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Hello everyone! As my last and first post mentioned, I am so grateful to have stumbled across this forum and for what I have learned through reading numerous finance books over the past 5 or so years. I was always and still am, a big believer in "knowledge is potential power", but never applied this thinking to personal finances until my early 40s. Of course I wish I had learned about finances in my teens or at least in my 20s, but that didn't happen. I learned in my teens and 20s mainly from my parents and "The Joneses". I learned from my parents what living paycheck to paycheck was like, that you can afford any car as long as you can make the monthly payment, that you just want to make sure you get a refund on your tax return (my parents always had someone do their taxes and I don't believe new much about taxes other than they don't like paying them, lol), and regarding 401k, 403b, IRAs, 529s, brokerage account, never remember my parents mentioning any of these growing up. My parents did mention and talked briefly about having a checking and savings account. My parents were loving and I am grateful for them, however, when it came to teaching us kids about finances, it just didn't happen. From the Joneses, I learned you need to "keep up with them", to spend, spend, and spend, that credit cards can be your best friend, and by the way don't worry about saving money for retirement that isn't for another 40 or so years. Thus, as you can tell, I didn't have the benefit of learning about finances (at least smart ways to manage money) until late in life. Fortunately, I did "wake up" and finally learn and fortunately I was never a big spender, so other than some college debt (which I paid for 12 years of college myself via loans, grants, scholarships, and in grad school via TA and RA positions) and a few car loans, I never accumulated much debt (e.g., no credit card debt), but also never invested (other than in a 403b over the years, but not really knowing what I was invested in, now I do :)).

So, with all this said and now having a better understanding of my background, I am wanting to help others (you can say, pay it forward) learn the basics about finances, so they have the knowledge much early than I. Thus, I am brainstorming ways to help my college students (yes, I am a college professor, but in exercise science) learn the personal finance basics. I teach a variety of classes (e.g., Wellness for Life, Senior Seminar, Research, etc...) and teach all grade levels (freshmen, sophomores, juniors, seniors). In my Wellness for Life class, we do talk briefly about the financial dimension of Wellness (there are 8 dimensions of wellness and the class is mainly built around the physical dimension, e.g., cardi, resistant training, healthy diet, etc...). I am thinking about spending more time on the financial dimension (e.g., spend the first 10-15 minutes one class per week). I am just wanting to be sure (help) my freshmen students (e.g., those in Wellness) get some "no conflict of interest" basic financial knowledge, and my seniors a little more than basic knowledge before they graduate. Here are three options I am considering:
1. use the first 10-15 minutes of Wellness class time sharing tips/advice on personal finance, likely use videos/content from Nex Gen Personal Finance (https://www.ngpf.org/).
2. Start a book club (use likely one on the Bogleheads recommended books) that meets once a month, not mandatory, so not sure if students will come
3. require my seniors in my Senior Seminar class to read a finance book on the side and to do short summary assignments on each chapter.

Does anyone have experience, recommendations, or ideas on how best to help college students learn the basics of finances and how a college professor, like me, can assist that learning? I am open to ideas?
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I think your idea is a good one. When your financial wellness is low and you have high financial stress, you're twice as likely to have poor overall health. Experts also found that you're four times as likely to get some sort of condition. Often, these new health issues lead people to spend even more money on medical needs.

Our son’s got interested in personal finance when there were in college. In part, because they had a college job and we would match their W-2 income as long as the match was invested for their future. We also had them track spending and pay bills. Time in the market and their savings rate is so important for these young adults today.
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I can relate to your experience and I also wished I learned more at a much younger age.

My kids were fortunate to learn about the basics of finances in high school. One of the ideas they took away was in regard to the power of compounding principal and interest over time. They were excited to open a ROTH when they got their first job. :happy
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exsciprof wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 8:41 amDoes anyone have experience, recommendations, or ideas on how best to help college students learn the basics of finances and how a college professor, like me, can assist that learning? I am open to ideas?
Team up with the business/economics professors. The college where I taught offered a series of seminars for personal finance that was open to all students (and professors). That moved it out of the classroom, so to speak, and made it available for those who were interested and willing to learn. The seminars were appropriate for undergraduates and graduate students and held in the early evening hours after all classes were completed for they day.

