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dead cat mouse

Post by k1982 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:59 am

would you consider today (Tuesday) 3/24/2020 'dead cat bounce'? at least as of 10 am central time
love to hear your thoughts ..

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by k1982 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:00 am

lol i'm sorry it should of said dead cat BOUNCE

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Post by alex_686 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:01 am

Won't know until next Monday.

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by chevca » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:01 am

Musta been a heck of a mouse! :happy

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by Hyperchicken » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:01 am

Sometimes the cat eats the mouse, and sometimes the mouse, well, it eats the cat.

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by k1982 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:05 am

the first few comments already made my day. first time i laughed in a while :) thanks guys

i guess i helped start the joke with my error ...just woke up

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Post by Sandtrap » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:09 am

If a cat eats a dead mouse that has been poisoned, the cat will get sick or die.

So. . .dead cat and dead mouse. :confused

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by chevca » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:10 am

I agree though, it's too early to tell. It could end up down again today, could be a return to sanity, or who knows...

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Post by Keenobserver » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:14 am

i like to believe so. I havent bought too much thinking we got some way to go to bottom. Everything is up like 25%, dont think wi hold..assuming a decline after lunch

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Post by CyclingDuo » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:17 am

k1982 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:59 am
would you consider today (Tuesday) 3/24/2020 'dead cat bounce'? at least as of 10 am central time
love to hear your thoughts ..
Or, in the case of the narrative surrounding Covid19, maybe the title should have been a dead bat...
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by frugaltigris » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:17 am

This bounce seems to indicate that the market has not really priced this catastrophic event wisely. By end of this week when we have more cases than China, the bear will be back to devour. Never play with an angry bear.
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by livesoft » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:18 am

It will all depend on your fellow speculators investors and their actions which you cannot really predict. Just remember the government is going to give away a lot of free money and that usually helps the stock market until a hangover sets in.
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Re: dead cat and dead mouse

Post by alex_686 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:19 am

Sandtrap wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:09 am
If a cat eats a dead mouse that has been poisoned, the cat will get sick or die.

So. . .dead cat and dead mouse. :confused
No, he is talking about mouse named Cat. Or a Cat named mouse. Not sure which one.

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by JD13 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:26 am

Seems like both cat and mouse are dead because of COVID-19, so there's no one left to play the investing game .

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Post by sd323232 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:27 am

whats dead cat mouse? learn something new everyday

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by Kenkat » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:32 am

Tom and Jerry. Just remember, Jerry always ends up ok in the end.

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by willthrill81 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:36 am

frugaltigris wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:17 am
This bounce seems to indicate that the market has not really priced this catastrophic event wisely. By end of this week when we have more cases than China, the bear will be back to devour. Never play with an angry bear.
We've already seen six dead cat bounces this month. I trust today's spike about as much as a politician holding my wallet.
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Post by Dottie57 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:55 am

willthrill81 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:36 am
frugaltigris wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:17 am
This bounce seems to indicate that the market has not really priced this catastrophic event wisely. By end of this week when we have more cases than China, the bear will be back to devour. Never play with an angry bear.
We've already seen six dead cat bounces this month. I trust today's spike about as much as a politician holding my wallet.
Too funny.

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Post by yohac » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:04 am

willthrill81 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:36 am
We've already seen six dead cat bounces this month. I trust today's spike about as much as a politician holding my wallet.
We are totally in "sell the rally" mode. Haven't had two consecutive up days since early February. If you could slide down the Dow chart from the last month, MAN would that hurt.

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Post by Watty » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:15 am

It is easy to try to see patterns when there are not any.

I would just classify it as high volatility, both up and down.

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Re: dead cat bounce (was mouse)

Post by Peculiar_Investor » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:16 am

k1982 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:00 am
lol i'm sorry it should of said dead cat BOUNCE
Click the pencil icon (Edit post) in your first post and you can fix the subject if you want.

Apparently the dead cat bounced from here 😉
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by 22twain » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:22 am

willthrill81 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:36 am
We've already seen six dead cat bounces this month.
Three more to go... :wink:
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by k1982 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:28 am

i didn't know you can edit your own posts. i just saw the option. thank you
but right now i don't really want to edit it anymore cause of the humor in this
i need a good laugh. everyone has been so serious lately

laughter is best medicine

we all know this is clearly a dead cat bounce
zoom is down 12% while the whole stock market is near intraday highs again.
suuuuuurrree *smh*

smoke and mirrors

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by xraygoggles » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:37 am

I think this is clearly a false rally.

Things are going to go downhill once virus ramps up in the larger southern states without lockdown measures.
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Post by 2020 ButClassic » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:41 am

This could be the buy-on-the-news stage. But hopefully the downward pressure has at least subsided.

