Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
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Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
Total market funds, that are central to the bogleheads investing strategy, have some portion invested into fossil fuel stocks. For example, VTSAX has a 6% investment in fossil fuels (e.g: ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Dominion etc.,). Going forward, I would like to have a portfolio that is 100% free of fossil fuel stocks. I am willing to take on the additional risk I am exposed to by not being invested in the whole market. Any boglehead attempt a completely fossil fuel free portfolio or have advice on building one?
If it helps: I am 28 yrs old and work at a tech megacorp with a salary of 230k with a net worth of 200k.
If it helps: I am 28 yrs old and work at a tech megacorp with a salary of 230k with a net worth of 200k.
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If you’re happy to sign on to other socially conscious causes as well, an ESG fund like this one from Vanguard
https://investor.vanguard.com/etf/profile/ESGV
may serve your purpose.
If you just want to avoid fossil fuels, or have more specific target exclusions than ESG funds that you can find, maybe consider “direct indexing.” It may also have tax loss harvesting benefits anyway. Though it comes with higher expense ratios, and is probably suitable for investors with significant holdings.
https://investor.vanguard.com/etf/profile/ESGV
may serve your purpose.
If you just want to avoid fossil fuels, or have more specific target exclusions than ESG funds that you can find, maybe consider “direct indexing.” It may also have tax loss harvesting benefits anyway. Though it comes with higher expense ratios, and is probably suitable for investors with significant holdings.
knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:00 am Total market funds, that are central to the bogleheads investing strategy, have some portion invested into fossil fuel stocks. For example, VTSAX has a 6% investment in fossil fuels (e.g: ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Dominion etc.,). Going forward, I would like to have a portfolio that is 100% free of fossil fuel stocks. I am willing to take on the additional risk I am exposed to by not being invested in the whole market. Any boglehead attempt a completely fossil fuel free portfolio or have advice on building one?
If it helps: I am 28 yrs old and work at a tech megacorp with a salary of 230k with a net worth of 200k.
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Just curious, but why are you doing this?
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Thanks for your reply. What does "direct indexing" mean?theorist wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:51 am If you’re happy to sign on to other socially conscious causes as well, an ESG fund like this one from Vanguard
https://investor.vanguard.com/etf/profile/ESGV
may serve your purpose.
If you just want to avoid fossil fuels, or have more specific target exclusions than ESG funds that you can find, maybe consider “direct indexing.” It may also have tax loss harvesting benefits anyway. Though it comes with higher expense ratios, and is probably suitable for investors with significant holdings.knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:00 am Total market funds, that are central to the bogleheads investing strategy, have some portion invested into fossil fuel stocks. For example, VTSAX has a 6% investment in fossil fuels (e.g: ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Dominion etc.,). Going forward, I would like to have a portfolio that is 100% free of fossil fuel stocks. I am willing to take on the additional risk I am exposed to by not being invested in the whole market. Any boglehead attempt a completely fossil fuel free portfolio or have advice on building one?
If it helps: I am 28 yrs old and work at a tech megacorp with a salary of 230k with a net worth of 200k.
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Weird. 100% of business rely on fossil fuels.
Be careful out there and don't get swept up into social trends. I understand your plight but don't let marketing get a hold of you.
Be careful out there and don't get swept up into social trends. I understand your plight but don't let marketing get a hold of you.
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Of course, I understand that the world runs on oil. I just don't want to directly fund fossil fuel companies by investing in them.
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All low cost index funds will be out for sure. What about buying carbon offsets instead? Or giving money to organizations that are active in rainforest reforestation efforts?knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:14 amOf course, I understand that the world runs on oil. I just don't want to directly fund fossil fuel companies by investing in them.
Otherwise your two options are: (1) direct stock investing in only companies you feel comfortable with and/or (2) socially managed funds, which will not be low cost and will almost assuredly underperform the indexes after everything is factored in.
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Why not directly buy a tree farm/ directly invest and use the regenerated timber for your future generations? You would be directly impacting the environment while growing sustainable resources.
