I think the typical TSMer views diversification as stocks/bonds and US/Int. This book views diversification as across unique and independent sources of risk and expected return. Has it compelled some of us to look at diversification differently in the low expected return environment?
Dave
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- Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:48 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Book review: Antti Illmanen: Investing Amid Low Expected Returns Summary
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1480
- Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:30 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
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- Views: 21997
Re: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
What if John Bogle had been born in Japan?
Dave
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- Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:25 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
- Replies: 475
- Views: 21997
Re: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
I haven’t seen the vide yet, but I certainly will shortly. I’m a pretty Big Ben Felix fan.Apathizer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:23 amIt seems many didn't seem to actually watch the video since he addressed it specifically. No, investing in large companies with global exposure isn't the same as investing in different markets.Random Walker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:12 amGlobalization also I think had a surprisingly large effect in the 1700’s.
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- Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:23 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
- Replies: 475
- Views: 21997
Re: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
While Chinese companies may post good returns, it doesn't appear the largess is widely dispersed among shareholders. I suppose 8.4% of a small number is an even smaller number. https://www.morningstar.ca/ca/news/225163/china-stocks-the-road-to-nowhere.aspx https://www.morningstar.com/articles/1085524/chinese-stocks-what-went-wrong All markets go through periods of poor performance. The US has had very poor sequences throughout its history that has resulted in returns being worse than Bonds or other equity markets. China is no exception. That does not mean that the expected return on Chinese stocks today is low, or that returns throughout any predefined period are guaranteed to be low. And a 2-3% allocation for a standard globally diversifi...
- Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:21 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
- Replies: 475
- Views: 21997
Re: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
While Chinese companies may post good returns, it doesn't appear the largess is widely dispersed among shareholders. I suppose 8.4% of a small number is an even smaller number. https://www.morningstar.ca/ca/news/225163/china-stocks-the-road-to-nowhere.aspx https://www.morningstar.com/articles/1085524/chinese-stocks-what-went-wrong All markets go through periods of poor performance. The US has had very poor sequences throughout its history that has resulted in returns being worse than Bonds or other equity markets. China is no exception. That does not mean that the expected return on Chinese stocks today is low, or that returns throughout any predefined period are guaranteed to be low. And a 2-3% allocation for a standard globally diversifi...
- Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:12 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
- Replies: 475
- Views: 21997
- Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:07 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
- Replies: 475
- Views: 21997
Re: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
Regarding International (sub) performance, perhaps someone can help me figure this math problem out: From April 30, 2007 (the date I started investing in a taxable account) to February 17, 2023 (the date I last checked), Vanguard Total Stock Market (VTSAX) gained 275.90% while Vanguard FTSE Ex-US (VFWAX) gained 51.44%. (Figures are from Morningstar data). And if I am reading the Morningstar chart correctly, $10,000, invested on April 30, 2007, would now be worth worth $37,590.26 if invested in VTSAX, and $15,099.25 if invested in VFWAX. That’s quite a difference in returns. But here is my first question: Assuming that VTSAX stays stagnant (ie, returns 0% going forward and the value of one’s holding in it stays at $37,590.26), how much woul...
- Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:03 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
- Replies: 475
- Views: 21997
Re: Ben Felix: International Diversification.
I diversify internationally and have for a long time, but geopolitical risk seems on the rise and I question if some of the countries in which I invest are committed to economic development. And I wonder if that is the thing explaining the luck that Felix cites. Perhaps my losses in Russian energy stocks is short cited, but China too may purse such a road. They are pretty explicitly signaling they will and then what. So in a bifurcation of the global economy, will international diversification be desirable. There is that risk and seemingly little reward for taking it. I mean what might be in the interest of an autocrat may be very different from what's in the interest of the companies in that country. So Felix did nothing to answer the que...
- Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Dividends and sequence risk
- Replies: 64
- Views: 5345
Re: Dividends and sequence risk
Was listening to Kristy and Bryce from the popular FIRE podcast Millenial Revolution and they made a few statements about their strategy that i'm having trouble understanding. Here is the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxRt2fAzRi0&t=736s First they claim that if you live off the dividends then you can eliminate the sequence risk. How is this possible? Then they claim that if you just spend the dividends then you're not selling anything - however my understanding of dividends is that it comes off the NAV so getting dividends and spending it is functionally equivalent to NOT getting dividends and then selling shares in that amount. Their suggestion is to invest more in International to increase dividend yield because the US market...
- Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:44 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2116
Re: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
But I do think they are rules based and have no individual security selection or market timing. Help me understand something please. Yes, quant funds have algorithms and rules-based processes that allow them to trade to a consistent strategy, but those human-built algorithms still produce buys and sells of individual securities, don’t they? I don’t see how the “human or algorithm” question relates to the “passive or active” question. It seems like the quant guys still are picking individual stocks as opposed to buying the whole basket. Not true? My understanding is that they are buying stocks according to specific characteristics, but if two stocks are identical by their metrics, they are indifferent to which one they buy. Dave
- Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:37 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2116
Re: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
It's possible to see a legitimate grey area around the word "passive." Traditionally, people describing DFA's "classic" funds like the DFA US Micro Cap Portfolio and the DFA US Small Cap Value Portfolio--I think DFA itself although I haven't been able to track it down--describe them as "passive funds, though not index funds." DFA is often thought of as a champion of "passive" investing, and a rival to Vanguard. And I am saying that according to the prospectus for this fund, it is Just Plain Active. There's no suggestion of it being rules-based, and the prospectus specifically says in so many words that it is actively managed. A Just Plain Active fund from DFA seems like a change in direction, althoug...
- Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:24 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2116
Re: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
Another way to think about it: passive seeks beta (the cap weighted return of the market). Any investment strategy that seeks alpha is an active strategy. You and I are basically on the same page I think. I would say though that there is a beta for the market factor, beta for size, beta for value, etc. Past sources of alpha, once discovered, get turned into a beta. And it’s because these funds effectively access these other betas in an agnostic formulaic fashion that I think one can consider them passive. That’s why I say the funds are sort of their own indexes: you get what the factor loadings give you . It comes down to following construction rules. Larry Swedroe’s book The Incredible Shrinking Alpha details the phenomenon of converting ...
- Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:56 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2116
Re: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
I hope we can agree that this DFA product is not "passive?" I agree (even tho there is no agreed definition of “passive”). What do you mean by that? Index funds follow a “investable index” managed by a independent 3rd party. A index is a portfolio constructed by predefined rules. There is nothing magical or special about it. There are SEC marketing rules around this. All index funds are passive, but not all passive funds are index funds. Dave Can you give me a example? Yes. The DFA equity funds I would consider passive. Fama’s definition of passive is no market timing and no individual security selection, and these funds are passive in that sense. They are formulaic, rules based, agnostic to what individual securities are bought....
- Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:18 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2116
Re: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
All index funds are passive, but not all passive funds are index funds.
Dave
- Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:05 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2116
Re: Dimensional Files for US Large Cap Vector Equity ETF
Recently read an Asness essay where he adamantly states that strategies such as this are active. Nonetheless I like viewing these formulaic methods as passive. The strategies have no individual stock picking or market timing, are rules based, and replicable.
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- Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:19 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz, Part 2: Stocks and Bonds
- Replies: 114
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Re: Diversification a la Markowitz, Part 2: Stocks and Bonds
So is the variance drain larger as distributions deviate more from normal? Does the equation perhaps underestimate the benefits of diversification for investors? Thanks,Anon9001 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:55 am I have skimmed through this thread but MCQ I noticed you are assuming that Geometric Mean= Arithmetic Mean-Variance/2 for these calculations.
Now I don't know if you know this formula is just an approximation and its only exact if the Returns Distribution is Normally Distributed. Its close enough for most cases but it tends to get quite far away from the actual Geometric Mean if the returns distribution is deviating heavily from Normal Distribution.