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Post by Nicolas » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:45 am

This rally can’t be real without capitulation first, which I don’t think we’ve seen. Still, it feels good. Norwegian Cruise Lines up 45%!
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by Kakarot » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:53 am

New to investing, never dealt with the 08 crisis, wounding if this is a good time to catch a little lightning in a bottle to get back a few% and move what money I can to a low interest saving for a few months until things start to normalize. I am just spit balling and guessing that if the fed reserve is going to assist the market, the people closer to the their designated retirement date might liquidate and take the loss, creating a weird fluctuation in the market for a few months.

thanks.

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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by frugaltigris » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am

This title inspires to understand a generalization of Schrodinger's cat paradox by including a mouse. Options would be:

1. is cat alive along with the mouse?
2. is cat alive but mouse is dead (more likely)
3. is mouse alive with a dead cat (quantum mechanics will say not impossible)
4. mouse and cat are both dead

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Post by framus » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:38 pm

frugaltigris wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am
This title inspires to understand a generalization of Schrodinger's cat paradox by including a mouse. Options would be:

1. is cat alive along with the mouse?
2. is cat alive but mouse is dead (more likely)
3. is mouse alive with a dead cat (quantum mechanics will say not impossible)
4. mouse and cat are both dead
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by the way » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:40 pm

chevca wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:01 am
Musta been a heck of a mouse! :happy
This virus really is turning out to be the "Mouse that Roared". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdsXhod2Tbw

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Post by junior » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:42 pm

Kakarot wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:53 am
New to investing, never dealt with the 08 crisis, wounding if this is a good time to catch a little lightning in a bottle to get back a few% and move what money I can to a low interest saving for a few months until things start to normalize. I am just spit balling and guessing that if the fed reserve is going to assist the market, the people closer to the their designated retirement date might liquidate and take the loss, creating a weird fluctuation in the market for a few months.

thanks.
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by DiploInvestor » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:44 pm

It'll just be a Modest (dead cat) Mouse.
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Post by Chip » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:21 pm

xraygoggles wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:37 am
I think this is clearly a false rally.

Things are going to go downhill once virus ramps up in the larger southern states without lockdown measures.
Nothing is clear. You don't know what the market is anticipating, though it surely knows that there are states without lockdown measures. The market can rally strongly in the face of bad news. The news was AWFUL on 3/6/09, yet that was the bottom.

This might be a false rally. But I know enough to know that I don't know.

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Post by 22twain » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:25 pm

frugaltigris wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am
This title inspires to understand a generalization of Schrodinger's cat paradox by including a mouse. Options would be:

1. is cat alive along with the mouse?
2. is cat alive but mouse is dead (more likely)
3. is mouse alive with a dead cat (quantum mechanics will say not impossible)
4. mouse and cat are both dead
Maybe we should call this a "Heisen-bounce." :happy
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Post by Peculiar_Investor » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:37 pm

k1982 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:59 am
would you consider today (Tuesday) 3/24/2020 'dead cat bounce'? at least as of 10 am central time
love to hear your thoughts ..
Even I did, there is nothing in my investment policy statement that mentions anything about dead cat mouse bounces, nor any other market timing indicator for that matter.

I'll leave it to the media, and others, to categorize what happened today and what it should be called. I just ignore that noise.
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Post by FelixTheCat » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:40 pm

What is a Dead Cat Bounce?

A dead cat bounce is a temporary recovery of asset prices from a prolonged decline or a bear market that is followed by the continuation of the downtrend. A dead cat bounce is a small, short-lived recovery in the price of a declining security, such as a stock. Frequently, downtrends are interrupted by brief periods of recovery — or small rallies — where prices temporarily rise.

The name "dead cat bounce" is based on the notion that even a dead cat will bounce if it falls far enough and fast enough.
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Re: dead cat mouse

Post by PDX_Traveler » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:50 pm

frugaltigris wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am
This title inspires to understand a generalization of Schrodinger's cat paradox by including a mouse. Options would be:

1. is cat alive along with the mouse?
2. is cat alive but mouse is dead (more likely)
3. is mouse alive with a dead cat (quantum mechanics will say not impossible)
4. mouse and cat are both dead
this leaves out other important options such as:
    mouse and/or cat are both alive and dead ... (or topically, both are asymptomatic carriers of a virus)
      if no one is there to observe the mouse and / or cat, are they alive or dead? does it matter (ob. investing link - what are the connections to the doings in the financial markets)

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      Post by Double Dog » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:57 pm

      instant classic post title

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      Post by stocknoob4111 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:57 pm

      k1982 wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:59 am
      would you consider today (Tuesday) 3/24/2020 'dead cat bounce'? at least as of 10 am central time
      love to hear your thoughts ..
      yes, look at 3/12 to 3/13, S&*P 500 rose 231 points and then fell 325 points the very next day!

      Today we rose 209 points... I think the general trend is down to 2000.

