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Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Longtermgrowth » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:46 pm

Those here that tilt to domestic and/or international value rather large, mid or small caps: Please list the funds you currently use for your value tilt.

Example desired reply format listing tickers used, rather called a value fund or simply falling in the category based on the morningstar style box:

Domestic small: VBR, DES

Domestic large: VTV, VYM

International large: EFV, VYMI

International small: DLS

Emerging: DGS

Thanks!

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by sperry8 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:50 pm

Longtermgrowth wrote:Those here that tilt to domestic and/or international value rather large, mid or small caps: Please list the funds you currently use for your value tilt.

Example desired reply format listing tickers used, rather called a value fund or simply falling in the category based on the morningstar style box:

Domestic small: VBR, DES

Domestic large: VTV, VYM

International large: EFV, VYMI

International small: DLS

Emerging: DGS

Thanks!
Domestic small: VBR

Domestic mid: VOE

Domestic large: VTV

International large: FNDF

International small: PDN, FNDC
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by siamond » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:53 pm

US Mid Value: VMVAX
US Small Value: VSIAX
Int'l Small: VFSVX
Emerging: VWO

(edited to add Emerging, didn't notice the OP was asking for it too)
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Random Walker » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:08 pm

I'm mostly taxable and use the DFA tax managed and tax advantaged value funds as well as their core funds. The only asset class where the value fund is not tax Managed is their International small value fund.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by livesoft » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:09 pm

As of today:
VBR
IJS
DGS

That's it.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by ruralavalon » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:17 pm

Vanguard Small-cap Value Index Fund Admiral Shares (VSIAX). That's it.

No international tilts.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Theoretical » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:29 pm

Longtermgrowth wrote:Those here that tilt to domestic and/or international value rather large, mid or small caps: Please list the funds you currently use for your value tilt.

Example desired reply format listing tickers used, rather called a value fund or simply falling in the category based on the morningstar style box:

Domestic small: VBR, DES

Domestic large: VTV, VYM

International large: EFV, VYMI

International small: DLS

Emerging: DGS

Thanks!

Domestic small: IJS and FNDA 40/60. Would use PRFZ, VBR, QSMLX, and maybe SMLF (if it gets enough AUM).

Domestic large: PRF. Would also use FNDB or Vanguard US Value (VUVLX),

International large: None currently. It's not really part of my asset allocation

International small: DLS and FNDC. Would also use PDN.

Emerging: FNDE and DGS in a 50/50. Would also use PXH, EEMS, and maybe TLTE.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Elbowman » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:47 pm

VBR.

Have a relatively simple five fund portfolio, and VBR is my one nod to factors.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Johnnie » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:13 pm

International
LCV: VTRIX
SCV: DLS

EM: SCHE (Schwab, in a Roth)

Domestic
LCV: VVIAX
SCV: VSIAX

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by jhfenton » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:48 pm

US SCV: VSIAX
US MCV: VMVAX

I might not own MCV, but my 401(k) has VMVAX, but no small-cap value.

That's it for explicit value funds. Everything else is blend:

US LCB: VFIAX
ILB: VTMGX
ISB: VSS/VFSVX
IEMB: VWO/VEMAX

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by avalpert » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:59 pm

Currently I use:

US Small: IJS, DFSVX
US Mid: VOE
US Large: VVIAX

Developed: EFV, DFIVX

Global Blend: DGEIX

At times I have held VBR/VSIAX, DLS, DGS, SCZ

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by baw703916 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:27 pm

RZV
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VOE
DLS
DGS
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by aegis965 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:44 pm

Developed Value: VVAL (VVAL is roughly 60% US, 40% ex-US developed; 45% LCV, 30% MCV, 25% SCV.)
Emerging Value: PSRM (UCITS version of PXH.)
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Portfolio7 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:00 am

Small Cap Value - * Vanguard
Mid-Cap Value - VASVX
Large-Cap Value - * Vanguard
Emerging Mkt Val - DFEVX

* It's a proprietary unitized fund though employer 401K, run by Vanguard. Returns don't tie to any specific Vanguard funds that I see.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by whodidntante » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:09 am

Domestic: IJS, VBR, IUSV
Developed: EFV
Emerging: DFEVX, TLTE

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by fundseeker » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:20 am

You know, for this thread and almost every other thread, it would be so much more user friendly and helpful if people would include the names of their funds. Some of you may have memorized every symbol known to man, but most of us haven't. Would it be so hard to include the names with your symbols?