In my department, I included personal finance for future educators in a specific class for those about to receive their teaching degrees once student teaching was completed. We mainly covered servicing student loan debt, compounding, budgeting (both for personal and classroom), all matters related to their respective field involving the pros and cons of the state teacher pension plans for our 5 state area, 403b's, 457b's and Roth options. Most were headed to teach where teachers paid into SS, a mandatory pension plan, plus had the option to invest a portion in both a 403b and 457b plan for a three legged retirement income stool. A few were headed to neighboring states that had teachers not paying into SS, so it was the mandatory pension and voluntary 403b/457b two legged retirement income stool avenue.

In the specific case involving the students I taught, they were 100% placed in school teaching jobs upon graduation. So the main purpose was to do a unit within the semester that would help prepare them for signing all of the documents, and how to make their respective decisions on creating a budget where there might be a percentage of their pay available that could go into mutual funds within the plans available in hopes that they could hit the ground running. These were always upperclassmen near graduation and perhaps, more attentive to the upcoming process of their first teaching job, creating a budget to service the student loan, contribute to retirement, pay rent, and not take on additional debt. It was easy to get the materials from the state pension plans and the respective state 404b/457b plans to use as course materials.

In your case, obtaining curriculum materials for a general personal finance segment/course would also be easy to assemble. Do a search for personal finance for college students. You can also find plenty of syllabus available online from those that have come before you to use as examples when creating your own. I taught an entry level freshman course where we did cover, like you are intending, a small portion of time each week to personal finance. To make it more appropriate, the focus on what the value of earning their college degree in respective fields of study could mean for their lifetime earnings as a single income household as well as a dual income household was more of the starting point. Since the majority of freshmen do not know what their major is going to actually turn out to be by the time they graduate, I used the study The College Payoff as a way to start discussing the journey: https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/ ... ge-payoff/

In my experience of working with the entry level freshmen compared to the upperclassmen who were all about to enter their chosen field and begin working, servicing debt, and saving in short order, I found the latter group to be much more inquisitive and attentive to personal finance information than the former group.

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Reading "The Only Investment Guide You'll Ever Need" (Andrew Tobias) while 20ish was a fascinating and funny intro to the realities of investments, investment advisors, and real savings vs "story" investments. I recommend it for anybody beginning their investment journey.
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Humberto Cruz wrote a financial column for the Herald-Tribune (in Miami?) many years ago, I read it every week. That's how I learned some really basic financial lessons.

Really simple stuff. Contribute enough to get the 401k match. Spend less than you earn. Be frugal. Here's a link to one article:

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/new ... 980937007/

it would be great if someone published a book with all his articles.
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exsciprof wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 8:41 am Thus, I am brainstorming ways to help my college students (yes, I am a college professor, but in exercise science) ...

Does anyone have experience, recommendations, or ideas on how best to help college students learn the basics of finances ...?
Yes. Leave it to the business/econ/finance faculty who have education and expertise in the subject.
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Have an assignment to read 'If You Can' -not the additional readings within it, just the document itself and write a maximum one page paper on it.
https://www.etf.com/docs/IfYouCan.pdf

Or you could use your 10-15 minute weekly sessions to read and discuss each section.
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exsciprof wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 8:41 am Does anyone have experience, recommendations, or ideas on how best to help college students learn the basics of finances and how a college professor, like me, can assist that learning? I am open to ideas?
I think freshman will be too inundated with the novelty of perhaps being away from home and on their own for the first time to absorb much. The last year of undergraduate work (and then the first year at their first "real job") seems to me the most apropos point. They will soon have more discretionary money than they will have likely handled previously.

I recall when I was a university senior, some life insurance companies rented office space right across the street from my university and were selling "whole life insurance" pretty hard to students that were graduating soon. Luckily, I didn't "bite".

If you can inform your seniors that inexpensive term life insurance will more likely be a better fit for them (and may be offered through their employer), you could wind up saving several of them quite a bit of money.

Also, college students are pushed credit cards pretty hard (or at least, it was this way several years ago). Responsible use of credit cards could be helpful for many, too.

