The Sky Is Falling, What do I do?

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The Sky Is Falling, What do I do?

Post by Grt2bOutdoors » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:09 pm

Rather, the market is falling....and falling......and falling......
Another 55 days of activity like this, and the market will be worth a big FAT ZERO!!!! :twisted:
Happy Trading....err....I mean buying......or.....selling........ :twisted:
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Re: The Sky Is Falling, What do I do?

Post by SpringMan » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:14 pm

Don't do something, just stand there. :happy
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Re: The Sky Is Falling, What do I do?

Post by Dutch » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:16 pm

Run around in a panic and talk to Henny Penny, Ducky Lucky, Goosey Loosey, Turkey Lurkey, and Foxy Loxy

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Post by Browser » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:30 pm

Mr. Risk has shown up. Remember, this was part of the deal with Lucifer... :twisted:
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Re: The Sky Is Falling, What do I do?

Post by Purelife304 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:33 pm

As the market is falling and your accounts are growing smaller, in my opinion, that's just less money to have to worry about losing!

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Post by GoldenFinch » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:44 pm

Because the Dow 10,000 hats popped up regularly on Wall Street for years, I still associate Dow 10,000 with celebration.

Very Pavlovian I know, but I refuse to panic about the stock market. :twisted:

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Post by john94549 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:45 pm

Look at the bright side. Neither your CD ladder nor your savings account went down today. If you are investing for the "really, really" long term, it's all academic.
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Post by arcticpineapplecorp. » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:48 pm

Buy more, of course. I'm surprised nobody said that yet.

If you were happy buying the same shares at higher prices, wouldn't you be even more happy to buy more now at even lower prices?
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Post by tennisplyr » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:56 pm

Grt2bOutdoors wrote:Rather, the market is falling....and falling......and falling......
Another 55 days of activity like this, and the market will be worth a big FAT ZERO!!!! :twisted:
Happy Trading....err....I mean buying......or.....selling........ :twisted:
You joined this forum in 2007 and that's what you have to say......shame on you lol :wink:
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Post by john94549 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:59 pm

arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:Buy more, of course. I'm surprised nobody said that yet.
Actually, in another thread, I said just that. And I did just that.

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Post by Dale_G » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:06 pm

Ho-Hum - I haven't hit my rebalancing target yet. That does not mean that I do not tax loss harvest as the occasion requires.

And my recent dividends from both domestic and international equities went to international. We'll see how that turns out over the next 5 or 10 or 20 years. More than 20 years? I probably won't have to be concerned about that.

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Post by nisiprius » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:12 pm

I haven't looked that the Dow since early last week. And I haven't look at my portfolio total in about two weeks. Even that is way too often, of course, but at least I'm resisting the urge to peek daily.

I don't intentionally tune in to CNBC or any investing program, but sometimes I'll overheard something on the network news.
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Post by mhalley » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:18 pm

The good news is that every day your portfolio is becoming more conservative ( unless u are 100% stocks).
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Post by telemark » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:19 pm

I've increased my 401K contribution by 50% for the next quarter. I could have doubled it without going over the yearly limit, but I'm not that abstemious. Sort of like value averaging, but without the formal plan.

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Post by stemikger » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:24 pm

Grt2bOutdoors wrote:Rather, the market is falling....and falling......and falling......
Another 55 days of activity like this, and the market will be worth a big FAT ZERO!!!! :twisted:
Happy Trading....err....I mean buying......or.....selling........ :twisted:
I'm sure glad I am no longer 90/10 as per Warren Buffett's suggestion. 65/35 doesn't seem as conservative on days, weeks and months like these.
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Post by cfs » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:28 pm

Great time!

Well, shipmate, Grt2bOutdoors, this is a great time to be outdoors "ignoring the market" !!!
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Post by cfs » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:28 pm

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Post by Bustoff » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:29 pm

I was thinking about taking a peek at Vanguard REIT today.

Not gonna do it! Wouldn't be prudent!
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Post by tomd37 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:36 pm

The downturn in stocks is doing my rebalancing for me. I planned on moving from a 50/50 stock/bond to a 40/60 asset allocation this last quarter of the year after reaching my number. My RMD has achieved part of this rebalancing and now the stock market is working on the remainder.
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Post by heyyou » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:56 pm

End of month is coming soon, so I will look at my balances then.
There is not a daily loss that matters to me. If it drops far every day for a week, and stays down until next year, I will pay attention then, but not today.
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Post by itstoomuch » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:00 pm

My GLWB annuities are getting deeper In-the-money. :greedy
My trading account is holding well because of high proportion of dividend payors. :greedy
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Post by GoldenFinch » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:01 pm

nisiprius wrote:I haven't looked that the Dow since early last week. And I haven't look at my portfolio total in about two weeks. Even that is way too often, of course, but at least I'm resisting the urge to peek daily.

