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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Greg, Man sorry about your hawkeyes.


What a terrible way for it all to fall apart. Now the Hawks head to the horseshoe with a QB who had 3 career passes coming into today....

Congrats to the Boilers! Too bad they didn't convert on a couple of their early tough losses. Hopefully they helped send RichRod to the unemployment line.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have I mentioned Alabama is still looking pretty Good !!!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woo Ohio St on track to take another Big Ten title! Too bad about the Iowa Qb.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palo Alto, CA is going to get crazy tonight! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big win for Stanford!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Touchdown Toby Gerhart and Stanford smashmouth football. Stanford: the three loss team that no team in any conference would want to face next week.

And Cal loses. What a great weekend.

Fearless and bold prediction: Stanford's Andrew Luck, following in the tradition of Plunkett and Elway, is the best current college QB playing in the NFL five to six years from now (and, yes, that includes Tebow, and Bradford, and McCoy, and everyone else).

Hail, Stanford, Hail.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crunch time, now. Most everyone is deep into conference play, no more patsies to beat.

Six of top twenty fall........ still some pretenders to the throne left.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stanford: the three loss team that no team in any conference would want to face next week.

And Cal loses. What a great weekend.


I second both points! Was so great to see the students rush the field. Finally, some school spirit. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My graduate school alma mater lost 63-7.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the ranking stuff is opinionated nonsense. Let's have playoff system.

Not a Sooner fan, but anyone who doubts how important Bradford is to them should compare Oklahoma's record with him and without him
My guess is that if the two teams in last years so-called "BCS championship game" has traded QBs, the results would have been reversed.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bog wrote:

My guess is that if the two teams in last years so-called "BCS championship game" has traded QBs, the results would have been reversed.


It is difficult to overstate the importance of Tebow to the Gators these last four years. I think you are probably correct, although if Harvin and Murphy had played for Oklahoma last year, and Tebow was still a Gator, I think the Sooners would have been a better team and also might have won, they were difference makers as well. Last year's Florida team had such an abundance of talent it might even have beaten the '95 Nebraska team, which I think of as one of the greatest college football teams of all time.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused ...

bog wrote:

Not a Sooner fan, but anyone who doubts how important Bradford is to them should compare Oklahoma's record with him and without him

So you're saying they're a lot better with him, right?

bog wrote:

My guess is that if the two teams in last years so-called "BCS championship game" has traded QBs, the results would have been reversed.

So you're saying if Oklahoma had Tebow in that game, they would have won? So Oklahoma is better without him? Confused
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greg24 wrote:
foodnerd wrote:

Greg, Man sorry about your hawkeyes.


What a terrible way for it all to fall apart. Now the Hawks head to the horseshoe with a QB who had 3 career passes coming into today....



Yup, that was tough. Since the Rose Bowl was probably their most realistic goal anyway (and they can still get there), losing the QB was worse than losing the game. Here's hoping he makes a miraculous recovery.

What was with the Clemson fans rushing onto the field after the FSU win? That seemed excessive for beating an unranked team with a .500 record. This wasn't the first time they'd beat FSU was it?

Maybe I'm just being an old fart. Should the Longhorn fans have rushed the field after knocking off UCF?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dia, got me.
I should say that with Tebow, OK never even makes it to that game.
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Yup, that was tough. Since the Rose Bowl was probably their most realistic goal anyway (and they can still get there), losing the QB was worse than losing the game. Here's hoping he makes a miraculous recovery.


Rampant rumors on the message boards that Stanzi had surgery today to re-attach a torn tendon. If true, he is out till next year. Sad

A loss at OSU this weekend seems almost certain, but a win hosting Minnesota next week would give them a 10-2 season. Not bad. Some prognosticators think a 10-2 Iowa team would get a BCS at-large bid since Iowa fans travel so well.

Personally, I think one big reason the Big Ten does so poorly in bowl games is they get more BCS bids than any other conference. This raises every other Big Ten bowl team up a bowl, making all the matchups more difficult. Seeing only one Big Ten team in a BCS bowl would be fine with me.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fishndoc wrote:
arthurdawg wrote:
TJAJ9 wrote:
It would be hard for any school to beat out the atmosphere of the 100k+ who attend a Penn State game. One day, I hope I get the chance to see a game there. It's a bit of a ride from where I live (many hours).



I am looking forward to Penn State and Alabama renewing their rivalry next year - that was a great series through the 1980s.

This is the first time I have heard about this.

Yes, it should be very interesting.
I remember the Bear Bryant/ Joe Paterno battles from many years ago. Amazing that Paterno is still coaching (I mean this statement in a positive way)


it's a go!

http://www.rolltide.com/sports....ed-10.html

the tide will be in happy valley in 2011...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have I mentioned Alabama is still looking pretty Good !!!
Steve


It's looking like a Tide vs. Gators rematch... still have to get past Miss St. who has actually played well despite a number of close losses to ranked teams, and the Tigers who will always play hard in the Iron Bowl.
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It's looking like a Tide vs. Gators rematch... still have to get past
Miss St. who has actually played well despite a number of close
losses to ranked teams, and the Tigers who will always play hard
in the Iron Bowl.