Dave
- Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:47 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz, Part 2: Stocks and Bonds
- Replies: 114
- Views: 10808
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz, Part 2: Stocks and Bonds
I think a reasonable summary of a lot in the two curves above is as follows. In equity heavy portfolios, the portfolio risk is so dominated by the equity allocation that may as well take on the duration risk and associated premium of longer bonds. The increased risk on the bond side does not appreciably affect the overall portfolio risk but can add a bit to return. In much less aggressive portfolios with substantially lower equity allocations, it is more efficient to limit term risk to intermediate. I believe Larry Swedroe may have written on this.
Dave
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- Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:06 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1898
- Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:05 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1898
Re: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
Potential for annuities to increase safe spending levels in retirement?abc132 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:28 am 1. Correlations change over time
2. SWR's are based on low percentile outcomes
Combining 1) and 2) you can't plan for much if any benefit unless you are utilizing guaranteed payments.
Once again the guaranteed payment is the strongest diversifier. The 40% bonds in a 60/40 portfolio are very powerful.
Dave
- Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:48 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
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- Views: 1898
Re: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
I'm not as experience in such things as you may be; but, as for me the answer would be probably not at this stage of the game. I've been retired for more than 10 years and have been saving / investing since I was 25. (late start). Last year I lost ~20% of the value of my portfolio. There's chatter that I the market could lose another 20% this year. (I know no one knows nothing, but still ...). How high of a withdrawal rate do you think modestly higher should be? I’m thinking modest increases like from 3% to 3.5% or 4%: small differences in percentage terms, but could be significant in absolute freedom to spend terms. Dave That is a pretty massive increase by my standards, not a modest increase. I thought the discussion would be about somet...
- Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:43 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1898
Re: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
I’m thinking modest increases like from 3% to 3.5% or 4%: small differences in percentage terms, but could be significant in absolute freedom to spend terms.RadAudit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:17 am I'm not as experience in such things as you may be; but, as for me the answer would be probably not at this stage of the game. I've been retired for more than 10 years and have been saving / investing since I was 25. (late start). Last year I lost ~20% of the value of my portfolio. There's chatter that I the market could lose another 20% this year. (I know no one knows nothing, but still ...).
How high of a withdrawal rate do you think modestly higher should be?
Dave
- Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:39 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1898
Will A More Efficient Portfolio Support A Greater Withdrawl Rate?
We have have talked about portfolio efficiency, variance drain, sequence of returns risk, difference between Ari Mean and Geo Mean. Do people believe that a less volatile portfolio with same expected return could support a modestly higher withdrawl rate? Personally, I think so.
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- Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:49 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
Where a quant could help is to crunch the numbers and crank the formulas to get an idea of the right amount of diversification. In other words, how many asset classes do you need? If you factor invest, what are the best factors to load on, and how much load for each factor? Being a cautious investors, I don't have extreme tilts but what I am doing with my factor bets might not be enough to make a difference. What I hope Professor McQ will do is to give us an idea of what a more optimal portfolio would look like. If you are using volatile non-correlating asset classes with similar returns to boost return and reduce volatility, what is the optimal number to use? Two? Three? Four? I suspect the correct answer is three. During my annual Nedsai...
- Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:21 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
2. Historical correlations of factors are significantly less than his 0.5 assumption. For example some rough numbers are Size to Market 0.3 Value to Market -0.3 Size to Value 0.0 Momentum to Market -0.2 Momentum to Value -0.2 >>>This is crucial. Returns from M-diversification are going to be much greater if correlation among equivalent risk assets will range from -0.20 to +0.30. But my copy of the SBBI shows small stocks and large stocks correlated at 0.79 >>>Do you have a source or link for these correlations? Are they annual, or ...? I got the correlations from Chapter 9 Larry Swedroe’s Factor Book. (I think just a few charts in Chapter 9 alone are worth the price of the book) Realize though that these are the correlations of pure long-s...
- Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:22 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
So if you were to generate inputs for a Monte Carlo simulation what would you use?Northern Flicker wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:30 amExpected volatility is not a property of a probability distribution. It is imperative to define such a concept before using it. And expected return is not the annual arithmetic mean of a long-term return.Random Walker wrote: Yes I mostly disagree with him. I do agree with him that the Ari Mean is what it is and the Geo Mean is what it is; and that we only eat Geo Means. That being said, to intelligently determine our asset allocations, we need to think about expected returns, expected volatilities, and how different potential portfolio components mix in a portfolio. Looking forward, our expected return of an asset is an Ari Mean.
