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by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:47 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?
Replies: 22
Views: 794

Re: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?

ETA - this part here was meant for Rick Rock as well as BrandonBogle: So you're saying that if we have 65K saved, we might as well use 60K for the down payment? How about closing costs and any other buffer money? Closing costs would probably be more than 5K and that will leave us with negative savi...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:41 pm
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?
Replies: 104
Views: 6653

Re: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?

I suppose the dissent is in the timeline. All I'll point re that is that adoption is typically an 'S' curve that is exponential in the beginning, linear in the middle and asymptotic in the end. If you believe BEVs will get well over 50% ultimately, you might expect it to remain exponential up to 20...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:32 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?
Replies: 22
Views: 794

Re: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?

I don't know if we should wait until we can pay 20% (this will take at least a couple years), because we'll be risking higher interest rates as the market keeps recovering. This concerns me. If you have $140k income, no state income taxes, and already have 10% of $300k saved for a down payment, it ...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:29 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?
Replies: 22
Views: 794

Re: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?

We wish we could do 20% and not deal with PMI. We want to get to 20% as fast as possible after purchasing the house in order to get rid of it. PMI was quoted as $200 per month. We have about 65K in savings. This amount includes emergency fund plus down payment plus closing costs. We have waited for...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:40 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?
Replies: 22
Views: 794

Re: Mortgage APR 4.96% - too high?

Without knowing all the details, my gut statement is "do not buy" until you save up your 20%. But there could very well be reasons you haven't shared. With $140k income and already having $14k for the down payment and only otherwise in debt for two car payments, it shouldn't take you more ...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:36 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Vanguard keeps saying my e-mail address doesn't work
Replies: 7
Views: 313

Re: Vanguard keeps saying my e-mail address doesn't work

I've gotten the notices as well and my Vanguard emails don't go to a Gmail account. Ironically, I continue to receive the Vanguard new stories and trade confirmations, so I don't know what email I am not getting.
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:44 pm
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?
Replies: 104
Views: 6653

Re: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?

I'm a Tesla fanboy, but I honestly want the Bolt to do well, and for other manufacturers to do well in the BEV space also. I think that 90% of consumers have use cases that make BEV a reasonable solution, but it will take education/promotion/advertising to convince them. I agree with every part of ...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:14 am
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: "Millionaire Next Door" Net Worth Formula
Replies: 168
Views: 13485

Re: "Millionaire Next Door" Net Worth Formula

An interesting thought experiment. If you had enough money to be FI and wealthy, let's say $10MM, how would your lifestyle change? For me, not much. I'd live in the same house, drive the same car, work in the same field. I'd create a DAF and give more to charity. I'd probably retire sooner than I w...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:09 am
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?
Replies: 104
Views: 6653

Re: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?

Initial production is not large, and they are doing a gradual rollout nationwide...first CA for a few months, then the CARB states for a few months. Doesn't get to me in PA until July. The Bolt won't be available in all 50 states until September. As just frank says, this could be a sign of a cautio...
by BrandonBogle
Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:07 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Vanguard 2 factor authentication and Mint or Personal Capital
Replies: 12
Views: 838

Re: Vanguard 2 factor authentication and Mint or Personal Capital

There is always tension between security and convenience. PJW I was just coming to edit my post to elaborate on that specific point. For my Vanguard accounts, I do NOT have them linked to Mint or PC like I do my Wells account, basically because of the lack of a read-only option and I didn't want to...
by BrandonBogle
Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:30 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Early Retirement - what to do about healthcare?
Replies: 101
Views: 9353

Re: Early Retirement - what to do about healthcare?

