Abbreviation versus name [ticker versus fund name]

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Abbreviation versus name [ticker versus fund name]

Post by cliff » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:59 am

At one time I frequented this board and its predecessor frequently. There was a 'rule' that fund names should be used and not abbreviations.

Among other changes I have noted is that no longer is this true. I don't know how others feel but it is quite annoying to see postings that do not use the fund name.

I have not memorized every fund abbreviation. Is it too much to ask to use the name of the fund and not the abbreviation?

thanks...

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Post by tonythered » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:19 pm

That is still the case, though it isn't always followed. Many follow-up posters often do request that the original poster go back and edit with the fund names and other relevant info (ER and such, to save everyone else the time of researching).

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Post by Grandpaboys » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:25 pm

Best way to cure this is do not post to the thread. I don't.
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Please use ticker symbols AND fund names

Post by Taylor Larimore » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:30 pm

Hi Cliff:

Thank you for bringing this important subject to our attention. It should be obvious that most of us have not memorized ticker symbols. Many Bogleheads (including me) cannot not take the time to look-up a jumble of ticker symbols.

If a poster wants maximum replies, include ticker symbols AND fund names.

Thank you.
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Re: Abbreviation versus name

Post by sscritic » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:40 pm

cliff wrote: Is it too much to ask to use the name of the fund and not the abbreviation?.

It obviously is for some people.

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Post by BostonBoy » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:49 pm

I agree with the OP start using the fund names.

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Post by YDNAL » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:54 pm

cliff wrote:At one time I frequented this board and its predecessor frequently. There was a 'rule' that fund names should be used and not abbreviations.

Yes, even if you happen to know the fund/ticker symbols, I'm always concerned that posters can easily have typing errors.

VEA does not equal VEU.

or

VGTSX does not equal VTGSX.
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Post by bob90245 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:54 pm

It seems to me that if someone wants to maximize the amount of helpful responses, then spell out the full name of the funds. Otherwise, only those who have all the ticker symbols memorized would be willing to help.
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Post by Scott S » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:38 pm

I try not to use ticker symbols without linking them to the name of the fund somehow. I've noticed a lot of people using abbreviations for the fund name (TSM, TBM, PM, EM, etc) which I think is fair.

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Post by tarnation » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:39 pm

If one is requesting help, the burden of typing it all out should be on the requester and it seems prudent to include all information like name tickers, etc.

However, if one is not requesting help, but replying to a post or in general conversation, it seems the burden should be on the reader to look up things they don't know, whether it be terms or tickers, etc.
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Post by SpringMan » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:42 pm

By abbreviations I assume you mean ticker symbols. Abbreviations could also mean things like TSM, TBM, SCV, TIPS and the like, IMO these are more acceptable.
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Post by Chuck » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:00 pm

BostonBoy wrote:I agree with the OP start using the fund names.

You agree with who?

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Post by bob90245 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:16 pm

Chuck wrote:
BostonBoy wrote:I agree with the OP start using the fund names.

You agree with who?

LOL! I try to avoid ALL abreviations, too. :D (I always spell out "opening poster".)


LOL is an exception, which means "laugh out loud".
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Post by sscritic » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:55 pm

Chuck wrote:
BostonBoy wrote:I agree with the OP start using the fund names.

You agree with who?

Is "who" an abbreviation for "whom"? :)

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Re: Abbreviation versus name

Post by YDNAL » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:58 pm

sscritic wrote:
Chuck wrote:
BostonBoy wrote:I agree with the OP start using the fund names.

You agree with who?

Is "who" an abbreviation for "whom"? :)

No... I think it is the name of a Rock 'n Roll band.

sorry, I had to abbreviate and ('n)!
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Post by Lorraine » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:52 pm

I'm so glad Cliff brought this up. :beer I've been tempted to but since I'm new to the forum I was hesitant. I read every day trying to educate myself and did initially research ticker symbols but it just got to be too time consuming. Fund/ETF names will be so helpful and appreciated. :)

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Post by #Cruncher » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:07 pm

tarnation wrote:However, if one is not requesting help, but replying to a post or in general conversation, it seems the burden should be on the reader to look up things they don't know, whether it be terms or tickers, etc.

I disagree. In my humble opinion (that took me 5 seconds longer to type than "IMHO"), in all cases writers should show consideration to readers. The writer presumably knows what the symbol or abbreviation refers to, and therefore can type the name with little effort. The readers, who often don't, need to spend a fair amount of time to find out. It's simple arithmetic. If I can save ten readers 30 seconds each by spending 5 seconds typing a name, it's a good thing to do. If we all follow the Golden Rule in this respect, we'll all end up better off.

With abbreviations it's a judgment call. Some are so widely understood that it makes sense to use them alone. But with a ticker symbol, I believe the name should always be included the first time it's mentioned in a thread.

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Post by cliff » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:45 pm

Thanks for all of the affirmative responses...Perhaps it would behoove all of us to respond when 'ticker symbols' are used, to simply state please indicate the fund name and than I will gladly reply to your question/comments.

Not trying to be a pain, but it would make this forum much more user friendly. Consideration for others is never a bad thing....

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Post by Grasshopper » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:52 pm

OK, is it intermediate bond fund, investment grade, admiral, investor, ETF.

I was guilty VFSUX distribution 3/23/2011.

Spank me.

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Post by tarnation » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:03 pm

cliff wrote:Thanks for all of the affirmative responses...Perhaps it would behoove all of us to respond when 'ticker symbols' are used, to simply state please indicate the fund name and than I will gladly reply to your question/comments.

Not trying to be a pain, but it would make this forum much more user friendly. Consideration for others is never a bad thing....

I agree, I think withholding assistance until our demands are met will make this place much friendlier.
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Post by retiredjg » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:15 pm

cliff, thanks for bringing this up again. I whine about it periodically too. The problem got even worse when ETFs (ok,ok, exchange traded funds) became popular. I guess people thing those are easier to remember. :roll:

I frequently don't join in threads that require me to look up a lot of ticker-speak. I don't mind looking up one or two every once in awhile.

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Post by Default User BR » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:43 am

Grasshopper wrote:I was guilty VFSUX distribution 3/23/2011.

Amazes me that Vanguard decided to use that symbol.



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Post by YDNAL » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:53 am

Default User BR wrote:
Grasshopper wrote:I was guilty VFSUX distribution 3/23/2011.

Amazes me that Vanguard decided to use that symbol.

TRSEX anyone?
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Post by FabLab » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:57 pm

bob90245 wrote:
Chuck wrote:
BostonBoy wrote:I agree with the OP start using the fund names.

You agree with who?

LOL! I try to avoid ALL abreviations, too. :D (I always spell out "opening poster".)


LOL is an exception, which means "laugh out loud".


I agree! I eschew all abbreviations, except when I don't :D
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