Get a few hundred acres in some state you never visit and cut X% of trees per year for profit and then reinvest with newly planted trees on the land you just had cut.
Lumber price keep going up and up.
Get a few hundred acres in some state you never visit and cut X% of trees per year for profit and then reinvest with newly planted trees on the land you just had cut.
Lumber price keep going up and up.
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A bit of advice here: look up the number of everyday items that are directly made from the oil industry (hint, it’s most consumer items). Even if you avoid directly investing in them, any company in which you invest is going to, in part, trickle back to an oil company. Even “carbon free” companies like Google still purchase office products, computers, etc that all are created from oil/natural gas. Their employees spend their salaries on oil-based items, etc...
You can certainly lessen your exposure to oil by this method of allocation, but I’m a firm believer that it will do pretty much nothing will be accomplished by people investing “responsibly”. It’s going to take a ground-breaking breakthrough to change the world’s production paradigm.
One option you could look at is investing in companies that have research funded that is aimed to do just that - at least there your money will be put to the use you intend.
You can certainly lessen your exposure to oil by this method of allocation, but I’m a firm believer that it will do pretty much nothing will be accomplished by people investing “responsibly”. It’s going to take a ground-breaking breakthrough to change the world’s production paradigm.
One option you could look at is investing in companies that have research funded that is aimed to do just that - at least there your money will be put to the use you intend.
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Google is a massive energy user to power and cool its server farms. Even with their solar initiatives, much of the time that’s fossil fuel energy.Veni Vidi Decessi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:23 am A bit of advice here: look up the number of everyday items that are directly made from the oil industry (hint, it’s most consumer items). Even if you avoid directly investing in them, any company in which you invest is going to, in part, trickle back to an oil company. Even “carbon free” companies like Google still purchase office products, computers, etc that all are created from oil/natural gas. Their employees spend their salaries on oil-based items, etc...
You can certainly lessen your exposure to oil by this method of allocation, but I’m a firm believer that it will do pretty much nothing will be accomplished by people investing “responsibly”. It’s going to take a ground-breaking breakthrough to change the world’s production paradigm.
One option you could look at is investing in companies that have research funded that is aimed to do just that - at least there your money will be put to the use you intend.
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I think there is an appreciable difference between investing directly in fossil fuel companies versus investing in companies that offer services/products derived from energy, part of which, could be from fossil fuels. In the former case, I am directly contributing to and enabling the fossil fuel industry that has vested interests and tries to hinder the world's transition to cleaner energy. In the latter case, although I am still indirectly contributing some amount to the fossil fuel industry, my contributions to that industry will be lessened as companies move away from fossil fuels (some of the large companies, e.g., Apple, are taking major steps in this direction). There are other benefits to the latter approach, e.g., many companies buy carbon offsets to neutralize their carbon output etc.,Veni Vidi Decessi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:23 am A bit of advice here: look up the number of everyday items that are directly made from the oil industry (hint, it’s most consumer items). Even if you avoid directly investing in them, any company in which you invest is going to, in part, trickle back to an oil company. Even “carbon free” companies like Google still purchase office products, computers, etc that all are created from oil/natural gas. Their employees spend their salaries on oil-based items, etc...
You can certainly lessen your exposure to oil by this method of allocation, but I’m a firm believer that it will do pretty much nothing will be accomplished by people investing “responsibly”. It’s going to take a ground-breaking breakthrough to change the world’s production paradigm.
One option you could look at is investing in companies that have research funded that is aimed to do just that - at least there your money will be put to the use you intend.
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Knockknock, I appreciate the sentiment. We have, in the past 2 years, become net carbon neutral and have only a small use of fossil fuels (the holdout is a small propane generator to back up our solar and batteries). However, we still invest using broad based index funds.
There are some good recommendations upthread. Good on ya.
There are some good recommendations upthread. Good on ya.
I get the FI part but not the RE part of FIRE.