Dave
- Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:44 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
McQ clearly knows more than me, but I’ll make a few points. 1. More equal weighting, lower correlation, greater volatility improves diversification benefit. 2. Historical correlations of factors are significantly less than his 0.5 assumption. For example some rough numbers are Size to Market 0.3 Value to Market -0.3 Size to Value 0.0 Momentum to Market -0.2 Momentum to Value -0.2 3. Bonds generally uncorrelated with market but there is a tendency for the correlation to turn strong negative when really need it to (not last year) 4. Can keep expected return of a TSM/TBM portfolio constant by tilting to higher expected return equity factors, decreasing overall equity allocation, increasing exposure to safe bonds. This change would most likely ...
- Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:14 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
This is an exercise that I have done and think is worthwhile for people pondering these things. In Excel, set up two random return series with the same average return, but different standard deviations. Run the series for 20-30 iterations representing a 20-30 year investing career. See how often the less volatile return series accumulates to a greater amount. It will I think in every instance. And it’s because Geo Mean = Ari Mean - 1/2 SD^2. From what I remember, decreasing SD by around 2%, from say 16 to 14 or 14 to 12, results in Improvements to Geo Mean about the same size as many of the expense ratio differences we discuss on this site, maybe 0.2-0.4%. Of course the huge trick is finding diversifying asset classes that are low correlat...
- Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:48 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
This is an exercise that I have done and think is worthwhile for people pondering these things. In Excel, set up two random return series with the same average return, but different standard deviations. Run the series for 20-30 iterations representing a 20-30 year investing career. See how often the less volatile return series accumulates to a greater amount. It will I think in every instance. And it’s because Geo Mean = Ari Mean - 1/2 SD^2. From what I remember, decreasing SD by around 2%, from say 16 to 14 or 14 to 12, results in Improvements to Geo Mean about the same size as many of the expense ratio differences we discuss on this site, maybe 0.2-0.4%. Of course the huge trick is finding diversifying asset classes that are low correlat...
- Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:26 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
This is an exercise that I have done and think is worthwhile for people pondering these things. In Excel, set up two random return series with the same average return, but different standard deviations. Run the series for 20-30 iterations representing a 20-30 year investing career. See how often the less volatile return series accumulates to a greater amount. It will I think in every instance. And it’s because Geo Mean = Ari Mean - 1/2 SD^2. From what I remember, decreasing SD by around 2%, from say 16 to 14 or 14 to 12, results in Improvements to Geo Mean about the same size as many of the expense ratio differences we discuss on this site, maybe 0.2-0.4%. Of course the huge trick is finding diversifying asset classes that are low correlate...
- Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:13 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
This subject, variance drain, is something I think about a lot. Geo Mean = Ari Mean -0.5*(SD^2). I strongly believe in diversifying across unique and independent sources of risk and expected return. I split equities evenly US and Int, heavily tilt to size and value, decrease overall equity exposure and increase exposure to safe bonds, and have added alternatives. I believe lack of portfolio efficiency is a real cost, and the incremental improvements to portfolio efficiency come with increasing marginal costs. Each individual needs to decide where to draw the line between the potential benefits of improved portfolio efficiency and the certain costs associated with reaching for that potential. Dave Dave, I am just not enough of a mathematici...
- Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:19 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
But I think we can qualitatively take advantage of these results very nicely. The typical Boglehead 60/40 TSM/TBM portfolio is 85-90% dominated by a single factor, market beta. A move away from this dominance is a move towards improved portfolio efficiency.
Dave
- Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:11 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
If you're not different significantly from the average investor (weighted by portfolio size or trading volume, not the average person who invests) in an articulable way, the market has already done the work for you and produced a portfolio that can be appropriate for you. It's computed the various benefits from diversification and other elements of portfolio construction. Fans of size and value usually have reasons that would apply to pretty much everyone. If you are sufficiently different, then adjustments can be appropriate. How to gauge differences from the average investor (as defined) is not trivial, but if your reasons for picking independent risks are applicable to a wide swathe, then differences are not likely to be massive. This i...
- Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:26 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
In a world of efficient markets and rational investors, not only would correlations increase, but the "better portfolio" would become the cap-weighted market portfolio, where the better portfolio was some non-cap weighted mixture (VTI plus international or whatever). The process would be buying the diversifier, driving up its price and selling everything else, decreasing those prices, all the while increasing correlations. The process would continue until equilibrium is reached. Market efficiency is most probably a necessary condition to this process, but rational investors is much less clear. You certainly don't need everyone to be rational. All this suggests that the search for low correlation diversifiers that will improve a p...
- Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:35 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Diversification a la Markowitz
- Replies: 140
- Views: 12453
Re: Diversification a la Markowitz
This subject, variance drain, is something I think about a lot. Geo Mean = Ari Mean -0.5*(SD^2). I strongly believe in diversifying across unique and independent sources of risk and expected return. I split equities evenly US and Int, heavily tilt to size and value, decrease overall equity exposure and increase exposure to safe bonds, and have added alternatives.
I believe lack of portfolio efficiency is a real cost, and the incremental improvements to portfolio efficiency come with increasing marginal costs. Each individual needs to decide where to draw the line between the potential benefits of improved portfolio efficiency and the certain costs associated with reaching for that potential.
Dave
I believe lack of portfolio efficiency is a real cost, and the incremental improvements to portfolio efficiency come with increasing marginal costs. Each individual needs to decide where to draw the line between the potential benefits of improved portfolio efficiency and the certain costs associated with reaching for that potential.
Dave
- Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:11 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
- Replies: 98
- Views: 8234
Re: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
And what I find is that many people seem to not appreciate that diversification may well be most important over the short run; and the importance is amplified in that period around early retirement. For example, if someone retired within the last year or two, he would have blunted his withdrawal pain with a value tilt.Nathan Drake wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:16 pm This is sequence of return risk in action. Withdrawing is much more severe than contributing through a drawdown.
It's why diversification is so critical in retirement.
Dave
- Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:04 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
- Replies: 98
- Views: 8234
Re: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
What age are you doing that at? I’m 60 and thought running outdoors was over for me.MnD wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:07 pm I look at swings in other numbers as well.
Dropped 50 pounds since retirement. Blood work numbers are equally if not more improved.
Running 25 miles per week retired plus serious cross-training - versus 0 miles running and mediocre cross-training prior to retirement.
Averaging 75 leisure travel days per year and 2023 is going to top 100 days. Versus maybe 20 days when working.
We have more wealth now than when we retired in late 2018 which bracketed two or three bears markets and a global pandemic.
12 of my friends, close co-workers or extended family in their 50's or 60's dead since i retired in late 2018. None had any retirement.
Dave
- Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:49 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
- Replies: 98
- Views: 8234
Re: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
Completely agree. Which is why at retirement I will have a TIPS LMP that meets essential expenses that SS/pension will not. If that means my overall assets are at 25/75, so be it. The last year made me reevaluate my future risk tolerance. The thing with equity risk is that when a big decline happens there is no guarantee on the timeframe in which it bounces back. Imagine being reliant on a 60:40 portfolio in 2008 to cover essentials and the market doesn't start to bounce back in 2009 and you spend years pulling from a portfolio that has declined 30%. I find that prospect unsettling even if it has been historically unlikely even though I was 100% stocks (being15 years younger helps!) and had no issues buying into the decline. I completely a...
- Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:39 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
- Replies: 98
- Views: 8234
Re: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
One more year can have a big positive effect I think
Dave
- Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:37 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
- Replies: 98
- Views: 8234
Re: Portfolio swings when working compared to retired
So, during the last crash, at the low point, we were down about $250,000 from our all-time portfolio high point in Dec 2021. So, I updated my spreadsheet last night since it was the beginning of the month, and I was quite pleased to see that we're only $50,000 down today. BUT... I'm still working, and that includes all the money we've saved over the past year... So it's not accurate as far as portfolio returns. It includes the money I've invested in my 401k and the match from my employer over the year. Plus it's just nominal numbers... Not accounting for inflation at all. YET... It still makes me feel pretty good to see we are almost back to our all-time portfolio high. But, I was thinking that if I was retired this last year, and was PULL...
- Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:30 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Small Cap Value heads Rejoice !!!
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- Views: 554967
- Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:14 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: How do you benchmark your portfolio.
- Replies: 78
- Views: 6828
Re: How do you benchmark your portfolio.
I don’t benchmark my portfolio. I’m apparently a huge factor junkie. But I do believe markets are highly efficient and thus my passive funds do no market timing or individual security selection. I strongly believe that I get what my factor exposures give. The factors I’m exposed to are overwhelmingly market, size, value, quality, momentum, term. How I would do relative to any benchmark depends on how my collection of factor exposures compares to some benchmark’s factor exposures.
Now that being said, I can’t help but look every day at how Int, size, value, bonds compared to VTSMX. Just sort of a game I play with myself. Admittedly way more often than not my highly torqued funds have lost that game 2009-2021ish
Dave
Now that being said, I can’t help but look every day at how Int, size, value, bonds compared to VTSMX. Just sort of a game I play with myself. Admittedly way more often than not my highly torqued funds have lost that game 2009-2021ish

Dave
- Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:14 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Lemonaid stand in the small cap debate
- Replies: 26
- Views: 2180
Re: Lemonaid stand in the small cap debate
To me it was always intuitive that small caps should do better, cause they can more quickly double etc their profits. A lemonaid stand can quickly double its profits, which something like Walmart can't do. But I think the argument that counters mine is efficient market theory. The market knows the stand can double its profit so the market prices that into the price of the lemonaid stand stock. Even if profits double, the price of the stock does its own thing in anticipation and as time goes on. So is my only way of being right that small cap is better, due to mistakes or inefficiencies in the market? If a doubling of profit isn't factored into the stock price, there definitely could be a small premium. But is there more to it beyond ineffi...
- Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:31 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Does small cap value have more left rail risk?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1198
Re: Does small cap value have more left rail risk?
Yes. Value stocks and especially small value have a wider dispersion of potential outcomes than the market. For instance over rolling decade periods expected annual return might be something like 4-10% for the market and 2-15% for small value. The longer the time period the more likely small value is to out-perform the market, but in the short-term there's more risk. However, SV is imperfectly correlated with the market, so I would argue provides beneficial diversification. On it's own SV is riskier though. This is a good example of why diversification across unique and independent sources of return is likely even more important the shorter one’s time period is. I believe that when any source of risk/return can perform poorly over any time...
- Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:54 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Can small cap value ETF be overvalued?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1543
Re: Can small cap value ETF be overvalued?
So we can look at the ratio P/E Growth to P/E Value to estimate the value spread. If value had become increasingly popular, value stocks would have become more expensive relative to growth and the ratio would be smaller. Instead we still see the value spread at about the 90th percentile of historic values. Check out the below chart from Cliff Asness of AQR.
https://www.aqr.com/Insights/Perspectiv ... Not-Popped
Dave
- Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:30 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Bernstein: Stocks for retirees?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 3797
Re: Bernstein: Stocks for retirees?
I just retired at age 65 and have a more or less traditional roughly 55/45 nest egg IRA, along with a traditional pension. Thought that was conservative but the Bernstein statement threw me. (Am probably waiting to 70 to pick up SS, taking an additional 1% from the IRA in the meantime.) Wise counsel appreciated. Maybe clarification from Mr. Bernstein? Certainly depends what you consider “conservative”. This may help give some perspective. Stocks have a standard deviation of about 20%. Bonds might have a volatility of about 5%. That means that about 80-85% of the risk in your 55/45 portfolio is wrapped up in stocks. When making portfolio decisions, it’s valuable to think in terms of both potential % losses and potential absolute $ losses. D...
- Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:20 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Bernstein: Stocks for retirees?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 3797
Re: Bernstein: Stocks for retirees?