Yup. We hear about long wait times in other countries while forgetting that in the United States some people get treated sooner, but others wait literally forever because they can't afford it. In my area you just wait because of appointment availability. I never had to wait more than a day in Belgi...
by BrandonBogle
Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:23 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Vanguard 2 factor authentication and Mint or Personal Capital
Replies: 12
Views: 838

Re: Vanguard 2 factor authentication and Mint or Personal Capital

Does Vanguard's Agent Authorization at the View Only access level help with this? You can create a grantee with just view access and it's own username + password for Mint or PC. That is what I did with WellsTrade. Does the grantee have to be a real person? If not, this is a great idea Sadly, I have...
by BrandonBogle
Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:17 pm
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?
Replies: 104
Views: 6653

Re: Tesla Model 3 or Chevy Bolt?

How many east coast BH are Tesla owners? How do you handle these type of trips? I've done DC through NC to Atlanta (I-85) and also down to Miami (I-95) and on to Key West. Did a Disney World trip last year. I've done these trips (in particular Atlanta and Miami) a dozen times. I use supercharge.inf...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:06 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Vanguard Annual Fee - Time to move assets!
Replies: 6
Views: 1354

Re: Vanguard Annual Fee - Time to move assets!

You got out light.... I just had a $50 fee hit on my new employer 401K..... That was 30% of my balance :shock: It's just the timing..... There is an annual record keeping fee.... and it hit just after my first partial contribution :D Hopefully your new employer has good fund choices. If so, like me...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:58 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Vanguard Annual Fee - Time to move assets!
Replies: 6
Views: 1354

Vanguard Annual Fee - Time to move assets!

Today I checked on my 401k from an old employer still at Vanguard. It has a small chunk there that still holds a single-digit portion of my retirement assets. It has such funds as: ⋅ Vanguard Retirement Savings Trust II @ 0.31% ER ⋅ Vanguard Inflation-Protected Securities Fund In...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:35 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Vanguard 2 factor authentication and Mint or Personal Capital
Replies: 12
Views: 838

Re: Vanguard 2 factor authentication and Mint or Personal Capital

Does Vanguard's Agent Authorization at the View Only access level help with this? You can create a grantee with just view access and it's own username + password for Mint or PC. That is what I did with WellsTrade.
by BrandonBogle
Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: "Millionaire Next Door" Net Worth Formula
Replies: 168
Views: 13485

Re: "Millionaire Next Door" Net Worth Formula

Example: Age 40, make $100,000/yr = $4,000,000 $4,000,000 *10%= $400,000 If you are an average accumulator of wealth your NW should be $400,000 If you are an excellent accumulator of wealth (what this book thinks we should all strive for), your NW should be $800,000 :beer Thank you! Today is starti...
by BrandonBogle
Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:50 am
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: "Millionaire Next Door" Net Worth Formula
Replies: 168
Views: 13485

Re: "Millionaire Next Door" Net Worth Formula

It's a very handy rule of thumb for assessing one's net worth status. Expected Net Worth = Age(years) * total_income * 10% Yikes, left the *10% off the first try. When I actually do the math correctly, yeah, about where I should be. If I did this at 37, I would have been off, way off......where I s...
by BrandonBogle
Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:04 am
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern
Replies: 246
Views: 19511

Re: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern

That said -- I have watched what has happened to Quicken over the years, and am THRILLED with the idea of Quicken switching to a subscription model, which would involve higher ARPU. Why? Because I want and need Quicken to be financially sustainable. And that's not going to happen without more reven...
by BrandonBogle
Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:27 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Does new job affect pre-qualifying for mortgage?
Replies: 18
Views: 1009

Re: Does new job affect pre-qualifying for mortgage?

Yes, this would be for pre-qualifying, and the probable home in which they would be interested would require income from both parties. Tim They can prequalify again once the job changes here: https://m.usbank.com/home-loans/mortgage/pre-approval-prequalification.aspx Other lenders will have similar...
by BrandonBogle
Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:47 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Does new job affect pre-qualifying for mortgage?
Replies: 18
Views: 1009

Re: Does new job affect pre-qualifying for mortgage?