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I’m not sure your thesis about energy companies is correct. Most major companies these days have the mindset of innovate or die. Most likely the big energy companies will be at the forefront of developing and commercializing future viable non-carbon based energy sources (i.e., ones that are actually profitable on their own merits without government subsidies).knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:43 amI think there is an appreciable difference between investing directly in fossil fuel companies versus investing in companies that offer services/products derived from energy, part of which, could be from fossil fuels. In the former case, I am directly contributing to and enabling the fossil fuel industry that has vested interests and tries to hinder the world's transition to cleaner energy. In the latter case, although I am still indirectly contributing some amount to the fossil fuel industry, my contributions to that industry will be lessened as companies move away from fossil fuels (some of the large companies, e.g., Apple, are taking major steps in this direction). There are other benefits to the latter approach, e.g., many companies buy carbon offsets to neutralize their carbon output etc.,Veni Vidi Decessi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:23 am A bit of advice here: look up the number of everyday items that are directly made from the oil industry (hint, it’s most consumer items). Even if you avoid directly investing in them, any company in which you invest is going to, in part, trickle back to an oil company. Even “carbon free” companies like Google still purchase office products, computers, etc that all are created from oil/natural gas. Their employees spend their salaries on oil-based items, etc...
You can certainly lessen your exposure to oil by this method of allocation, but I’m a firm believer that it will do pretty much nothing will be accomplished by people investing “responsibly”. It’s going to take a ground-breaking breakthrough to change the world’s production paradigm.
One option you could look at is investing in companies that have research funded that is aimed to do just that - at least there your money will be put to the use you intend.
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Plastic is made from oil. There's only one car company in the world who doesn't use any plastic. Koenigsegg. Of course, it'll cost you several million dollars for a car and you'll probably have to get on a waiting list for a few years unless you're willing to buy used. I think Miller Motorcars in Stanford, CT has a used one on consignment.
As mentioned, all companies use oil. And many oil companies have diversified into regenerative energy sources.
Finally, your investment in XOM doesn't support XOM in any way. When you buy the stock, you're not buying it from the company, you're buying it from Joe and Daisy down the street who are selling to buy their first house. Why don't you like Joe and Daisy? What did they ever do to you?
As mentioned, all companies use oil. And many oil companies have diversified into regenerative energy sources.
Finally, your investment in XOM doesn't support XOM in any way. When you buy the stock, you're not buying it from the company, you're buying it from Joe and Daisy down the street who are selling to buy their first house. Why don't you like Joe and Daisy? What did they ever do to you?

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I was just having a similar conversation this weekend w/ my family. They're interested in getting started investing, but are not interested in investing in a lot of companies/industries for the reasons you describe. Additionally, they don't want to invest in companies that made large donations to the political ideologies that oppose theirs. Since most large companies have lobbyists and contribute to both sides of the aisle, this is pretty limiting.
I let them know that their existing 401k is surely invested already in these companies, which didn't seem to help the situation!
Here are a few resources I pointed out to them:
Rick Ferri's "Socially Conscious Core-4" Porfolio: https://core-4.com/esg-core-4-portfolio/ - This limits investment into tobacco, arms manufacturers, and non-sustainable environmental industries, among others. It still contains things like facebook which made large donations to the "other team", which didn't please my family.
I was able to find a REIT that appealed to them - HASI. While not an index, they're making real estate investments in solar and wind farms, this might be more up your alley.
Lastly (and the politics is now out of the bag), I found DEMZ - this is a large-cap index of 50 S&P500 companies who made more than 75% of their donations to the "blue team" - it leans toward an overweight in tech. In any case, it's got a reasonable-ish expense ratio (.45), and at least its an index spread across a handful of industries - I don't think you'll find fossil fuel companies there.
I get not wanting to invest in certain companies or industries, and I even agree with my family on this. Still, having the conversation was frustrating because it's really limiting - they are not interested in buying the whole haystack, and this can diminish your ability to diversify.
I let them know that their existing 401k is surely invested already in these companies, which didn't seem to help the situation!
