I’ve got 50K to invest in an ultra aggressive portfolio—seeking growth to 1 Million

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In fairy tales the travelers would be warned of Trolls when crossing bridges in a dark place. I think it is time for such a warning.
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If you have accumulated $50k In “a short amount of time“, then repeat what you did 20 times. Then you will have a million dollars.

No, I'm not going to ask how you did it, because I suspect that’s what you secretly hope to accomplish. :annoyed
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Bogleheads is about getting rich slowly. Saving money, investing in a low cost diversified portfolio, and watching the money compound over decades. If you follow the principles consistently, you will get rich. But it will be boring as heck.

There’s a getting started page on the wiki if you’re interested in becoming a Boglehead.

Otherwise, yeah. WallStBets is where you’ll find what you seek.
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Wow!! This forum is replete with get-rich-quick folks willing to risk everything for a quick payout lol ! Who knew?
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tdmp wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:32 pm
MotoTrojan wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:09 pm
Jdahlen wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:06 pm Maybe go to WallStreetBets.
I discovered WallStreetBets about 1 year ago. I do go there from time to time to reaffirm that Boglehead way is generally the better way to "invest". But I have seen some got rich really, really quick.
Many more got poor quickly. If I put $100K on a number in roulette I have a chance to get rich quickly. Same for the lottery.
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I smell a troll :-)
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Jdahlen wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:06 pm Not talking days, weeks, or months here fellas. Im talking basic investing in common stocks in what you might believe may be the next big winner.

Is it airlines? [Political comment removed by Mod Misenplace] Is it BioTech? It's not TESLA,[Implied expletive removed by Mod Misenplace] I get you all, it's not a casino either, but im looking for suggestions and advice outside of the usual 401K and retirement allocations--that's all fellas.
Here's the deal - no one knows the "next big winner." If they tell you they do, they're lying. How many Warren Buffets are there? How many people are out there instead posting opinion pieces on various financial "investing" blogs/websites/podcasts/etc (these used to be newsletters that people subscribed to) - lots. How many of those people are billionaires? Zero. If someone could know how to consistently beat the market - they would be a billionaire and have no reason to sell you a newsletter to tell your their "secret."

Takeaway: "Nobody knows nuthin."
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"Ultra aggressive" does not imply investment; it implies gambling. This is not the place to get gambling advice. May I suggest reading up on investing, starting with the wiki here at bogleheads.
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jdb wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:38 pm In fairy tales the travelers would be warned of Trolls when crossing bridges in a dark place. I think it is time for such a warning.
Yeah, um actually I think this post is rather reflective of today's trading habits and more typical than atypical.

In fact, the WSJ reports options are being used in record volumes and are up 92% in usage over a year earlier.

Their chart shows 10 years ago they were at 0.3X stock share volumes. Now they are at 1.2X.

The implications for understanding this are that volatility could be higher as a result. I kinda feel like this should be discussed in the "abandon bonds" threads when people say just go with a higher equity allocation.

Anyway, if the OP wants to find the next stock and lever it to a shocking degree, it seems less like trolling based on what people are actually doing with real money and more like an indication that many are not really aware of how such things often play out or what a better strategy is.
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As long as we're dreaming, can anyone advise me-

How I should ask Margot Robbie for her hand in marriage?
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TheLaughingCow wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:23 am As long as we're dreaming, can anyone advise me-

How I should ask Margot Robbie for her hand in marriage?
Easy... get $50k and invest it per this thread. Then launch a YouTube channel selling your advice. Assuming she is a millennial who can’t resist a social media star ... just ask her.

So yeah, part of that is true. I’m amazed these days how so many believe something is credible because part of it might actually be true.

Anyway, surely someone has a success story for ultra aggressive investing paying off (that likely ignores other failures).
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Jdahlen wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:06 pm Not talking days, weeks, or months here fellas. Im talking basic investing in common stocks in what you might believe may be the next big winner.

Is it airlines? [Political comment removed by Mod Misenplace] Is it BioTech? It's not TESLA,[Implied expletive removed by Mod Misenplace] I get you all, it's not a casino either, but im looking for suggestions and advice outside of the usual 401K and retirement allocations--that's all fellas.
Biotech! The race to cure cancer is on....the problem is there are about 100+ companies with trials, most of them which may or may not get approved may prolong life for some period of time but few cure their targets. Choose poorly and you can see your $50k become $2k in short order. Recent examples of how fast money flows out - Biomarin has a candidate in Phase 3 trials, went for FDA approval. FDA comes back and says we want to see an extra years of trial data which results in 4 month plus delay of having those results. The stock went from $125 and is currently $71. Now imagine you had $50k in it and the next day you had $25k, is that the kind of ride you like?
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typical.investor wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:14 am
jdb wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:38 pm In fairy tales the travelers would be warned of Trolls when crossing bridges in a dark place. I think it is time for such a warning.
Yeah, um actually I think this post is rather reflective of today's trading habits and more typical than atypical.