Well, you technically asked about "pre-qualifying" for a mortgage, which is a simple form that takes 5 minutes to do and you can get them from any number of lenders. I suspect you actually meant something else. Doubtful it is for getting a pre-approval since that is based on credit reports...
by BrandonBogle
Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:46 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Mortgage fees- Is this reasonable?
Replies: 14
Views: 1408

Re: Mortgage fees- Is this reasonable?

Had my closing today. Here are my closing costs to help compare against: Lender Origination/Application fee: $65 Appraisal: $350 Credit Report: $9.75 Flood Certification: $7.00 Tax Service Fee: $32.50 Title Insurance E-Filing Fee: $4.50 Attorney Fee: $800* + Prepaid interest + County recording fees ...
by BrandonBogle
Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:14 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern
Replies: 246
Views: 19511

Re: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern

Youngblood wrote:$45 dollars is the most you can lose if the three year promise doesn't come true.


That and your data if you don't also maintain a version of your data in an older Quicken release that doesn't require reauthentication (2016 perhaps?).
by BrandonBogle
Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:16 am
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Vanguard for Short Term (3-5 yrs) Savings?
Replies: 12
Views: 967

Re: Vanguard for Short Term (3-5 yrs) Savings?

Hi Everybody, Current debt: * $199K mortgage w/ 23 years left @ 5% Retirement / Savings: * 401K - $53K, no longer matched by my employer but currently contribute 7% (plan to increase). * Vanguard Roth IRA - $24K (maxed out yearly since 2015, I've maxed my contribution for 2017) * High Yield Savings...
by BrandonBogle
Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:39 am
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Trying to transfer a Roth IRA and this Medallion Signature requirement is driving me nuts!
Replies: 38
Views: 1863

Re: Trying to transfer a Roth IRA and this Medallion Signature requirement is driving me nuts!

A few years ago (2010?) I thought I was going to need a Medallion Signature Guarantee to transfer my HSA from a credit union. I called Schwab to ask if they could do it if I went to one of their offices (I am a long time Schwab brokerage account holder) and they said they would only do it if they w...
by BrandonBogle
Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:37 am
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Trying to transfer a Roth IRA and this Medallion Signature requirement is driving me nuts!
Replies: 38
Views: 1863

Re: Trying to transfer a Roth IRA and this Medallion Signature requirement is driving me nuts!

Reading the original post, no problem has actually occurred yet. I would just fill out the transfer form (w/o signature guarantee) and send it into Vanguard and let them request the transfer. Nobody you have talked to on the phone is actually responsible at the sending broker for processing transfe...
by BrandonBogle
Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:30 am
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Vanguard the Trendsetter
Replies: 1
Views: 473

Vanguard the Trendsetter

I find Vanguard's latest marketing banner quite amusing! We started lowering costs for investors before it was popular See how a revolutionary idea is changing investing http://i.imgur.com/XUCDQEdh.jpg Follow the link to learn more about Vanguard becoming a more common household name outside of know...
by BrandonBogle
Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:22 am
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: New to investing (25 yr/old). Diverse Vanguard Portfolio? Overlaps I am missing?
Replies: 60
Views: 3225

Re: New to investing (25 yr/old). Diverse Vanguard Portfolio? Overlaps I am missing?

@nobodyimportant, Just keep in mind that for Vanguard, the ETF is just another share class of the mutual funds and thus, the turnover rates between them are the same. Additionally, comparing Admiral Shares to the ETF have the same expense ration and costs (except for early in a funds existence where...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:38 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Early Retirement - what to do about healthcare?
Replies: 101
Views: 9353

Re: Early Retirement - what to do about healthcare?

