Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

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Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by bertilak » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:02 pm

Can Vanguard be set up to withhold taxes on dividends?

I think the answer is "no" because I could not find anything on their website, other than withholding taxes on RMDs.

But, perhaps I am wrong, so I put the question here. I will also give them a call Monday.
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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by dharrythomas » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:39 pm

You can do it, but they make it hard if you said you weren't subject to backup withholding when you opened your account (unless things have changed). I asked about it years ago and they said something about a signature with a medallion guarantee for all owners of the account.

I suspect it is harder than a standard transaction because it is an individual cost, but it should be simple and they should be set up to withhold taxes on RMDs and for those subject to backup withholding.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by bertilak » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:52 pm

dharrythomas wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:39 pm
You can do it, but they make it hard if you said you weren't subject to backup withholding when you opened your account (unless things have changed). I asked about it years ago and they said something about a signature with a medallion guarantee for all owners of the account.

I suspect it is harder than a standard transaction because it is an individual cost, but it should be simple and they should be set up to withhold taxes on RMDs and for those subject to backup withholding.
Can you explain backup withholding?

I already do withholding from RMDs and want to do it for taxable dividends as well.
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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by Gill » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:10 pm

Why not just withhold more from the RMD’s?
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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by Dandy » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:44 pm

I had distributions withheld in taxable accounts at Vanguard on the old platform. When they switched to the brokerage platform that stopped (without notification to me). When I found out I asked my rep and she said it wasn't possible on the brokerage platform. RMDs on the brokerage platform can have Federal and State withholding when I had my first RMD earlier this year.

I would like withholding on taxable distributions instead of paying estimated taxes.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by bertilak » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:39 pm

Gill wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:10 pm
Why not just withhold more from the RMD’s?
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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by bertilak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:24 am

I found this website: Estimated Tax Payments - Electronic Federal Tax Payment System (EFTPS).

It allows you to set up automatic estimated tax payments.

Vanguard allows automatic transfers to a bank account so I think the combination of the two (VG push to checking and IRS pull from checking) can accomplish the job even if VG doesn't offer a specific tax-withholding service.

In summary:
  1. In VG, Elect dividends to go to settlement fund.
  2. Set up VG to periodically push cash from settlement fund to checking account.
  3. Use the above-lined web age to automatically grab quarterly tax payments from checking account.
Disadvantage: A bit complicated for spouse (or others) to understand and maintain if needed.
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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by dharrythomas » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:50 pm

bertilak wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:52 pm
dharrythomas wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:39 pm
You can do it, but they make it hard if you said you weren't subject to backup withholding when you opened your account (unless things have changed). I asked about it years ago and they said something about a signature with a medallion guarantee for all owners of the account.

I suspect it is harder than a standard transaction because it is an individual cost, but it should be simple and they should be set up to withhold taxes on RMDs and for those subject to backup withholding.
Can you explain backup withholding?

I already do withholding from RMDs and want to do it for taxable dividends as well.
If in the past, you didn't report some dividend income on your taxes, you are subject to backup withholding and the fund company must withhold 20% of any dividend or capital gains payments. One of the blocks you checked when you opened an account was that you are NOT subject to backup withholding.

Please post what you find out. I'd like to do the same thing if it is not too hard.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by bertilak » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:18 pm

dharrythomas wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:50 pm
Please post what you find out. I'd like to do the same thing if it is not too hard.
If you are asking about automatic tax withholding of dividends I have figured out this much so far. I plan on calling VG Monday to see if there is a more direct possibility.
  1. The taxable accounts are configured to send dividends to the settlement fund.
  2. The settlement fund is configured to send money periodically to a checking account.
  3. The IRS web page "Estimated Tax Payments - Electronic Federal Tax Payment System:
    https://www.eftps.gov/eftps/direct/EftpsHome.page
    is used to pull estimated tax payments from the checking account. You can set up 4 payments at 4 dates. I sent just one to see how it goes.
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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by dbr » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:58 am