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by livesoft » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:28 am

If we mentioned fund names, then it wouldn't be like sitting around the club house talking. You know: bogie, eagle, birdie, par, 3-iron, putter, wedge, …. Who knows what any of those ticker symbols mean anyways?

A glossary of a sort: http://www.altruistfa.com/dfavanguard.htm and example from there:
http://www.altruistfa.com/USlargecapvaluefunds.htm
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by sperry8 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:49 am

fundseeker wrote:You know, for this thread and almost every other thread, it would be so much more user friendly and helpful if people would include the names of their funds. Some of you may have memorized every symbol known to man, but most of us haven't. Would it be so hard to include the names with your symbols?
The OP solely requested fund tickers. All we did was read and respond accordingly. :beer
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Tom1320 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:05 am

U.S. SCV. VSIAX
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by dkturner » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:11 am

For U.S. Equity VEIRX and VWIAX. No value tilts for international equity.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by ruralavalon » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:09 am

fundseeker wrote:You know, for this thread and almost every other thread, it would be so much more user friendly and helpful if people would include the names of their funds. Some of you may have memorized every symbol known to man, but most of us haven't. Would it be so hard to include the names with your symbols?
All those tickers give me a headache.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by S&L1940 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:17 am

ruralavalon wrote:
fundseeker wrote:You know, for this thread and almost every other thread, it would be so much more user friendly and helpful if people would include the names of their funds. Some of you may have memorized every symbol known to man, but most of us haven't. Would it be so hard to include the names with your symbols?
All those tickers give me a headache.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Ketawa » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:49 am

Domestic small: QSMLX

International large: QICLX

Emerging: QEELX

Other: QSPIX

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by caklim00 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:04 pm

US: VBR, DFFVX, RZV, VIOV
Dev: FNDC, SFILX
EM: DGS, DFEVX

I've been lamenting for years the lack of good options in the international space. I swapped out of DLS for FNDC a couple of years ago. I treat all of the category funds interchangeably although I know DGS and DFEVX are quite different. Not contributing to RZV any more but just holding the fund since I have some large gains.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Longtermgrowth » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:03 pm

S&L1940 wrote:
ruralavalon wrote:
fundseeker wrote:You know, for this thread and almost every other thread, it would be so much more user friendly and helpful if people would include the names of their funds. Some of you may have memorized every symbol known to man, but most of us haven't. Would it be so hard to include the names with your symbols?
All those tickers give me a headache.
:thumbsup ydlgh, wkdbs
I apologize for any confusion due to the way I requested fund information. I must derive too much joy in researching the tickers in this category that I don't already recognize. One can find out much more about the fund simply searching the ticker on google or morningstar faster than typing the fund name.
My line of thinking was if replies were somewhat like the example format, it would give enough of a clue to those interested rather or not they want to research it.

I see some interesting tickers already :mrgreen:

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Longtermgrowth » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:57 pm

caklim00 wrote:US: VBR, DFFVX, RZV, VIOV
Dev: FNDC, SFILX
EM: DGS, DFEVX

I've been lamenting for years the lack of good options in the international space. I swapped out of DLS for FNDC a couple of years ago. I treat all of the category funds interchangeably although I know DGS and DFEVX are quite different. Not contributing to RZV any more but just holding the fund since I have some large gains.

I wonder if the ER of DLS was, say, 20 basis points lower, if more would use it instead of opting for the more neutral VSS like so many seem to use on this forum. That would bring the ER of it close to their domestic small cap fund, DES. I would probably have to start another thread titled "Does anyone here at all use DES for domestic small cap value?" to catch the few here that might use DES :D I just like where they're at on the morningstar style grid compared to DFA.

