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retcaveman
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: If you could have only one fund, what would it be? |
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Curious. If you could only have one fund, what would it be? I know it's somewhat unrealistic, but with so many people asking for suggestions about portfolios with numerous funds, I wondered what they would choose if they could only have one? Thanks. _________________ "The wants of mortals are containers that can never be filled." (Socrates) |
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Beagler
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Wellington _________________ "Complexity doesn't add returns or reduce risk. (Diversification does.) And simplicity doesn't increase returns or reduce risk. Portfolio construction of the right kind does." domus obfirmo sermo |
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Mel Lindauer Moderator

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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Vanguard's Target Retirement Income Fund would be my choice. _________________ Best Regards - Mel
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fluffyistaken

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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Assuming fund of funds is not allowed, go with Wellesley or Wellington depending on whether you're more conservative or more aggressive. If fund of funds is allowed, then could go with one of the Target Retirement funds or maybe STAR. |
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Alex Frakt Site Admin
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Posts: 5008 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| If just one equity fund - Vanguard Mid Cap Value. |
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Boglenaut
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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It would need to be a Vanguard Target retirement fund. No other could be diversified enough, adapt as I age, and have low fees (unless I had access to some great collective trust fund that was also a target retirement fund).
That said, given I have access to many funds, why let someone else have all the fun? I brew my own. |
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dkdoy

Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 335 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Vanguard Target Retirement fund would also be my choice. However I really am a fan of Wellington. Wellington would be a close second |
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Petrocelli

Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 1734 Location: Fenway Park, between 2nd and 3rd base
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Target Fund because it changes its bond allocation as you age. _________________ Petrocelli (not the real Rico, but just a fan) |
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Cherokee8215
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Oakmark Equity & Income. |
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maywood
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Vanguard Total Stock Market Index |
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joe8d

Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 1342 Location: Buffalo,NY
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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If it was in a tax advantaged account and had to be held forever,Life Strategy Moderate even with the "notorious" AA fund component. A TR fund if allowed to change after the accumulation stage.TSM if in a taxable account. _________________ All the Best,
Joe |
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stevewolfe
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd go again with the first one I invested in as I intended it to be a core holding and it has served me well: T. Rowe Price Capital Appreciation. |
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CaveatEmptor
Joined: 01 Jan 2009 Posts: 298
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: |
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A global balanced fund -- a global version of the domestically-centered VBINX. Vanguard does not have such a fund, so I would be faced with the problem of finding one that has a low ER and is not a "world allocation" fund disguised as global balanced (I don't like world allocation funds for the same reason I don't like asset allocation funds -- the fund manager gets to decide the percentages allocated to the various asset classes, and I prefer the fixed target percentages of a balanced fund). I would be sad to have my only fund not be a Vanguard one, but the benefit of global diversification is, IMO, worth paying a somewhat higher ER for.
Does anyone know of a good global balanced fund ? I looked at Fidelity's FGBLX but its ER is 1.13% and it looks too actively managed for my taste. I currently construct my own globally balanced portfolio using mostly Vanguard index funds (but Vanguard's dogmatic opposition to some asset classes means I have to go elsewhere for global bonds, global real estate, and global commodity stocks).
Edit added after reading other posts: The funds that target a retirement date are too domestically centered for me, and retirement is far enough that I do not yet have to worry about shifting my allocation over time.
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MWCA
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 1630 Location: Golden State
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Emerging Markets. Since I enjoy the thrill of a roller coaster  |
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Sheepdog

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1616 Location: Indiana, retired 1998 age 65
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Only one fund? I could pick one for different investor ages; however, without that criteria, it would be the appropriate Target Retirement fund for my present risk tolerance.
I still like Wellesley, though, plus at my age, mix that with Target Income for additional diversification.
Jim _________________ Frame every so-called disaster with these words "in five years, will this matter?" |
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Winthorpe
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Wellington |
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jonesy
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| Wellington |
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ilan1h
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Mel Lindauer wrote: | | Vanguard's Target Retirement Income Fund would be my choice. |
Mel,
Isn't the issue with these types of funds that if you are investing it in a taxable account, it is somewhat tax inefficient? After all, with 45% of the fund in TBM it is somewhat wasteful to have that in a fully taxable account. The converse concept is also true about wasting tax advantaged space on growth funds. As has been often mentioned on this forum, it probably makes more sense to buy these funds seperately and place them into the appropriate accounts. Of course, the poster asked for "the one fund"... |
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TJAJ9

Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Posts: 1121 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Only one equity fund? Total World Index.
Only one bond fund? Total Bond Index.
Having really ONLY one fund? I'd probably go with one of Vanguard's TR funds...maybe even Wellington or Wellesley as I got older. |
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Fletch