A hard part in this will be how to avoid coming across as "preachy".
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Each student is in a unique situation which you may or may not be able to speak directly to. But you could use professional athletics as a case study - they have particular challenges like they often have family members they want to support, often their more distant relatives see them as someone with money and want to offer them a chance to “invest,” their careers generally aren’t going to last their full adults life, and so forth.

The players unions I believe have developed some curriculum in this area.

I think it is interesting and engaging and students are likely to think more about their particular situation and what strategies might work for them.
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Based upon my kids college experiences. I could list many topics, but I would assume most kids know very little in general. I would start with the basics. Like what is a credit card and why is that different from a debit card. Why they have to read their loan fine print when they take them out. What is compound interest, and why it works well with investing and not so well with debt. Many kids graduate college today with out every even having a part time job. They never heard of FICA or a 1040 form. Most don;t even realize that they are going to have to pay more money back for the school loans than they took out. They don't even think they are going to have to pay the loan money back at all. (I guess that was true for a while)
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Very good cause!!

This reminds me of my professor who exposed the students to personal finance in his class:
- he gave power point presentations on his income, assets, net work from age 20-66. He tracked it all including pictures of his assets!!
-made us read millionaire next door book and introduced us to market efficiency theory.
- made us reflect on materials vs experiences and which one to pick.
- behavioral finance Etc


exsciprof wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 8:41 am Hello everyone! As my last and first post mentioned, I am so grateful to have stumbled across this forum and for what I have learned through reading numerous finance books over the past 5 or so years. I was always and still am, a big believer in "knowledge is potential power", but never applied this thinking to personal finances until my early 40s. Of course I wish I had learned about finances in my teens or at least in my 20s, but that didn't happen. I learned in my teens and 20s mainly from my parents and "The Joneses". I learned from my parents what living paycheck to paycheck was like, that you can afford any car as long as you can make the monthly payment, that you just want to make sure you get a refund on your tax return (my parents always had someone do their taxes and I don't believe new much about taxes other than they don't like paying them, lol), and regarding 401k, 403b, IRAs, 529s, brokerage account, never remember my parents mentioning any of these growing up. My parents did mention and talked briefly about having a checking and savings account. My parents were loving and I am grateful for them, however, when it came to teaching us kids about finances, it just didn't happen. From the Joneses, I learned you need to "keep up with them", to spend, spend, and spend, that credit cards can be your best friend, and by the way don't worry about saving money for retirement that isn't for another 40 or so years. Thus, as you can tell, I didn't have the benefit of learning about finances (at least smart ways to manage money) until late in life. Fortunately, I did "wake up" and finally learn and fortunately I was never a big spender, so other than some college debt (which I paid for 12 years of college myself via loans, grants, scholarships, and in grad school via TA and RA positions) and a few car loans, I never accumulated much debt (e.g., no credit card debt), but also never invested (other than in a 403b over the years, but not really knowing what I was invested in, now I do :)).

So, with all this said and now having a better understanding of my background, I am wanting to help others (you can say, pay it forward) learn the basics about finances, so they have the knowledge much early than I. Thus, I am brainstorming ways to help my college students (yes, I am a college professor, but in exercise science) learn the personal finance basics. I teach a variety of classes (e.g., Wellness for Life, Senior Seminar, Research, etc...) and teach all grade levels (freshmen, sophomores, juniors, seniors). In my Wellness for Life class, we do talk briefly about the financial dimension of Wellness (there are 8 dimensions of wellness and the class is mainly built around the physical dimension, e.g., cardi, resistant training, healthy diet, etc...). I am thinking about spending more time on the financial dimension (e.g., spend the first 10-15 minutes one class per week). I am just wanting to be sure (help) my freshmen students (e.g., those in Wellness) get some "no conflict of interest" basic financial knowledge, and my seniors a little more than basic knowledge before they graduate. Here are three options I am considering:
1. use the first 10-15 minutes of Wellness class time sharing tips/advice on personal finance, likely use videos/content from Nex Gen Personal Finance (https://www.ngpf.org/).
2. Start a book club (use likely one on the Bogleheads recommended books) that meets once a month, not mandatory, so not sure if students will come
3. require my seniors in my Senior Seminar class to read a finance book on the side and to do short summary assignments on each chapter.