In another thread a poster tapped me on the shoulder and suggested I look into the full cost of my employer medical plan vs. what is deducted from my paycheck to form as a baseline for medical costs, and assume that I could never find a plan as "cheap" as my employer. So I did that and was...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:36 pm
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Vanguard Portfolio Watch
Replies: 8
Views: 1004

Re: Vanguard Portfolio Watch

Maybe two years ago, portfolio watch would download my external holdings and flag them as "other" -- however, it would then let me "edit" them and put an equivalent ticker to them. So for instance, my 401k's US Total Bond Institutional Unit Trust I flagged as equivalent to Vangua...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:59 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: TIAA ending voluntary expense waiver on CREF Money Market
Replies: 6
Views: 549

Re: TIAA ending voluntary expense waiver on CREF Money Market

Do most people have access to both? (Our plan does, and I've never quite understood that, either... why have two. I assume it's an artifact from the early days of CREF/TIAA-CREF?) FWIW, my TIAA plan offers CREF MM (R3), their Institutional share class MMF, the Vanguard Treasury MMF, and a TIAA stab...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: What Do You Keep In Your Bank Safe Deposit Box?
Replies: 66
Views: 7103

Re: What Do You Keep In Your Bank Safe Deposit Box?

Ged wrote:
BrandonBogle wrote:
https://www.xkcd.com/936/



The XKCD example doesn't help with the need to use different passwords for each site.


The discussion was about a poster using a password manager, like 1Password, but having to write down their master password.
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:12 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: What if someone gets your password and transfers money from your bank to theirs?
Replies: 42
Views: 5828

Re: What if someone gets your password and transfers money from your bank to theirs?

An ACH is not a wire transfer. See ThreeBear's helpful post for an explanation about the difference between the two. Let me try again, since you didn't understand my post. I understand the difference between ACH and wire transfer. I do not live in the US. The only way to get access to my money in m...
by BrandonBogle
Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:49 am
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: $464.12 dinner bill last night. No regrets.
Replies: 78
Views: 9461

Re: $464.12 dinner bill last night. No regrets.

That is a great story. Congrats on paying off your loans. But even better to hear is that you took the time and effort to thank those that got you there, not many people do that and it is a very good reminder. Chad Indeed! Guitarguy, congrats and kudos. Not only have you set yourself on the path to...
by BrandonBogle
Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:21 pm
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Temporarily registering new car at friend's address -- anything wrong?
Replies: 39
Views: 2085

Re: Temporarily registering new car at friend's address -- anything wrong?

Maybe things are different in California, but in North Carolina, we pay a few components to the government after the dealership has fleeced us: ⋅ Statewide one-time sales/road use tax on purchase price - 3% ⋅ Statewide annual registration fees ⋅ County annual property t...
by BrandonBogle
Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:16 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: What Do You Keep In Your Bank Safe Deposit Box?
Replies: 66
Views: 7103

Re: What Do You Keep In Your Bank Safe Deposit Box?

That is not how one makes a strong password. However, if there is a phrase you can remember such as George Washington Was the First President, you can make you password the first letter of each word for: GWWTFP followed or preceded by a symbol and the PIN or phone number that you have memorized, an...
by BrandonBogle
Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:42 am
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: What Do You Keep In Your Bank Safe Deposit Box?
Replies: 66
Views: 7103

Re: What Do You Keep In Your Bank Safe Deposit Box?

If you are writing the password down, you are already doing it wrong. You have to keep them separated daily, not just in the box. I see your point, and largely agree with it, but I don't trust myself never to forget a master password consisting of 20 random letters, numbers, and symbols. And if I f...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:58 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Putting Savings in Perspective
Replies: 54
Views: 4028

Re: Putting Savings in Perspective

You might review mmm post on savings rate and early retirement. http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement/ Well, or you might not. He assumes a 4% SWR and a 5% real return to come up with those numbers. I always take any such article or advice as a...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:46 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern
Replies: 246
Views: 19511

Re: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern

Unfortunately, looking at what happened to Quicken and the competing products, there just doesn't seem to be that many that want to track their expenses and investments at that level. Most people get their IRA/401k or whatever statement quarterly, look at it, and then throw it in the trash. Most pe...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:40 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Putting Savings in Perspective
Replies: 54
Views: 4028

Re: Putting Savings in Perspective

5 year treasury yields 2.13%... I'm not quite sure I'm following. The money is currently invested and I took out the loan since the loan interest was cheaper than the capital gains. Similarly, being invested in a 5 year treasury would pay more than the loan is charging me. So are you validating wha...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:30 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Putting Savings in Perspective
Replies: 54
Views: 4028