The other thing I wonder is if those that look at EFV and don't want to pay 0.4% ER, might start using VYMI thinking it will give them similar exposure but with Vanguard's ever lowering ERs.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Longtermgrowth » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:38 pm

whodidntante wrote:Domestic: IJS, VBR, IUSV
Developed: EFV
Emerging: DFEVX, TLTE

I see that IUSV changed its benchmark to the S&P 900 value index on 1-23-17. Had to look twice at it's ER, 0.05% isn't bad. I wonder if part of the reason for the benchmark index change was to support a lower ER?

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by grap0013 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:48 pm

VSIAX, QSMLX

SFILX

SFENX, QEELX, DGS

QSPIX
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by boglerdude » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:54 am

Considering RAFI emerging markets (PXH) and international small (FNDC)

what happens if RAFI falls out of favor and the ETFs are worth less than the underlying stocks?

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by in_reality » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:36 am

boglerdude wrote:Considering RAFI emerging markets (PXH) and international small (FNDC)

what happens if RAFI falls out of favor and the ETFs are worth less than the underlying stocks?
At some point, I believe a market maker would step in and buy the ETF share you are trying to sell, break it up into it's individual holdings and sell them. This is the same as for any ETF when the ETF shares are either to abundant or insufficient.

FNDX - US large
VOE -US midcap
FNDA - US small

FNDF - Dev Intl large
FNDC -Dev Intl small

FNDE - Emerging large
DGS - Emerging small
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by grap0013 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:41 am

Is there a thread for TLTE somewhere?

This fund looks pretty interesting for a one-stop EM value fund. It's like a mid cap value fund similar to DFEVX. Low turnover with 2000+ holdings. Would be easier to manage rather than an equal parts strategy of SFENX:QEELX:DGS:EEMS.

Does anybody know much about TLTE?

Thanks!
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by pauliec84 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:53 am

grap0013 wrote:Does anybody know much about TLTE?
Thanks!
I thought about TLTE. Given the lack of emerging market factor data, I think the best way to get at what factor exposures of a fund are is to look at equivelent US (or developed funds).

For TLTE there is a US version TILT, for which we have data going back to 2011; and a international domestic version with data going back to

Analyzing both funds since inception (and comparing against existing ETF options) show that they don't achieve any meaningful load. For the US fund I get similar results if I use daily data and just the past year.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by hilink73 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:08 pm

grap0013 wrote:Is there a thread for TLTE somewhere?

This fund looks pretty interesting for a one-stop EM value fund. It's like a mid cap value fund similar to DFEVX. Low turnover with 2000+ holdings. Would be easier to manage rather than an equal parts strategy of SFENX:QEELX:DGS:EEMS.

Does anybody know much about TLTE?

Thanks!
Having the same question.

I'm looking to decide between the following ETFs (because i cannot by mutual funds as a non resident alien):

US
IJS ishares S&P Small-Cap 600 Value

Intl.
FNDC Schwab Fundamental Intl Sm Co ETF
PDN PowerShares FTSE RAFI DvMkt exUS S/M ETF
DLS WisdomTree International SmallCp Div ETF

EM
FNDE Schwab Fundamental Emerg Mkts Lg Co ETF
PXH PowerShares FTSE RAFI Emerging Mkts ETF
DGS WisdomTree Emerging Markets SmCp Div ETF
TLTE FlexShares Mstar EmgMkts FctTilt ETF

I'd probably skip on the WT funds, as they are dividends weighted only. The fundamental method seems to be a better method for value.
Is that true?

In Europe, we also have the following two, but I'm not sure how valuey the MSCI method is.
From what I understand, they take MSCI Small USA/Europe and then weight by value. Is this any good?
- SPDR MSCI USA Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF
- SPDR MSCI Europe Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF
https://de.spdrs.com/en/professional/et ... tf-ZPRV-GY
https://de.spdrs.com/en/professional/et ... tf-ZPRX-GY
No Pacific region with these, unfortunately.