Here are a few resources I pointed out to them:
Rick Ferri's "Socially Conscious Core-4" Porfolio: https://core-4.com/esg-core-4-portfolio/ - This limits investment into tobacco, arms manufacturers, and non-sustainable environmental industries, among others. It still contains things like facebook which made large donations to the "other team", which didn't please my family.
I was able to find a REIT that appealed to them - HASI. While not an index, they're making real estate investments in solar and wind farms, this might be more up your alley.
Lastly (and the politics is now out of the bag), I found DEMZ - this is a large-cap index of 50 S&P500 companies who made more than 75% of their donations to the "blue team" - it leans toward an overweight in tech. In any case, it's got a reasonable-ish expense ratio (.45), and at least its an index spread across a handful of industries - I don't think you'll find fossil fuel companies there.
I get not wanting to invest in certain companies or industries, and I even agree with my family on this. Still, having the conversation was frustrating because it's really limiting - they are not interested in buying the whole haystack, and this can diminish your ability to diversify.
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When politics crosses over to investing 

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Rather than shunning them, it might be good to research how some of the large companies are investing into alternatives. A true transition will require a shift of the traditional fossil fuel companies as well.
Equnior, Shell, BP, Engie are all shifting investment into alternatives and have net-zero timeline goals. Also, much of what these companies do is enabled by tech from Microsoft, Amazon and Google.
Equnior, Shell, BP, Engie are all shifting investment into alternatives and have net-zero timeline goals. Also, much of what these companies do is enabled by tech from Microsoft, Amazon and Google.
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I'm not going to wade into the political discussion or offer my opinions about whether this strategy makes sense logically, but I will say that what you want to achieve is possible, but at the cost of tremendous risk to your portfolio from non-diversification. There's a reason Bhs (and many others) use index funds.
If you plan to invest only in individual stocks or the very few "green" funds that exist, you should be prepared for major volatility and/or the potential loss of all your capital.
If you're unconcerned with risk, then you should invest your money in whatever (green) widgets you want.
If you plan to invest only in individual stocks or the very few "green" funds that exist, you should be prepared for major volatility and/or the potential loss of all your capital.
If you're unconcerned with risk, then you should invest your money in whatever (green) widgets you want.
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This might be one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
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Let's be respectful and helpful especially to newcomers on this site. If you have good advice on creating a portfolio as directed by the OP then please offer it. I have already deleted one post that was out of line and disrespectful. Please be considerate and stay focused on investing.
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Solyndra comes to mind. My guess is OP is too young to know bout. Really highlights dangers of companies that rely on subsidies.Admiral wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:34 am I'm not going to wade into the political discussion or offer my opinions about whether this strategy makes sense logically, but I will say that what you want to achieve is possible, but at the cost of tremendous risk to your portfolio from non-diversification. There's a reason Bhs (and many others) use index funds.
If you plan to invest only in individual stocks or the very few "green" funds that exist, you should be prepared for major volatility and/or the potential loss of all your capital.
If you're unconcerned with risk, then you should invest your money in whatever (green) widgets you want.
EDIT: OP, be mindful of companies that rely on subsidies for their business model. The subsidies may stop and render business untenable. And, in my view, subsidies can cause bad business. habits
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WIth all due respect to many of the people who have replied, the OP did not ask for opinions about whether not investing in fossil fuel stocks is a good idea. He/she asked HOW to do it.
OP: IShares has a number of ETF's which excludes certain companies (https://www.ishares.com/us/strategies/s ... -investing). Other investment companies have similar funds as well. They are usually referred to as "ESG" funds, so I would recommend doing a google search using that keyword to get other options.
These funds, however, not only exclude companies that invest in fossil fuels, but those that make money from weapons, tobacco, and other "controversial" industries. You'll have to decide for yourself whether that matters to you or not.

OP: IShares has a number of ETF's which excludes certain companies (https://www.ishares.com/us/strategies/s ... -investing). Other investment companies have similar funds as well. They are usually referred to as "ESG" funds, so I would recommend doing a google search using that keyword to get other options.
These funds, however, not only exclude companies that invest in fossil fuels, but those that make money from weapons, tobacco, and other "controversial" industries. You'll have to decide for yourself whether that matters to you or not.
