Diversifying Portfolio by paying cash

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jajajaja
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Diversifying Portfolio by paying cash

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hi,

My portfolio is 100% stock, mostly S&P500 ETF but I also buy individual stocks when I am feeling adventurous.
Then, my strategy for safe investments to diversify my portfolio is to pay cash on my cars and home improvements rather than taking a loan on them.
CD or T-bills rates or bonds always seem lower interest rate than the loan interest rate I get on cars and home improvement.
Maybe I am missing something, are there other safe investments better than what I am doing? Or are there loan lenders that give better rates than CD or bonds?

thanks
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Generally, neither cars nor home improvement expenses are investments at all... So if the goal is hedging your risky investments with safer ones, a better option would be to actually invest in safer assets (like treasuries).
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Paying cash for a car isn't an investment; it's just...buying a car. Thus, there is no diversification benefit possible.

Almost everyone posting here pays cash for their depreciating expenses unless there's a financially advantageous reason to get a loan.
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Yes, I dont consider depreciating assets as investments. They are necessary expenses that either I can take a loan on (paying high interest rate) or pay in full with cash (basically "opportunity cost" as cash to potentially buy higher yield investments is now used up).

I have seen advice saying dont pay for cars in full and use that money to invest on higher yield investments. My situation is that I am already 100% stock so my hedging is my cash on these depreciating assets which is effectively "earning" me the interest rate that I would have paid when taking a loan.
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jajajaja wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:09 pm Yes, I dont consider depreciating assets as investments. They are necessary expenses that either I can take a loan on (paying high interest rate) or pay in full with cash (basically "opportunity cost" as cash to potentially buy higher yield investments is now used up).

I have seen advice saying dont pay for cars in full and use that money to invest on higher yield investments. My situation is that I am already 100% stock so my hedging is my cash on these depreciating assets which is effectively "earning" me the interest rate that I would have paid when taking a loan.
You can not take a loan and still diversify your non-leveraged holdings, so other than a way to rationalize the amount of risk you taking in your investments there is no connection between the two decisions.
And I don't know who is telling you to take out car loans in order to invest in stocks but I'd stop listening to them for financial advice - if you want leverage for investing there are almost certainly cheaper ways to get it.
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avalpert1 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:20 pm
jajajaja wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:09 pm Yes, I dont consider depreciating assets as investments. They are necessary expenses that either I can take a loan on (paying high interest rate) or pay in full with cash (basically "opportunity cost" as cash to potentially buy higher yield investments is now used up).

I have seen advice saying dont pay for cars in full and use that money to invest on higher yield investments. My situation is that I am already 100% stock so my hedging is my cash on these depreciating assets which is effectively "earning" me the interest rate that I would have paid when taking a loan.
You can not take a loan and still diversify your non-leveraged holdings, so other than a way to rationalize the amount of risk you taking in your investments there is no connection between the two decisions.
And I don't know who is telling you to take out car loans in order to invest in stocks but I'd stop listening to them for financial advice - if you want leverage for investing there are almost certainly cheaper ways to get it.
Admittedly I have never directly got leverage for investing so not familiar with it. What is the cheaper way to do it? I just did a quick look at Fidelity Margin rates and it is around 11.5% if you have $100K. A car loan of 6% is much cheaper interest than 11.5%.

Regarding the connection between the 2 decisions, I guess I just consider my "portfolio" to be all the assets I have, not just the assets that are in the brokerage accounts. And I rebalance them in totality depending on my risk appetite. I consider home and car (albeit depreciating) as "safe/non-volatile" assets, and stocks as "risky/volatile" assets, for example.
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