Depending on the size of your RMD, you might consider taking it in December and setting withholding at whatever you estimate is needed to cover your tax payment for the year. Such withholding is considered to apply across the year. I never have withholding taken from anything automatically. In some rare cases I have made a payment to account at IRS to keep on the right side of estimated taxes, but not automatically. I find it generally simpler to arrange these things as they occur than to try to figure out and maintain automatic payments.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by megabad » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:15 am

dbr wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:58 am
Depending on the size of your RMD, you might consider taking it in December and setting withholding at whatever you estimate is needed to cover your tax payment for the year. Such withholding is considered to apply across the year. I never have withholding taken from anything automatically. In some rare cases I have made a payment to account at IRS to keep on the right side of estimated taxes, but not automatically. I find it generally simpler to arrange these things as they occur than to try to figure out and maintain automatic payments.
Mostly agree that waiting is a good suggestion. Only caveat is that IRS will check your "quarterly" tax payments so you may be required to file form 2210 if you are short in any "quarter". I suggest anyone that has imbalanced income have a 2210 excel sheet setup to quickly check every year.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by football236 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:25 pm

Did anyone get a confirmed answer on this? Can you setup dividends to be automatically reinvested and still have Vanguard withhold taxes? Thanks.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by elpollo » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:53 pm

bertilak wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:52 pm
dharrythomas wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:39 pm
You can do it, but they make it hard if you said you weren't subject to backup withholding when you opened your account (unless things have changed). I asked about it years ago and they said something about a signature with a medallion guarantee for all owners of the account.

I suspect it is harder than a standard transaction because it is an individual cost, but it should be simple and they should be set up to withhold taxes on RMDs and for those subject to backup withholding.
Can you explain backup withholding?

I already do withholding from RMDs and want to do it for taxable dividends as well.
don't know if you found an answer, looks like its 24%
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Vanguard does not typically withhold for tax purposes on dividends and
capital gains distributions in a taxable account. That said, you can
request that we withhold federal income taxes from dividends and capital
gains distributions for your nonretirement accounts. (You cannot request
withholding for sales of shares.)

If you elect voluntary withholding, it will apply to both dividends and
capital gains at a rate of 24%. Requests to add or remove voluntary
withholding can be made in writing or via recorded phone call. When
requesting voluntary withholding, please provide:

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by retiredflyboy » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Yes, but was not easy and I decided to just do estimated taxes on a quarterly bases. I had some rental property income as well.
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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by sport » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:43 pm

Dandy wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:44 pm
RMDs on the brokerage platform can have Federal and State withholding when I had my first RMD earlier this year.
Vanguard will withhold state income taxes only for some states and not others. If you plan on them withholding for your state, make sure they will do it. They will not withhold for my state. :annoyed

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by football236 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am

In case this is confusing, I called Vanguard and asked if they can withhold on dividends in taxable accounts (note: This is not referring to RMDs from retirement accounts). The rep said they cannot. Our only option is make estimated tax payments.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by sport » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:12 am

football236 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am
In case this is confusing, I called Vanguard and asked if they can withhold on dividends in taxable accounts (note: This is not referring to RMDs from retirement accounts). The rep said they cannot. Our only option is make estimated tax payments.
They will withhold for distributions from IRA accounts. So, you could withdraw from an IRA and have 100% of the distribution withheld. You would have to decide if this is a good idea for your situation.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by dkarst » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:44 am

football236 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am
In case this is confusing, I called Vanguard and asked if they can withhold on dividends in taxable accounts (note: This is not referring to RMDs from retirement accounts). The rep said they cannot. Our only option is make estimated tax payments.
I'd call back and try to get someone more accommodating. I have 24% Fed tax withheld (only choice) on divs/CG on my taxable accounts and have for years. I only have it done on a couple of my larger funds. They don't seem to make it easy to do, but they'll do it if you ask with some conviction. I'm on the mutual fund vs. brokerage if that make a difference. A more optimum way is to pay estimated taxes which isn't bad to set up but at the time this seemed easier and I'm lazy. This doesn't solve a state tax issue if you have one.

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Re: Dividend Tax Withholding at Vanguard?

Post by Eagle33 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:57 pm

sport wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:12 am
football236 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am
In case this is confusing, I called Vanguard and asked if they can withhold on dividends in taxable accounts (note: This is not referring to RMDs from retirement accounts). The rep said they cannot. Our only option is make estimated tax payments.
They will withhold for distributions from IRA accounts. So, you could withdraw from an IRA and have 100% of the distribution withheld. You would have to decide if this is a good idea for your situation.
Spoke with VG today about % of withholding. Was told old style mutual fund accounts could have up to 100% tax withheld, but only up to 99% withheld if account type was brokerage.
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