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There is a good post from Money Moustache about this topic.
Check it on his blog.
[url][https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2020/08 ... esting/url]
This is a not a political issue, its about our impact on earth.
Check it on his blog.
[url][https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2020/08 ... esting/url]
This is a not a political issue, its about our impact on earth.
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I think people are just pointing out that defining these “green” pristine companies is difficult making the “how” impossible.humblecoder wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:00 am WIth all due respect to many of the people who have replied, the OP did not ask for opinions about whether not investing in fossil fuel stocks is a good idea. He/she asked HOW to do it.![]()
OP: IShares has a number of ETF's which excludes certain companies (https://www.ishares.com/us/strategies/s ... -investing). Other investment companies have similar funds as well. They are usually referred to as "ESG" funds, so I would recommend doing a google search using that keyword to get other options.
These funds, however, not only exclude companies that invest in fossil fuels, but those that make money from weapons, tobacco, and other "controversial" industries. You'll have to decide for yourself whether that matters to you or not.
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This is a fair point, but you are cherry picking an outlier. The trick is determining what constitutes a subsidy. It’s not unique to them—the oil industry certainly has benefitted from different forms of assistance. What one person views as “subsidy” may be another’s “tax break”, or whatever term you want to use.Firemenot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:53 amSolyndra comes to mind. My guess is OP is too young to know bout. Really highlights dangers of companies that rely on subsidies.Admiral wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:34 am I'm not going to wade into the political discussion or offer my opinions about whether this strategy makes sense logically, but I will say that what you want to achieve is possible, but at the cost of tremendous risk to your portfolio from non-diversification. There's a reason Bhs (and many others) use index funds.
If you plan to invest only in individual stocks or the very few "green" funds that exist, you should be prepared for major volatility and/or the potential loss of all your capital.
If you're unconcerned with risk, then you should invest your money in whatever (green) widgets you want.
EDIT: OP, be mindful of companies that rely on subsidies for their business model. The subsidies may stop and render business untenable. And, in my view, subsidies can cause bad business. habits
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Quick Google search yielded this site. Seems to aggregate and lay out the various funds of major players well. Could be a good starting point.
https://fossilfreefunds.org/families?q=Vanguard
https://fossilfreefunds.org/families?q=Vanguard
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I would probably use industry/sector funds and leave out the energy and materials sector... or just pick the sectors you're ok with.
A lot of "green" investors did very well in the recent past because they were (perhaps inadvertently) heavily focused in healthcare, real estate, and technology.
FWIW, being "100% fossil-fuel free" would be near impossible if you actually look at how anything actually operates. The Internet isn't run on solar power, packages aren't shipped on horse-back, concrete isn't mixed by hand.
A lot of "green" investors did very well in the recent past because they were (perhaps inadvertently) heavily focused in healthcare, real estate, and technology.
FWIW, being "100% fossil-fuel free" would be near impossible if you actually look at how anything actually operates. The Internet isn't run on solar power, packages aren't shipped on horse-back, concrete isn't mixed by hand.
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How do you live life without plastic? Genuinely curious here...knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:05 amTrying to be a bit more socially responsible that's all...
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I may be choosing an outlier with respect to overall market, but not the “green” industry. Without specific and targeted subsidies (and that’s the key — not just general business tax code deductions), many of these companies would die because consumers wouldn’t be willing to pay the actual price without the subsidies. Maybe the targeted subsidies won’t go away, but it’s a risk, especially if one is concentrating in those areas by excluding other industries. Anyhow ... this is starting to get off topic for OP so I’ll stop.angelescrest wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:20 amThis is a fair point, but you are cherry picking an outlier. The trick is determining what constitutes a subsidy. It’s not unique to them—the oil industry certainly has benefitted from different forms of assistance. What one person views as “subsidy” may be another’s “tax break”, or whatever term you want to use.Firemenot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:53 amSolyndra comes to mind. My guess is OP is too young to know bout. Really highlights dangers of companies that rely on subsidies.Admiral wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:34 am I'm not going to wade into the political discussion or offer my opinions about whether this strategy makes sense logically, but I will say that what you want to achieve is possible, but at the cost of tremendous risk to your portfolio from non-diversification. There's a reason Bhs (and many others) use index funds.