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      Post by personal_investing » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:08 pm

      k1982 wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:28 am
      i didn't know you can edit your own posts. i just saw the option. thank you
      but right now i don't really want to edit it anymore cause of the humor in this
      i need a good laugh. everyone has been so serious lately

      laughter is best medicine

      we all know this is clearly a dead cat bounce
      zoom is down 12% while the whole stock market is near intraday highs again.
      suuuuuurrree *smh*

      smoke and mirrors
      what is 'zoom'?

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      Post by lakpr » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:16 pm

      personal_investing wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:08 pm
      what is 'zoom'?
      Zoom video communications, its software is used by many who work from home.
      https://zoom.us/

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      Post by Teague » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:21 pm

      frugaltigris wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am
      This title inspires to understand a generalization of Schrodinger's cat paradox by including a mouse. Options would be:

      1. is cat alive along with the mouse?
      2. is cat alive but mouse is dead (more likely)
      3. is mouse alive with a dead cat (quantum mechanics will say not impossible)
      4. mouse and cat are both dead
      Entangled cat and mouse at opposite "ends" of the universe, where the state of each is both unknown and dependent on the other?
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      Post by retire2022 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:43 pm

      personal_investing wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:08 pm
      k1982 wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:28 am
      i didn't know you can edit your own posts. i just saw the option. thank you
      but right now i don't really want to edit it anymore cause of the humor in this
      i need a good laugh. everyone has been so serious lately

      laughter is best medicine

      we all know this is clearly a dead cat bounce
      zoom is down 12% while the whole stock market is near intraday highs again.
      suuuuuurrree *smh*

      smoke and mirrors
      what is 'zoom'?
      I think K1982 is referring to Zoom stock which does video conferencing for buisnesses

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Video_Communications

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      Post by lessismore22 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:49 pm

      willthrill81 wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:36 am
      frugaltigris wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:17 am
      This bounce seems to indicate that the market has not really priced this catastrophic event wisely. By end of this week when we have more cases than China, the bear will be back to devour. Never play with an angry bear.
      We've already seen six dead cat bounces this month. I trust today's spike about as much as a politician holding my wallet.
      This is terrific.

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      Post by retire2022 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:53 pm

      Op how about a six toed cat?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyl_cat

      History and folklore
      Right front paw of a polydactyl cat. Circles represent digits. The circle with a question mark indicates what might be a separate digit. The rightmost circle is for a small, underdeveloped, clawless digit.
      Preaxial polydactyly, Hemingway mutant: frequency of polydactylous digits per individual

      The condition seems to be most commonly found in cats along the East Coast of North America (in the United States and Canada)[4] and in South West England, Wales and Kingston-upon-Hull.[citation needed] Polydactyl cats have been extremely popular as ship's cats.[4] Although there is some controversy over whether the most common variant of the trait originated as a mutation in New England or was brought there from Britain, there seems to be agreement that it spread widely as a result of cats carried on ships originating in Boston, Massachusetts, and the prevalence of polydactyly among the cat population of various ports correlates with the dates when they first established trade with Boston.[4] Contributing to the spread of polydactyl cats by this means, sailors were long known to value polydactyl cats especially for their extraordinary climbing and hunting abilities as an aid in controlling shipboard rodents.[4] Some sailors thought they bring good luck at sea.[4] The rarity of polydactyl cats in Europe may be because they were hunted and killed due to superstitions about witchcraft.[4]

      Genetic work studying the DNA basis of the condition indicates that many different mutations in the same ZRS area can all lead to polydactyly.[1]

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      Post by tvubpwcisla » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:00 pm

      I think volatility will remain for quite some time, maybe even throughout the year with the election coming up as well. We will see some large up days like today and we will see some extremely bad days as well. At the end of 2020, I expect the market to settle in somewhere between plus or minus 10 to 15%.
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      Post by AspireToRetire » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:42 pm

      tvubpwcisla wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:00 pm
      I think volatility will remain for quite some time, maybe even throughout the year with the election coming up as well. We will see some large up days like today and we will see some extremely bad days as well. At the end of 2020, I expect the market to settle in somewhere between plus or minus 10 to 15%.
      Lol that’s a 30% range!

      Me too. My guess is the market will be either positive or negative by year end. :wink:

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      Post by RudyS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:47 pm

      Someone mentioned Norwegian Cruise Lines. Reminds me of GM. Quite a few folks bought it before it finally went under.

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      Post by averagedude » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:49 pm

      Been a while since the markets had had 2 trading days in a row of positive gains. I look for it to be down tomorrow, but only slightly.

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      Post by Samosa22 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:57 pm

      AspireToRetire wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:42 pm
      tvubpwcisla wrote:
      Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:00 pm
      I think volatility will remain for quite some time, maybe even throughout the year with the election coming up as well. We will see some large up days like today and we will see some extremely bad days as well. At the end of 2020, I expect the market to settle in somewhere between plus or minus 10 to 15%.
      Lol that’s a 30% range!

      Me too. My guess is the market will be either positive or negative by year end. :wink:
      @AspireToRetire, would be funny if market ends up at exactly zero net gain/loss.

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