I don't intentionally tune in to CNBC or any investing program, but sometimes I'll overheard something on the network news.
Have not looked at your portfolio for two weeks, eh? I look at mine only daily. :shock:

Clearly we are all financial extremists.

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Post by Steelersfan » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:22 pm

Check your taxable accounts every few days (or weeks) to see if you have any tax loss harvesting (TLH) to do so you can save on taxes.

If Yes, TLH to a comparable (but not identical) fund.

If No, go to the top of the page.

Repeat.

For the rest of the time, continue with your regular life activities.

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Post by blueblock » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:25 pm

I briefly considered adding to a sector ETF in my "fun money" account but decided against it.

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Post by ruralavalon » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:43 pm

cfs wrote:Great time!

Well, shipmate, Grt2bOutdoors, this is a great time to be outdoors "ignoring the market" !!!
Or a great time to sit out on the back deck and read a good book.
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Post by stemikger » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:47 pm

tennisplyr wrote:
Grt2bOutdoors wrote:Rather, the market is falling....and falling......and falling......
Another 55 days of activity like this, and the market will be worth a big FAT ZERO!!!! :twisted:
Happy Trading....err....I mean buying......or.....selling........ :twisted:
You joined this forum in 2007 and that's what you have to say......shame on you lol :wink:
I'm pretty sure Grt is just having fun. I know he is a lot more level headed and philosophical on the market's daily gyrations.
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Post by selftalk » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:57 pm

When I heard on the car radio today that the DOW was down 300 points I went home and entered an order at Vanguard to buy some more VTSAX. It`s a sure thing to do rather than to buy at 2000 points higher. It may not be and probably isn`t the bottom I guess but it`s in a correction of somewhere at 13%-14% by now. If it has some more big point days in dropping I`ll get more if I have spare money on hand. A few years from now this drop will have been forgotten. I just don`t get scared from this stuff any more like I used to. I`m so used to the price dropping right after I buy that it doesn`t bother me at all. I look at the long term chart of the Investment Company Of America and remain confident of American businesses. I guess Bogle, Buffett, Munger and our own Taylor Larimore have really taught me the right thing to do (NOTHING). Again, "don`t peek" works for me and I hope it helps you too. The really scary thing was when I was worth $ 1,000,000 and the market dropped almost 50%. Now that was a real mental test that sent me back to John Bogel`s book Common Sense On Mutual Funds and again viewing the Investment Company Of America`s annual report.

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Post by S&L1940 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:59 pm

SpringMan wrote:Don't do something, just stand there. :happy
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Post by FelixTheCat » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:07 pm

Love my AA. I don't worry about market movements anymore.
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Post by Bogle_Feet » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:13 pm

I bet that sometime mid-day tomorrow will be the biggest buying opportunity of the year. If you are one who has been sitting on the sidelines you can buy stocks at 2014 prices.

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Post by cfs » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:24 pm

ruralavalon wrote:
cfs wrote:Great time!

Well, shipmate, Grt2bOutdoors, this is a great time to be outdoors "ignoring the market" !!!
Or a great time to sit out on the back deck and read a good book.
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Post by Grt2bOutdoors » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:32 pm

stemikger wrote:
tennisplyr wrote:
Grt2bOutdoors wrote:Rather, the market is falling....and falling......and falling......
Another 55 days of activity like this, and the market will be worth a big FAT ZERO!!!! :twisted:
Happy Trading....err....I mean buying......or.....selling........ :twisted:
You joined this forum in 2007 and that's what you have to say......shame on you lol :wink:
I'm pretty sure Grt is just having fun. I know he is a lot more level headed and philosophical on the market's daily gyrations.
Fun, fun, fun watching money evaporate before one's eyes....... and I hold a relatively conservative portfolio. Yes, I've TLH'd and bought more on the way down......but only one who is truly loaded, has lots of time on their hands or is employed in the trading/investment management business can be buying every day or every down day.