If you plan to invest only in individual stocks or the very few "green" funds that exist, you should be prepared for major volatility and/or the potential loss of all your capital.
If you're unconcerned with risk, then you should invest your money in whatever (green) widgets you want.
EDIT: OP, be mindful of companies that rely on subsidies for their business model. The subsidies may stop and render business untenable. And, in my view, subsidies can cause bad business. habits
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"our impact" Maybe if you had say "my impact". When you say "our", it's a social issue, and people who want other people to act a certain way is political.finanzfrau wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:13 am...
This is a not a political issue, its about our impact on earth.
"To achieve satisfactory investment results is easier than most people realize; to achieve superior results is harder than it looks." - Benjamin Graham
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Firemenot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:28 amI may be choosing an outlier with respect to overall market, but not the “green” industry. Without specific and targeted subsidies (and that’s the key — not just general business tax code deductions), many of these companies would die because consumers wouldn’t be willing to pay the actual price without the subsidies. Maybe the targeted subsidies won’t go away, but it’s a risk, especially if one is concentrating in those areas by excluding other industries. Anyhow ... this is starting to get off topic for OP so I’ll stop.angelescrest wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:20 amThis is a fair point, but you are cherry picking an outlier. The trick is determining what constitutes a subsidy. It’s not unique to them—the oil industry certainly has benefitted from different forms of assistance. What one person views as “subsidy” may be another’s “tax break”, or whatever term you want to use.Firemenot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:53 amSolyndra comes to mind. My guess is OP is too young to know bout. Really highlights dangers of companies that rely on subsidies.Admiral wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:34 am I'm not going to wade into the political discussion or offer my opinions about whether this strategy makes sense logically, but I will say that what you want to achieve is possible, but at the cost of tremendous risk to your portfolio from non-diversification. There's a reason Bhs (and many others) use index funds.
If you plan to invest only in individual stocks or the very few "green" funds that exist, you should be prepared for major volatility and/or the potential loss of all your capital.
If you're unconcerned with risk, then you should invest your money in whatever (green) widgets you want.
EDIT: OP, be mindful of companies that rely on subsidies for their business model. The subsidies may stop and render business untenable. And, in my view, subsidies can cause bad business. habits
I miss the days when Tesla plastered the federal tax subsidies all over their website when you configured a new build....
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One nice thing about this board is that despite some humble bragging in posts, I think people generally live unassuming lives hereJoMoney wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:30 am"our impact" Maybe if you had say "my impact". When you say "our", it's a social issue, and people who want other people to act a certain way is political.finanzfrau wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:13 am...
This is a not a political issue, its about our impact on earth.
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One can make a serious dent in how much plastic products one uses, and especially on how much plastic one throws away without recycling. "Reduced" isn't as good as "without," but it's better than making no changes. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
I get the FI part but not the RE part of FIRE.
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TomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:37 amOne can make a serious dent in how much plastic products one uses, and especially on how much plastic one throws away without recycling. "Reduced" isn't as good as "without," but it's better than making no changes. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
I completely agree. Though I see a ton of single use stuff in places like NYC and SF
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Even if you place recyclable plastic in recycling bins, there’s so little demand for it that in many places it just gets land filled anyhow — not so with metal cans.Helo80 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:38 amTomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:37 amOne can make a serious dent in how much plastic products one uses, and especially on how much plastic one throws away without recycling. "Reduced" isn't as good as "without," but it's better than making no changes. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
I completely agree. Though I see a ton of single use stuff in places like NYC and SF
Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
Once again, this is not a post about a fossil fuel debate. Stay focused on portfolio investments as requested by the OP. Moderator
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Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
Oh goodness. When you define political this broadly (ie, "people who want other people to act a certain way is political"), then every thread about Roths, and trusts, and recommending Darned Tough socks is political. Shut down the whole web site ferchristsake.JoMoney wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:30 am"our impact" Maybe if you had say "my impact". When you say "our", it's a social issue, and people who want other people to act a certain way is political.finanzfrau wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:13 am...