Maybe we should create a definite Small-Value/Value thread?
Information and questions regarding these funds are in several threads across the board!

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by grabiner » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:35 pm

I hold Vanguard Value Index and Small-Cap Value Index in my Roth IRA, and Guggenheim S&P 600 Pure Value (RZV) in my HSA. I don't tilt my international to value because there is no value fund or ETF that I believe to be worth the cost and extra taxes, compared to my Developed Markets ETF and Emerging Markets Index.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by pascalwager » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:49 pm

Large : DFLVX
Small/Mid: DFFVX
Int'l Large: DFHBX

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by TinkerPDX » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:06 am

US large value: SCHV, VTV
US mid value: VOE
US small value: VBR
ex-US large value: VTRIX, FNDF
ex-US small value: FNDC
emerging value: FNDE

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by heartwood » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:17 am

Thank you to those who included fund names as well as the requested tickers. For me, this might have been an interesting thread, but I have no interest or wish to spend the time in decoding the funds. YMMV

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by whodidntante » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:29 am

grap0013 wrote:Is there a thread for TLTE somewhere?

This fund looks pretty interesting for a one-stop EM value fund. It's like a mid cap value fund similar to DFEVX. Low turnover with 2000+ holdings. Would be easier to manage rather than an equal parts strategy of SFENX:QEELX:DGS:EEMS.

Does anybody know much about TLTE?

Thanks!
I've recommended TLTE a couple of times on the forum. My recommendation normally falls flat. It's a good option if you don't have access to DFEVX. I do own DFEVX in my 401k but have a little TLTE in taxable.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by whodidntante » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:34 am

Longtermgrowth wrote:
whodidntante wrote:Domestic: IJS, VBR, IUSV
Developed: EFV
Emerging: DFEVX, TLTE

I see that IUSV changed its benchmark to the S&P 900 value index on 1-23-17. Had to look twice at it's ER, 0.05% isn't bad. I wonder if part of the reason for the benchmark index change was to support a lower ER?
I owned IUSV back when it was an all cap fund. It was cheap then too. It's part of the core lineup from iShares, designed to compete on cost. I'm personally happy about the change in index but I own plenty of SCV to compliment it.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by ClosetIndexer » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:04 am

Domestic small: SLYV
Domestic large: VTV
Foreign small: FNDC
Foreign large: FNDF

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by beardsworth » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:49 am

heartwood wrote:Thank you to those who included fund names as well as the requested tickers. For me, this might have been an interesting thread, but I have no interest or wish to spend the time in decoding the funds. YMMV
Agreed. And here's a previous thread on "What happens when you speak in TICKER language."

viewtopic.php?t=193665

I realize that the OP here referred to listing tickers, but that doesn't make this thread easily useful. Or considerate.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by sperry8 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:06 am

hilink73 wrote:
grap0013 wrote:Is there a thread for TLTE somewhere?

This fund looks pretty interesting for a one-stop EM value fund. It's like a mid cap value fund similar to DFEVX. Low turnover with 2000+ holdings. Would be easier to manage rather than an equal parts strategy of SFENX:QEELX:DGS:EEMS.

Does anybody know much about TLTE?

Thanks!
Having the same question.

I'm looking to decide between the following ETFs (because i cannot by mutual funds as a non resident alien):

US
IJS ishares S&P Small-Cap 600 Value

Intl.
FNDC Schwab Fundamental Intl Sm Co ETF
PDN PowerShares FTSE RAFI DvMkt exUS S/M ETF
DLS WisdomTree International SmallCp Div ETF

EM
FNDE Schwab Fundamental Emerg Mkts Lg Co ETF
PXH PowerShares FTSE RAFI Emerging Mkts ETF
DGS WisdomTree Emerging Markets SmCp Div ETF
TLTE FlexShares Mstar EmgMkts FctTilt ETF

I'd probably skip on the WT funds, as they are dividends weighted only. The fundamental method seems to be a better method for value.
Is that true?

