Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

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Stan Dup
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Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

Postby Stan Dup » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:13 am

I am in the beginning stages of starting a new small start up business. I anticipate it will be a part-time job for the first few years at least.

Is there a way to shelter any income from this business? I am vaguely familiar that small businesses can have versions of the IRA or other plans.

Can I shelter money in addition to my regular contributions to my 401K and Roth IRA?
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Re: Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

Postby Duckie » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:35 pm

Stan Dup wrote:Is there a way to shelter any income from this business? I am vaguely familiar that small businesses can have versions of the IRA or other plans.

There are several small-business plans. They have different rules and restrictions. At your stage your best options are SEP IRA, SIMPLE IRA, and solo 401k (aka Individual 401k, aka Self-Employed 401k).

Can I shelter money in addition to my regular contributions to my 401K and Roth IRA?

If you are already maxing your 401k then a SIMPLE IRA will not work because the SIMPLE IRA limit of $12.5K is shared with the 401k limit of $18K. You can't use the employEE portion of the solo 401k because its $18K limit is shared with your other 401k. You could either use a SEP IRA or the employER portion of a solo 401k. In both cases that would be about 20% of net income.

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Re: Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

Postby Spirit Rider » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:39 pm

The SEP IRA will interfere with a backdoor Roth, a Solo 401k will not. Do you have or will you have eligible employees? This will complicate the choices.

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Re: Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

Postby Stan Dup » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:17 am

Thank you for the replies.

I do not intend to have employees. But you never know; unexpected growth may require them.

So, the employer portion of a solo 401k seems like the best option? Allowing me to save up to 20% of my total income between the two jobs?
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Re: Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

Postby Lafder » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:49 am

I would look at Fidelity for a solo401k. They allow you to roll in other retirement accounts, which Vanguard does not allow. So there is the option to consolidate accounts more easily in the future. They also have lower ERs for their solo401k options than Vanguard does.

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Re: Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

Postby Ethelred » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:09 am

Having looked into this a bit recently, on threads on this forum and elsewhere, there are several options for solo 401ks. None of these options offer everything you might want, but unless you want every option you'll probably find something to fit your needs.

The main low-cost providers are:
- Vanguard - Roth 401k option, but limited range of investor funds only (not Admiral, so higher expense ratio), plus restricted rollover options (no incoming rollovers? I forget the details since it's not something we need)
- Fidelity - no Roth 401k option, but wide range of investments including no-fee funds and ETFs
- Schwab - no Roth 401k option, but wide range of investments including no-fee funds and ETFs
- Etrade - Roth 401k option, but no-fee funds and ETFs are generally higher expense ratio, or you pay $7/trade
- TD Ameritrade - The details on this seem opaque, and reports ont his forum suggest that customer service reps don't understand the accounts. I could be wrong.
Only some of these have 401k loan options, maybe only Etrade. Also, as I understand it, Fidelity and Schwab, maybe others, require you to fund the accounts using a paper check, which I find archaic.

There are others, that are more expensive, usually charging monthly admin fees. They might provide additional options, if you can't find what you need above. These include:
- T Rowe Price
- Sharebuilder and Spark (both owned by Capital One - not sure if these have the same options)
- Merrill Edge (this really looks uncompetitive)

Alternatively, you can choose a "checkbook" solo 401k plan, that allows you to invest in all sorts of investments, including real estate, but the costs for this are much higher, both for set-up and ongoing administration.

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Re: Retirement Plans in a New Small Business

Postby TIAX » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:29 am

Stan Dup wrote:So, the employer portion of a solo 401k seems like the best option? Allowing me to save up to 20% of my total income between the two jobs?

You will only be able to save around 20% of the startup's net income, not your W2 job.


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