This is a not a political issue, its about our impact on earth.
I get the FI part but not the RE part of FIRE.
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Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
The OP poster was very clear what his/her definition was. He/she wants a portfolio that is 100% free of oil company stocks. I don't think there was much ambiguity.Wricha wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:14 amI think people are just pointing out that defining these “green” pristine companies is difficult making the “how” impossible.humblecoder wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:00 am WIth all due respect to many of the people who have replied, the OP did not ask for opinions about whether not investing in fossil fuel stocks is a good idea. He/she asked HOW to do it.![]()
OP: IShares has a number of ETF's which excludes certain companies (https://www.ishares.com/us/strategies/s ... -investing). Other investment companies have similar funds as well. They are usually referred to as "ESG" funds, so I would recommend doing a google search using that keyword to get other options.
These funds, however, not only exclude companies that invest in fossil fuels, but those that make money from weapons, tobacco, and other "controversial" industries. You'll have to decide for yourself whether that matters to you or not.
Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
It looks like SPYX is an ETF that tracks the S&P 500 but with the oil and gas companies removed. This might be the closest to a Bogleheads solution available. Of course, it probably still contains companies like the airlines, whose business is literally fueled by oil.
Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
One approach is to invest in index fund that includes the stocks you do not want to support but then to dedicate a percentage of your portfolio in companies that offset this with clean energy like wind and solar so that combined your net portfolio is positive towards the goals that you want to support.knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:00 am For example, VTSAX has a 6% investment in fossil fuels ......
Another approach would be to give 6% of your portfolio earnings to a charity that supports clean energy. I could be mistaken but I vaguely remember people posting about doing this when they had strict religious restrictions on how they could invest.
Either of these would also help you get around the problem of defining just what a "fossil fuel" company is since that could also include companies like car companies that sell fossil fuel cars or use lots of fossil fuels like the Amazon delivery trucks. That could also be seen as helping to offset the fossil fuels that you directly or indirectly use.
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Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
The move away from fossil fuels will be a long one. Definitely won't happen in your lifetime. But it does start with us. Invest in solar.
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Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
As long as fossil fuel companies are not selling additional stock to the public (I don't think this is at all common these days), you will not be directly funding fossil fuel companies by buying their stock in an index fund like Vanguard's Total Market Index. You will be buying shares of fossil fuel companies from other people who want to sell them. I don't see how buying a share of a fossil fuel company from your neighbor down the street or a pension fund in Austria directly funds a fossil fuel company.Of course, I understand that the world runs on oil. I just don't want to directly fund fossil fuel companies by investing in them.
BTW I have this same problem with the divestment drive that many students and faculty at colleges and universities have to pressure their endowment managers. If people sell enough stock in fossil fuel companies to depress the stock price, I'm sure there are enough investors operating with fewer moral or philosophical constraints somewhere in the world to buy the stock because it is a good financial investment at a lower price.
I do think you can make the case that fossil fuel companies profit potential is limited as the world moves away from fossil fuels. But that is picking winners, which is not favored by Bogleheads.
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Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
Vanguard has low cost sector ETFs, which I would weight to try to recreate the total market excluding energy companies.
Communication Services- VOX
Consumer Discretionary- VCR
Consumer Staples- VDC
Financials- VFH
Health Care- VHT
Industrials- VIS
Information Technology- VGT
Real Estate- VNQ
Utilities- VPU
Exclude:
Energy- VDE
Materials- VAW
Communication Services- VOX
Consumer Discretionary- VCR
Consumer Staples- VDC
Financials- VFH
Health Care- VHT
Industrials- VIS
Information Technology- VGT
Real Estate- VNQ
Utilities- VPU
Exclude:
Energy- VDE
Materials- VAW
50% VTI / 50% VXUS
Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
One more thought. Perhaps you could just buy low cost sector index ETFs in their relative percentages to the overall market and just exclude the energy sector ETF. That would seem to accomplish your goals of avoiding direct investment, while still keeping costs low and avoiding added costs of active management funds.
Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
You beat me! I was typing message at same timenimo956 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:54 am Vanguard has low cost sector ETFs, which I would weight to try to recreate the total market excluding energy companies.
Communication Services- VOX
Consumer Discretionary- VCR
Consumer Staples- VDC
Financials- VFH
Health Care- VHT
Industrials- VIS
Information Technology- VGT
Real Estate- VNQ
Utilities- VPU
Exclude:
Energy- VDE
Materials- VAW
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Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
I would respectfully suggest that by avoiding investing today's leading energy companies, you may be hindering the development of alternative energy sources. For example:knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:43 am I think there is an appreciable difference between investing directly in fossil fuel companies versus investing in companies that offer services/products derived from energy, part of which, could be from fossil fuels. In the former case, I am directly contributing to and enabling the fossil fuel industry that has vested interests and tries to hinder the world's transition to cleaner energy.
"BP PLC has unveiled the most aggressive plans yet by a major oil company to pivot toward cleaner energy. But the revamp has so far failed to ignite enthusiasm among investors despite growing interest in renewables. The British energy giant’s strategy—the biggest overhaul in its 111-year history—calls for a 40% reduction in oil-and-gas production over the coming decade, greater investment in low-carbon energy and a ramp-up in wind and solar power. No other major oil company has targeted such a steep decline in their main source of profit." https://www.wsj.com/articles/bp-bets-fu ... 1601402304
BP took a major publicity hit and faced boycotts after the Gulf oil spill. They seem to be making up for it.
Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:06 amThanks for your reply. What does "direct indexing" mean?theorist wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:51 am If you’re happy to sign on to other socially conscious causes as well, an ESG fund like this one from Vanguard
https://investor.vanguard.com/etf/profile/ESGV
may serve your purpose.
If you just want to avoid fossil fuels, or have more specific target exclusions than ESG funds that you can find, maybe consider “direct indexing.” It may also have tax loss harvesting benefits anyway. Though it comes with higher expense ratios, and is probably suitable for investors with significant holdings.knockknock wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:00 am Total market funds, that are central to the bogleheads investing strategy, have some portion invested into fossil fuel stocks. For example, VTSAX has a 6% investment in fossil fuels (e.g: ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Dominion etc.,). Going forward, I would like to have a portfolio that is 100% free of fossil fuel stocks. I am willing to take on the additional risk I am exposed to by not being invested in the whole market. Any boglehead attempt a completely fossil fuel free portfolio or have advice on building one?
If it helps: I am 28 yrs old and work at a tech megacorp with a salary of 230k with a net worth of 200k.
Direct indexing is when the individual securities — or enough to faithfully reproduce whatever you’re trying to track — are directly purchased, maybe in fractional shares, in your account. The correct ratio is purchased to represent the index you’re tracking. Then, it is easy to individually taylor the portfolio to include whatever restrictions the investor wants. E.g. S&P 500 but no tobacco, oil, or technology, to pick a random example.
A big reason people consider this is that — on top of designer exclusions as above — it allows for some efficiencies with tax loss harvesting. So over some period, it allows for potential gains over a normal index fund. Of course it is much more laborious, involves trading, and so forth, so the extra costs may reduce any potential gains.
A recent podcast about this is here:
https://theirrelevantinvestor.com/2020/ ... -indexing/
For transparency, I can say that I do NOT direct index myself

Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
KnockKnock, here are a couple of links on fossil-free funds
https://www.morningstar.com/insights/20 ... -fuel-free
https://www.greenamerica.org/putting-bi ... -fuel-free
Paul
https://www.morningstar.com/insights/20 ... -fuel-free
https://www.greenamerica.org/putting-bi ... -fuel-free
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Re: Need advice for building a 100% fossil-fuel stock free portfolio
Check out SPXE -- https://www.proshares.com/funds/spxe.html -- it may get you most of the way there.