In Europe, we also have the following two, but I'm not sure how valuey the MSCI method is.
From what I understand, they take MSCI Small USA/Europe and then weight by value. Is this any good?
- SPDR MSCI USA Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF
- SPDR MSCI Europe Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF
https://de.spdrs.com/en/professional/et ... tf-ZPRV-GY
https://de.spdrs.com/en/professional/et ... tf-ZPRX-GY
No Pacific region with these, unfortunately.

Maybe we should create a definite Small-Value/Value thread?
Information and questions regarding these funds are in several threads across the board!
I too have avoided the Wisdom Tree funds with their dividend factor tilt only. It does tilt value but I dividends are not a historical factor that has outperformed. Yet many on this thread are using them. I wonder why. Open to hearing thoughts.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by grap0013 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:14 am

pauliec84 wrote:
grap0013 wrote:Does anybody know much about TLTE?
Thanks!
I thought about TLTE. Given the lack of emerging market factor data, I think the best way to get at what factor exposures of a fund are is to look at equivelent US (or developed funds).

For TLTE there is a US version TILT, for which we have data going back to 2011; and a international domestic version with data going back to

Analyzing both funds since inception (and comparing against existing ETF options) show that they don't achieve any meaningful load. For the US fund I get similar results if I use daily data and just the past year.
Gotcha. After doing a little more research I see DGS, SFENX, etc... do look a little more valuey than TLTE. It's not bad though. I think it will still earn a premium above VWO and I really like the number of holdings.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Theoretical » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:01 pm

Well, their dividend tilt is a bit different than a run of the mill tilt. It's more of a fundamental weighting, because it's based on the total payout, not the yield. This makes it more to where it's a weighting (at least for DLS and DGS) based on something close to shareholder yield, since foreign companies use buybacks less than US companies.

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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by supertreat » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:21 pm

heartwood wrote:Thank you to those who included fund names as well as the requested tickers. For me, this might have been an interesting thread, but I have no interest or wish to spend the time in decoding the funds. YMMV
Takes about 2 seconds to google a ticker. I've never understood people's frustration w/ this.
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by aj76er » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:32 pm

DFFVX
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PandaBear
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by PandaBear » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:37 pm

I just Vanguard Small Cap Value Index Fund Admiral Shares (VSIAX) 0.08% ER in my HSA. I've considered using an S&P 600 Value fund, but the only ones I can find are ETFs (IJS and VIOV) and not an actual mutual fund.

Whakamole
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by Whakamole » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:38 pm

VTV (Vanguard Value) - a relic of my time before joining this forum; nothing more being added.
DFA Small/Mid Cap Value Trust - a CIT which is similar (but not the same) as DFFVX (DFA Targeted Value.)

hilink73
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by hilink73 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:57 pm

supertreat wrote:
heartwood wrote:Thank you to those who included fund names as well as the requested tickers. For me, this might have been an interesting thread, but I have no interest or wish to spend the time in decoding the funds. YMMV
Takes about 2 seconds to google a ticker. I've never understood people's frustration w/ this.
Because it completely interrupts the flow reading the text when you have to switch back and forth between tabs/browser windows.
I consider that hassle. It's courtesy to make a text readable, especially if you have a question.

lack_ey
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Re: Please list value funds you currently use

Post by lack_ey » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:02 pm

hilink73 wrote:
supertreat wrote:
heartwood wrote:Thank you to those who included fund names as well as the requested tickers. For me, this might have been an interesting thread, but I have no interest or wish to spend the time in decoding the funds. YMMV
Takes about 2 seconds to google a ticker. I've never understood people's frustration w/ this.
Because it completely interrupts the flow reading the text when you have to switch back and forth between tabs/browser windows.
I consider that hassle. It's courtesy to make a text readable, especially if you have a question.
Also, typos are not uncommon. A lot of times threads get stalled from nobody knowing how to interpret a ticker symbol that doesn't exist, or worse, points to something unintended.

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