Re: Putting Savings in Perspective

5 year treasury yields 2.13%... I'm not quite sure I'm following. The money is currently invested and I took out the loan since the loan interest was cheaper than the capital gains. Similarly, being invested in a 5 year treasury would pay more than the loan is charging me. So are you validating wha...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:25 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Putting Savings in Perspective
Replies: 54
Views: 4028

Re: Putting Savings in Perspective

I did. I saved until I could buy the car completely from what I saved in my taxable account. Then I took a 1.49% loan instead of paying capital gains taxes and rather than liquidate anything or reducing savings, I ended up cutting back on spending to cover the payment out of fear. I've started loos...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:23 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Putting Savings in Perspective
Replies: 54
Views: 4028

Re: Putting Savings in Perspective

Ouch on the Tesla. Next time, save in a side account for those kind of purchases. Pay cash for luxuries or you can't afford them. Or determine if you'd rather have one high-end item or a bunch of small stuff every week. My wife drives a nice luxury car, but she is very frugal everywhere else. I dri...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:13 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Putting Savings in Perspective
Replies: 54
Views: 4028

Re: Putting Savings in Perspective

Another poster mentioned that I was only accounting for my portion of the insurance cost (not my employer's) and that finding insurance on my own would likely be more expensive than my employer's plan. Thus, for the time being, since I already could pay off my mortgage tomorrow from my taxable accou...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:01 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: "We’re not going back to the ‘80s, but expect the Fed to raise rates" by Joe Davis of Vanguard
Replies: 28
Views: 3475

Re: "We’re not going back to the ‘80s, but expect the Fed to raise rates" by Joe Davis of Vanguard

Right, by my point is, hasn't that almost always been the case? FDIC-insured savings accounts are very low risk, low return. But they've always had long-term risk in terms of losing purchasing power to inflation Not always. I have had the following CDs since 2000: 8.5% (in 2007 no less), 7.6%, 6.4%...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:53 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Are you concerned that your bankers do not use 2 factor authenication?
Replies: 6
Views: 562

Re: Are you concerned that your bankers do not use 2 factor authenication?

I work for a company that interacts with customers in a large retail experience. Our front-line people do have just a password to sign into the workstation. That said, there are more controls that that. 1) They have to be inside our network, on specific VLANs for specific functions 2) They individua...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:08 am
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern
Replies: 246
Views: 19511

Re: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern

One should consider upgrading to 2016, not 2017 based on reports of oftentimes have to reauthenticate the product... if you feel that eventually it will go under and you would lose access to offline data because the product couldn't be reverified. Hopefully if it ever came to that though, they woul...
by BrandonBogle
Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:52 am
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern
Replies: 246
Views: 19511

Re: Quicken's future direction - a cause for concern

One should consider upgrading to 2016, not 2017 based on reports of oftentimes have to reauthenticate the product... if you feel that eventually it will go under and you would lose access to offline data because the product couldn't be reverified. Hopefully if it ever came to that though, they would...
by BrandonBogle
Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:26 pm
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Putting Savings in Perspective
Replies: 54
Views: 4028

Re: Putting Savings in Perspective

(b) my quality of life has suffered from excessive saving lol don't you drive a Tesla? Yes. And you would be amazed how that didn't change things. I posted when I thought about it and said I was willing to even exchange working longer to take the short term hit on my finances to pay for it. And I d...
by BrandonBogle
Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:08 pm
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: How Much in Your Emergency Fund And Is It Used?
Replies: 176
Views: 14457

Re: How Much in Your Emergency Fund And Is It Used?

As far as tapping our emergency fund, we have absolutely had to use it. In one case, a tree fell during high winds and took out a significant portion of our sons bedroom ( he was luckily not in the room at the time). It destroyed his bed and most of that side of the room. The tree showed no signs o...

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