Does anyone have experience, recommendations, or ideas on how best to help college students learn the basics of finances and how a college professor, like me, can assist that learning? I am open to ideas?
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Thank you everyone for the ideas and comments. Much appreciated!
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HeavyChevy wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 9:50 am Reading "The Only Investment Guide You'll Ever Need" (Andrew Tobias) while 20ish was a fascinating and funny intro to the realities of investments, investment advisors, and real savings vs "story" investments. I recommend it for anybody beginning their investment journey.
I read this book and it was good. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Onlineid3089 wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 11:56 am Have an assignment to read 'If You Can' -not the additional readings within it, just the document itself and write a maximum one page paper on it.
https://www.etf.com/docs/IfYouCan.pdf

Or you could use your 10-15 minute weekly sessions to read and discuss each section.
Actually, I shared a little of this "If you can" in one of my Wellness class this spring. I like both your ideas and may incorporate one this fall. Thanks!
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In no particular order, I'd have courses on the following
  • Compound interest. Teach this first from the side of how saving even a small amount when they are young can become a very large amount later in life. Get them excited about how compound interest can work for them. Then, teach them about how it can work against you via unpaid balances on credit cards. That should naturally lead into discussions of why it's important to LBYM.
  • Tax advantaged accounts. E.g., 401k, IRA, Roth 401k, Roth IRA. Discuss employer matches, how to identify the hidden fees in various 401k options, and various back-door options
  • Diversification and why having a well-diversified portfolio helps reduce risk
  • Index funds vs actively managed funds
  • Whole life vs BTID
  • Disability insurance and why it is likely more important than life insurance for a young unmarried student
  • 4% rule for retirement
  • High yield savings accounts. They will likely need to put money in a bank and they should try to get some good interest on it
  • Credit agencies and why they would want to freeze their accounts at the major credit bureaus
Edit: one more item
Discuss what is appropriate personal information to provide to 3rd parties and what isn't. This should hopefully help them avoid potential scams.
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Start here - use the games and its resources including the helpful links to learn everything about personal finance that will affect them as they progress through life. Investing is important, but if you can not manage your income and expenses, you will not have the ability to invest.

https://playmoneysmart.fdic.gov/game/11?tab=Tools
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The Index Card (Olen & Pollack) is a very good basic introduction. Could be appropriate for the Wellness class. I'd be more suspicious of introducing such things into your senior seminar, given that you're in Exercise Science... seems a little beyond your remit. (Someone at your institution should have expertise in teaching these topics. You'll have to poke around a little to figure out who. At my institution, there's a finance program in Business that has relevant classes, but Economics doesn't touch this stuff.)
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I, too, am a college professor and I, too, have tried to fill this need in a modest way. I think you're right that it's your Wellness course that will allow you to do that although I think you may hit problems with the finance book requirement. My field is philosophy and I teach a goodly amount of ethics. What I've done is make my applied part of the course "the ethics of money." We actually discuss a wide range of topics from sweatshops to consumerism, and planned obsolescence to environmental and social implications of money. My advice is to keep it simple, keep it (somewhat) immediately relevant to the age group, and have a plan about how to justify the inclusion in your course. It's fine to talk about investing and retirement, but those topics don't actually seem very real to most college students. I mention those topics, but only in passing and only to say that they should learn about these topics as soon as they have their first "real job." As part of our consumerism unit, I can teach them about the effects of debt, managing debt intelligently, living on a budget, and what it means to live within one's means as opposed to keeping up with the Joneses. I actually do require that they make a budget regardless of the amount or source of their income. Many of my students come from impoverished backgrounds and are interested in learning how to improve their standard of living in a variety of ways.
Financial wellness seems to be a pretty good justification for inclusion in the course if students ever complain. You might also find help (believe it or not!) in your PLO's or CLO's in surprising ways. For example, teaching philosophy makes it easy to teach a lot of subjects, but I'm also helped by the fact that almost all of our courses include "personal responsibility," and/or "social responsibility," (even my logic course!) as desired outcomes. If I ever get any complaints about the budget assignment, I will just cite those outcomes, lol! Hope this helps a little; keep up the good work!
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Honestly it should be a required course in its own right taught by a qualified professional. As much as you mean well wanting to help out yourself, I think the better path would be to lobby your dean of student affairs to bring in some financial professionals for a brown bag lunch series, or the provost for a course offering.