Joined: 04 Jun 2009 Posts: 247 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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It would be Vanguard's Target Retirement Income for me based on my ability, willingness and need to take risk. _________________ .
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
- William Gibbs McAdoo (1863-1941) |
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norookie
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 630
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking the same thing. I stray a bit but ideally 50% Wellselley/ 50% Wellington/ 100% would be a TR fund. _________________ "Follow the money down to the last dime" you'll find the reason. There are 7 generic reasons for crime. Money is number one. |
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snodog
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| You can't beat Wellesley. |
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MarcMyWord
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: |
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A Vanguard global balanced fund (or fund–of–funds) composed of
•40% Vanguard Global Equity (which is actively managed and somewhat value–tilted) or Total World Stock Index
•60% bonds, restricted to TIPS/GNMA/nominal Treasury (i.e., only "full faith and credit" government bonds). And, if Vanguard should ever offer an international bond fund composed mainly of foreign government obligations, a dash of that, too.
Except for the international bonds, this can, of course, be assembled by any investor from existing Vanguard funds––but not with a single $3000 opening minimum investment, and not with the same degree of continuously rebalancing/all–in–one convenience.
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teacher

Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 400 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Wellington for now and Wellesley for later. |
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nisiprius

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 9706 Location: North America; Western Hemisphere; the Earth; the Solar System; the Universe; the Mind of God
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Target Retirement Income.
(But no argument at all with those who prefer Wellington and Wellesley).
It's actually pretty weird: my homebrew portfolio is really within striking distance of the composition of Target Retirement Income. But I have the illusion of a meaningful difference, notably a much higher commitment to TIPS, and if I did a "total makeover" to Target Retirement Income-plus-outriggers I'd have almost as many mutual funds as I do now. _________________ Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness; Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.
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LynnC
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Wellington.
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nisiprius

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 9706 Location: North America; Western Hemisphere; the Earth; the Solar System; the Universe; the Mind of God
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| snodog wrote: | | You can't beat Wellesley. | Isn't that why its ticker symbol is vWINx?
I'm going to be a mischievous troublemaker here. Gold is not for me. Not by itself, not in a Harry Browne Permanent Portfolio, not in the Permanent Portfolio fund (PRPFX, 0.84% ER). But listening to craigr and others on the form has certainly encouraged me to poke my nose around. And you know what? Just sayin'... past performance, yadda-yadda-yadda, but doesn't this chart start the old oxygen flowing to the parts of the brain that govern irrational behavior?
VBINX = Vanguard Balanced Index = what I have.
VWINX = Wellesley = aw, gee, what I coulda had.
VWELX = Wellington. Or is it the other way around? These "Wel-" funds, I never can get 'em straight in my mind. Oh well, doesn't matter, the two curves are close enough anyway.
PRPFX = Permanent Portfolio Funds, Inc. "Permanent Portfolio" fund, $3.4 billion assets under management, OMG, look at THAT, I coulda been rich, RICH I tell you, noooooooooo! _________________ Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness; Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. |
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chaz
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Fletch wrote: | | It would be Vanguard's Target Retirement Income for me based on my ability, willingness and need to take risk. |
Ditto. _________________ Chaz
"It is better to travel well than to arrive." - Buddha
http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
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Mel Lindauer Moderator

Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 10276 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ilan1h wrote: | | Mel Lindauer wrote: | | Vanguard's Target Retirement Income Fund would be my choice. |
Mel,
Isn't the issue with these types of funds that if you are investing it in a taxable account, it is somewhat tax inefficient? After all, with 45% of the fund in TBM it is somewhat wasteful to have that in a fully taxable account. The converse concept is also true about wasting tax advantaged space on growth funds. As has been often mentioned on this forum, it probably makes more sense to buy these funds seperately and place them into the appropriate accounts. Of course, the poster asked for "the one fund"... |
Obviously we always preach tax-efficiency (bonds in your tax-deferred and tax-efficient equity funds in your taxable account). You're certainly correct that the TR Income fund doesn't fit that pattern.
However, this is a hypothetical (only can own one fund). And, if the retiree who owned TR Income fund was living off the distributions, then tax-efficiency isn't a factor. _________________ Best Regards - Mel
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traumamoma
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: single fund |
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| I have struggled with the choice between Wellsley and Target Retirement Income. It is extremely difficult to chose against Wellsley given its remarkable long term performance. Negatives would be active management (although its been great so far!) and relatively small number of equities. Given the current economic situation, the unbelievable amt of money the government is throwing around, and the high liklihood of inflation in the future, TRI would get the nod with its 20% TIPS allocation. The way things are playing out in my portfolio its looking like it will be split between the two, with Wellsley getting about 40% and TRI 60%. Plan on sleeping great with these two funds. Simple and keeps me from tinkering with a slice and dice approach. Regards, Peter |
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am
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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wasatch microcap value  |
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durhamlad
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Given my age, Wellesley. |
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xerty24
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Latestarter
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| An ETF that holds Peruvian bonds. |
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spinkter
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: I have been watching these 2 for years.... |
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And i finally bought into them VTSMX and VFINX _________________ Money does grow on trees, investment trees!!! |
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Czilla9000

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Vanguard Dividend Appreciation (VIG or VDAIX) if passive....VIG is 40% of my allocation.
Longleaf Partners (LLPFX) if active. |
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chicagobear
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Permanent Portfolio Fund (PRPFX) |
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yakers
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| For several years I used the target retirement type fund in my Federal TSP retirement account, my wife needed one fund and I steered her to....Wellesley. Easy to explain ad easy to live with. |
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aainvestor

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Wellington or D&C Balanced |
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