In fact, the WSJ reports options are being used in record volumes and are up 92% in usage over a year earlier.

Their chart shows 10 years ago they were at 0.3X stock share volumes. Now they are at 1.2X.

The implications for understanding this are that volatility could be higher as a result. I kinda feel like this should be discussed in the "abandon bonds" threads when people say just go with a higher equity allocation.

Anyway, if the OP wants to find the next stock and lever it to a shocking degree, it seems less like trolling based on what people are actually doing with real money and more like an indication that many are not really aware of how such things often play out or what a better strategy is.
There is going to be a new cohort of “wannabe struck it rich in the stock market” who will be eschewing equities after the next crash. Everyone wants to be Daddy Warbucks rich yesterday. Most rich people did not get there from the stock market and if they did, it was over a very long period of time - like 50 years! My very wealthy relatives got there by buying stocks people were giving away as being dead and avoiding the fancy hot flyers everybody is chasing. We call that value investing here. But it’s all relative, one investing $1 a day will generally accumulate less than one who saves $100 a day.
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Brianmcg321 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:04 am Ultra aggressive?

25% AAPL
25% TSLA
25% AMZN
25% FB

Or

100% TQQQ

Stock up on Rolaids.
I think 100% VTSAX is the pure Boglehead play that is still plenty aggressive.

Stock picking, I’d do:

10% AAPL
10% TSLA
10% AMZN
10% FB
10% GOOGL
10% MSFT
10% Nvidia
10% Intel
10% AMD
10% Small Cap Value (SCV)

Recognizing that there’s a good chance several of those could go bankrupt over the next few decades. Hopefully the return of the others would make up for it.

Or something like:

50/50 QQQ/SCV.

That’s betting that SCV and tech will outperform the total market by a few percent per year. Over a couple decades that adds up.
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best way to a million is to spend the money investing in yourself, so you garner higher wages, management position, stock options. Invest in learning leadership, collaboration, teamwork, or finance and leverage it to do better in your job (or a new job) to earn more money. You can get to a million pretty fast. Use the money to learn to work smarter than others and take care of yourself more.
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What you are looking for is a 20-bagger. Many successful investors never experience a 20-bagger in their lifetimes. Certainly, any single stock we can throw at you has only a modest chance of appreciating that much in 10-20 years.

However, since you ask, I'd probably invest in smallish firm in the medical field with potential for explosive growth based on some breakthrough.
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Go to Vegas. Put it on Black five times in a row.

Or, get a time machine. Go to 2009. Buy Apple.
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Small Savanna wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:00 am Go to Vegas. Put it on Black five times in a row.
And if you like gambling, the feeling after winning four times in a row will be worth it even when you don’t win the fifth.

Thus, I think it makes sense from a survival standpoint that most have a larger aversion to loss than they have attraction to an equal sized gain.

Or we’d always be in ludicrous mode in a vehicle with no brakes. Fastest way to get there for sure as not getting there feels similar to a win.
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I'm very serious about this: would you really mind losing it all? Don't just say so quickly, with the mental reservation that you don't think it could really happen. Assume it really, truly, could happen. Are you OK with that?
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market time UPRO and SPXU good luck.
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Devil's Advocate wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:23 am Why limit growth to just one million?

DA
Even if you want more than one million dollars you still have to get a million before two or three million. One step at a time.
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nisiprius wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:44 am I'm very serious about this: would you really mind losing it all? Don't just say so quickly, with the mental reservation that you don't think it could really happen. Assume it really, truly, could happen. Are you OK with that?
Ah, yes - the old Fred Schwed quote: "There are certain things that cannot be adequately explained to a virgin either by words or pictures. Nor can any description that I might offer here even approximate what it feels like to lose a real chunk of money that you used to own."
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Jdahlen wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:06 pm Not talking days, weeks, or months here fellas. Im talking basic investing in common stocks in what you might believe may be the next big winner.
If I KNEW what the “big winner” would be, I would put all my money there.

But I don’t know what the big winner will be. Nobody does (no matter what they say).

That’s why I (and the majority of folks on this Board) buy a wide variety of stocks through broadly diversified mutual funds.

Whatever the next “big winner” is, I expect that I’ll own a tiny part of it through my mutual funds.
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definitely options.

afterall isn't that what all the smart kids are doing today on robinhood?

let us know how that goes for you.

otherwise read this if/when you're ready to stop playing with your money:

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started
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Foolproof investment advice on how to make a million dollars: "First, get a million dollars..." (Steve Martin).
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I know these responses aren't what you are looking for. In seriousness, put it in VTI and wait about 40-50 years. Or keep accumulating that sum quickly and keep contributing. Do it in 10 years.
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