I wonder how much screaming is going to be going on across America's kitchen tables when the September statements go out in early October. :?:
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Post by peppers » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:34 pm

"The sun will come out tomorrow....bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow.....there'll be sun...."
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Post by jcar » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:45 pm

I suspect now is a great buying opportunity. As to portfolio shrinkage (or expansion) I only look every 90 days. Just remember if you are in Vanguard index funds the lower price means your dividends are buying more shares for the future.

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Post by pennstater2005 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:57 pm

john94549 wrote:
arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:Buy more, of course. I'm surprised nobody said that yet.
Actually, in another thread, I said just that. And I did just that.
I didn't even know it dropped until my dad popped by and was talking about it. I can't talk finances with my Dad, somehow it always ends up in an argument :x After he left I logged on and bought my monthly shares of VASGX. Thanks Dad!
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Post by Compound » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:04 pm

:D and be grateful (just like every other day).

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Post by WolfpackFan » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:04 pm

The Sky Is Falling, What do I do?
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Post by jhfenton » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:27 pm

Meh. We're 100% equities, and "lost" low five figures today (more than 2%). What does it matter when we're not planning to sell anything we own for 20 years?
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Post by Miriam2 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:53 pm

One of my favorite "perilous world" nuggets was posted by Jack Bogle on this forum in 2011:
A lot will happen in the coming twelve months. It's a perilous world out there, so get your asset allocation right - for you - then just Stay the Course.
www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=84344

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Post by Toons » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:01 pm

I'm trying to think of something insightful to share,,,,,,,,,,,

Yawn :D :D
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Post by peppers » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:04 pm

^ Yawn works :wink:
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Post by Toons » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:08 pm

peppers wrote:^ Yawn works :wink:

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Post by Kevin M » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:20 pm

I haven't looked at the financial sky yet today--I'll look now. OK, stocks down 2-3 percent today. Doesn't look scary to me yet (my frame of reference is 2008/2009).

Now I'll look at my portfolio spreadsheet. OK, stocks about 2.5 percentage points below target, so another 2.5 percentage points to go before hitting the lower rebalancing band limit. However, I have quite a bit in CDs maturing over the next few months, so I'll probably use some of the proceeds to buy more stocks even if I don't hit the lower rebalancing limit.

There also may be some tax-loss harvesting opportunities for some folks. I have a few hundred bucks of losses in a couple of lots of VWO (Vanguard emerging markets), but I still have a gain in IEMG (iShares EM) from the last TLH out of VWO on 8/24.

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Post by spectec » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:37 pm

It's a good time to be 25-75 (at least the last time I looked).
Maybe this weekend will be a good time to look again & see if any rebalancing is called for.
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Post by john94549 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:58 pm

As I am a contrarian, my "needs" are funded by IRA CDs. Today was merely a buying opportunity for my fun money account. I actually went out on a limb and bought UPRO (not a huge buy, just 100). I did buy another 15 shares of VTI for the long term. So long as folks are having a fire sale, and all that.

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Post by kiddoc » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:10 pm

Praying that the sky falls by another significant amount. Buying as everything goes on sale.
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Post by nisiprius » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:15 pm

Grt2bOutdoors wrote:Fun, fun, fun watching money evaporate before one's eyes....... and I hold a relatively conservative portfolio...
Indeed.
In 'Where are the Customers' Yachts?' Fred Schwed wrote:Like all of life's rich emotional experiences, the full flavor of losing important money cannot be conveyed by literature. Art cannot convey to an inexperienced girl what it is truly like to be a wife and mother. There are certain things that cannot be explained to a virgin either by words or pictures. Nor can any description that I might offer here even approximate what it feels like to lose a real chunk of money that you used to own.
In 'The Way of All Flesh,' Samuel Butler wrote:Ernest was terribly shocked when he heard of the loss of his money, but his ignorance of the world prevented him from seeing the full extent of the mischief. He had never been in serious want of money yet, and did not know what it meant. In reality, money losses are the hardest to bear of any by those who are old enough to comprehend them.
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Post by lack_ey » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:22 pm

I await the coming choice of words when next stocks actually take a beating. If this is all it takes for the sky to fall, what follows this?

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Post by bengal22 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:22 pm

I spent today rewatching on my DVR the Bengals beating the Ravens. Did the market go down?
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Re: The Sky Is Falling, What do I do?

Post by randomizer » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:19 pm

arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:Buy more, of course. I'm surprised nobody said that yet.
Alas, nothing spare to invest as I always put any influx I get into the market. Just going to keep up with my biweekly paycheck contributions.
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