Took me a while, but I found a transcript of the interview on the internet. He was talking in the realm of lifecycle investing. He was comparing a young person starting out his investing career to an individual in retirement. Basically, as we age, we trade human capital and future employment income for financial assets. As we age and have less future work related income and our financial assets are at big risk and possibly can’t be replaced. “Three Mile Island Toxic” was just referring to the high risk nature of all stocks/stock markets. I think over time he has evolved to become a big fan of dividing assets into a Risk Portfolio and a safe Liability Matching Portfolio.
Dave
Dave
- Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:16 am
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Kudos to Robert T on AQR's QSPIX Analysis
- Replies: 55
- Views: 5024
Re: Kudos to Robert T on AQR's QSPIX Analysis
Whether Robert is prescient or not, I have no idea. With 4 styles (value, momentum, carry, defensive) across multiple asset classes (stocks, bonds, currencies, commodities), all basically uncorrelated with one another, I’m not sure there is any predicting how it will behave at various times. Just need to believe in the logic behind the styles and the long term track record supporting the logic.
Dave
Dave
- Sun Jan 01, 2023 3:30 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Kudos to Robert T on AQR's QSPIX Analysis
- Replies: 55
- Views: 5024
Re: Kudos to Robert T on AQR's QSPIX Analysis
Since inception the VT/BND (60/40) and the VT/BND/QSPIX (55/35/10) has basically the exact same CAGR. Even after a banner year for QSPIX. 4.63% vs 4.82% Virtually the same relationship if I swap VTI for VT. https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio?s=y&timePeriod=4&startYear=1985&firstMonth=1&endYear=2022&lastMonth=12&calendarAligned=true&includeYTD=false&initialAmount=10000&annualOperation=0&annualAdjustment=0&inflationAdjusted=true&annualPercentage=0.0&frequency=4&rebalanceType=1&absoluteDeviation=5.0&relativeDeviation=25.0&leverageType=0&leverageRatio=0.0&debtAmount=0&debtInterest=0.0&maintenanceMargin=25.0&leveragedBenchmark=false&r...
- Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:16 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: Are there any "philosophers" here to help develop our investment philosophy?
- Replies: 130
- Views: 9654
Re: Are there any "philosophers" here to help develop our investment philosophy?
I’m definitely not a philosopher, but I’ll take this opportunity to randomly state some of the tenets of my investing philosophy:
When I think of buying and selling stocks, I see chemical equilibrium or the lines intersecting in Econ 1
Markets are highly efficient but not perfectly efficient
Human behavior is tenaciously persistent over time
Costs matter a lot, but cost per unit value added matters too
Taxes are perhaps the biggest cost
Lack of portfolio efficiency is a cost too
The worst investing enemy is in the mirror
All investable assets should have about the same risk adjusted return in an efficient market
“The enemy of a good plan is the perfect plan”
Huge MPT fan
Dave
When I think of buying and selling stocks, I see chemical equilibrium or the lines intersecting in Econ 1
Markets are highly efficient but not perfectly efficient
Human behavior is tenaciously persistent over time
Costs matter a lot, but cost per unit value added matters too
Taxes are perhaps the biggest cost
Lack of portfolio efficiency is a cost too
The worst investing enemy is in the mirror
All investable assets should have about the same risk adjusted return in an efficient market
“The enemy of a good plan is the perfect plan”
Huge MPT fan
Dave
- Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:26 pm
- Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
- Topic: "It doesn't move the needle"
- Replies: 130
- Views: 15150
Re: "It doesn't move the needle"
I was also thinking of the general advice here that 5% or even 10% in some tilt doesn’t really matter. May as well simplify and focus on boosting your savings rate instead. I disagree. If the marginal benefit of a potential improvement outweighs the marginal cost, then why not make the improvement, no matter how small. Once a portfolio is on autopilot, the increased complexity is really no harder to manage. Moreover, accumulated small seemingly insignificant improvements, could potentially move the needle significantly. Dave In this case, we can only know it’s an improvement in hindsight. And many here don’t believe in tilting at all, so wouldn’t see it as an improvement. But if the benefits are very small, they are still benefits. I just ...