have mailed it April 12th.....waiting for the confirmation.
Been lurking on this forum for the past year, hoping to retire this summer... so feel really lucky to get a chance to attend the Conference. :happy
Look forward to learning a lot from all!

Best Regards,
Rick

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Postby mike_SF » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:37 am

Wow ... traveling for a few weeks ... and missed the opportunity to sign up for my first BH conference.

Well, Mel I would LOVE to be added to the waitlist.

Thanks so much and hope to clear from it!

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Postby Annabelle » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:20 pm

I too would very much appreciate being put on the waitlist.

Thank you!

Annabelle

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Postby remomnyc » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:24 pm

Waitlist, please!

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Postby upsidedownfarm » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:38 am

Please add me to the wait list. Thanks.

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Postby WolfgangPauli » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:19 am

Please add me to the waitlist. I will IMMEDIATELY transfer money to hold my spot :)
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Postby crspelln » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:12 am

Several people and I have requested to be on the wait list. Is there a way to see my spot on the list?

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby natureexplorer » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:20 am

How about having the conference somewhere else for a change? Or finding a cheaper venue?

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Postby BrandonBogle » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:40 am

natureexplorer wrote:How about having the conference somewhere else for a change?


To help facilitate Jack Bogle being at the conference, it has been around Philadelphia for the past couple years so he doesn't have to concern himself with traveling. I absolutely loved meeting Jack two years ago and make a whole week out of it, being a tourist in Philly. It is unlikely to move at any time soon.

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Postby Mel Lindauer » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:59 am

BrandonBogle wrote:
natureexplorer wrote:How about having the conference somewhere else for a change?


To help facilitate Jack Bogle being at the conference, it has been around Philadelphia for the past couple years so he doesn't have to concern himself with traveling. I absolutely loved meeting Jack two years ago and make a whole week out of it, being a tourist in Philly. It is unlikely to move at any time soon.


BrandonBogle is correct. We used to move it around the country, but with Jack's health issues, we've kept it in Philly so he doesn't have to deal with the stress of traveling.

FYI, past conferences have been held in Miami, Chicago, Philly, Denver, Las Vegas, DC, San Diego and Dallas/Ft. Worth.
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Postby Lieutenant.Columbo » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:37 pm

In case this hasn't been suggested:

can/will/why not streaming the conference online fir those who cannot attend in person?
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Postby denalta » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:19 pm

Please add me to the wait list

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Re: 2017 BOGLEHEADS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby Dottie57 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:48 pm

I am so excited! Some poor BogleHead pulled out, and I get to go! So for the person who pulled out, hope you get to go next year.

Off to mail my check.


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