I agree it is a gap in the offerings of most colleges, but theoretically they are teaching enough of the basics in math, economics, and so on, such that most students come away with the skills they will need for financial literacy, if not financial literacy itself. Fortunately, a lot of K-12 systems are starting to require personal finance.

If you offer it in the context of a Wellness class, that should be in the course description that is approved by your department and administration, otherwise you could be exposing yourself or your university to liability should a parent disagree with your advice.
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exsciprof wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 8:41 am Hello everyone! As my last and first post mentioned, I am so grateful to have stumbled across this forum and for what I have learned through reading numerous finance books over the past 5 or so years. I was always and still am, a big believer in "knowledge is potential power", but never applied this thinking to personal finances until my early 40s. Of course I wish I had learned about finances in my teens or at least in my 20s, but that didn't happen. I learned in my teens and 20s mainly from my parents and "The Joneses". I learned from my parents what living paycheck to paycheck was like, that you can afford any car as long as you can make the monthly payment, that you just want to make sure you get a refund on your tax return (my parents always had someone do their taxes and I don't believe new much about taxes other than they don't like paying them, lol), and regarding 401k, 403b, IRAs, 529s, brokerage account, never remember my parents mentioning any of these growing up. My parents did mention and talked briefly about having a checking and savings account. My parents were loving and I am grateful for them, however, when it came to teaching us kids about finances, it just didn't happen. From the Joneses, I learned you need to "keep up with them", to spend, spend, and spend, that credit cards can be your best friend, and by the way don't worry about saving money for retirement that isn't for another 40 or so years. Thus, as you can tell, I didn't have the benefit of learning about finances (at least smart ways to manage money) until late in life. Fortunately, I did "wake up" and finally learn and fortunately I was never a big spender, so other than some college debt (which I paid for 12 years of college myself via loans, grants, scholarships, and in grad school via TA and RA positions) and a few car loans, I never accumulated much debt (e.g., no credit card debt), but also never invested (other than in a 403b over the years, but not really knowing what I was invested in, now I do :)).

So, with all this said and now having a better understanding of my background, I am wanting to help others (you can say, pay it forward) learn the basics about finances, so they have the knowledge much early than I. Thus, I am brainstorming ways to help my college students (yes, I am a college professor, but in exercise science) learn the personal finance basics. I teach a variety of classes (e.g., Wellness for Life, Senior Seminar, Research, etc...) and teach all grade levels (freshmen, sophomores, juniors, seniors). In my Wellness for Life class, we do talk briefly about the financial dimension of Wellness (there are 8 dimensions of wellness and the class is mainly built around the physical dimension, e.g., cardi, resistant training, healthy diet, etc...). I am thinking about spending more time on the financial dimension (e.g., spend the first 10-15 minutes one class per week). I am just wanting to be sure (help) my freshmen students (e.g., those in Wellness) get some "no conflict of interest" basic financial knowledge, and my seniors a little more than basic knowledge before they graduate. Here are three options I am considering:
1. use the first 10-15 minutes of Wellness class time sharing tips/advice on personal finance, likely use videos/content from Nex Gen Personal Finance (https://www.ngpf.org/).
2. Start a book club (use likely one on the Bogleheads recommended books) that meets once a month, not mandatory, so not sure if students will come
3. require my seniors in my Senior Seminar class to read a finance book on the side and to do short summary assignments on each chapter.

Does anyone have experience, recommendations, or ideas on how best to help college students learn the basics of finances and how a college professor, like me, can assist that learning? I am open to ideas?
As someone with some exercise science background myself (former college football coach turned k-12 PE teacher but that path took me through Kines/ex phys more than PE pedagogy) I definitely can see this holistic approach being a great thing for the students. I would say that it might benefit you to explain that this philosophy on personal finance is designed to provide ENOUGH--not necessarily becoming "rich".
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