Yes, it is the unexpected broadside from an unranked team, or
one just barely in the top 25 that will nail you when a team is
looking ahead to other games. In 1980 Miss. State ended the
Tide's record 28 game winning streak and in 1982 Southern
Miss. gave Alabama the 1st loss in Tuscaloosa since 1963.

The Tide needs to take every game seriously and not even think
about Florida until they get past Miss. State and Auburn. Anything
can happen ( and has !!) in the Alabama-Auburn game.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arthurdawg wrote:
Stevewc wrote:
Have I mentioned Alabama is still looking pretty Good !!!
Steve


It's looking like a Tide vs. Gators rematch... still have to get past Miss St. who has actually played well despite a number of close losses to ranked teams, and the Tigers who will always play hard in the Iron Bowl.


I'll start out by admitting I have not checked the league rules, but it seems to me the Tide should be guaranteed a spot in the SEC championship game. The Tide is 6-0 in league play with 2 games to go. LSU already has 2 losses and everyone else in the SEC West has more than 2 losses. One of LSU's losses is to the Tide. So, even if the Tide loses its last 2 SEC games and LSU wins it's remaining SEC games, thus tieing for the SEC west title, it would seem the Tide should play in the championship game by virtue of its win over LSU. Yes?

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gatorman wrote:
arthurdawg wrote:
Stevewc wrote:
Have I mentioned Alabama is still looking pretty Good !!!
Steve


It's looking like a Tide vs. Gators rematch... still have to get past Miss St. who has actually played well despite a number of close losses to ranked teams, and the Tigers who will always play hard in the Iron Bowl.


I'll start out by admitting I have not checked the league rules, but it seems to me the Tide should be guaranteed a spot in the SEC championship game. The Tide is 6-0 in league play with 2 games to go. LSU already has 2 losses and everyone else in the SEC West has more than 2 losses. One of LSU's losses is to the Tide. So, even if the Tide loses its last 2 SEC games and LSU wins it's remaining SEC games, thus tieing for the SEC west title, it would seem the Tide should play in the championship game by virtue of its win over LSU. Yes?

gatorman


You are correct. Alabama will play Florida in the SEC Championship game regardless of the outcome of the remaining games.
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greg24 wrote:
diasurfer wrote:
Yup, that was tough. Since the Rose Bowl was probably their most realistic goal anyway (and they can still get there), losing the QB was worse than losing the game. Here's hoping he makes a miraculous recovery.


Rampant rumors on the message boards that Stanzi had surgery today to re-attach a torn tendon. If true, he is out till next year. Sad

A loss at OSU this weekend seems almost certain, but a win hosting Minnesota next week would give them a 10-2 season. Not bad. Some prognosticators think a 10-2 Iowa team would get a BCS at-large bid since Iowa fans travel so well.

Personally, I think one big reason the Big Ten does so poorly in bowl games is they get more BCS bids than any other conference. This raises every other Big Ten bowl team up a bowl, making all the matchups more difficult. Seeing only one Big Ten team in a BCS bowl would be fine with me.


Greg, sorry if that's true on your quarterback.

Heck, I'd be happy if Purdue won out and made it to a bowl in general. Also, I agree with you on the BCS thing. Seems like the Big Ten just doesn't do as well outside of the conference when it comes to the BCS.

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wilson08 wrote:
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It's looking like a Tide vs. Gators rematch... still have to get past
Miss St. who has actually played well despite a number of close
losses to ranked teams, and the Tigers who will always play hard
in the Iron Bowl.


Yes, it is the unexpected broadside from an unranked team, or
one just barely in the top 25 that will nail you when a team is
looking ahead to other games. In 1980 Miss. State ended the
Tide's record 28 game winning streak and in 1982 Southern
Miss. gave Alabama the 1st loss in Tuscaloosa since 1963.

The Tide needs to take every game seriously and not even think
about Florida until they get past Miss. State and Auburn. Anything
can happen ( and has !!) in the Alabama-Auburn game.

Wilson

Punt, Bama, Punt!
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Personally, I think one big reason the Big Ten does so poorly in bowl games is they get more BCS bids than any other conference. This raises every other Big Ten bowl team up a bowl, making all the matchups more difficult. Seeing only one Big Ten team in a BCS bowl would be fine with me.


I've always lived in the southeast, so I'm partial to the SEC and ACC, but it seems to me the main reason that Big 10 teams have post-season problems is:
To construct a team to win during the Big 10 regular season, you need big, strong (& slow) players to "grind it out" on what is often bad field conditions.

However, the bowls are typically in good weather on a fast field, just the conditions that sun-belt teams play in all season and are built for.

Plus, I believe over the past 5-10 years, the SEC has concentrated the best coaches in college football (related to ridiculously high salaries), and for college teams with one big game with lots of time to prepare, coaching is the biggest factor.
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Punt, Bama, Punt!


I was thinking more about Van Tiffin's 52 yard
field goal for the Tide win in 1985, rather than the
1972 17-16 debacle( "a day that will live in infamy")
but it is all part of the lore.....

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foodnerd wrote:
Greg, sorry if that's true on your quarterback.


Official word is it was minor surgery. Should be back for the bowl game, and a smidge of a chance he'll be back for the Minnesota game.

foodnerd wrote:
Heck, I'd be happy if Purdue won out and made it to a bowl in general. Also, I agree with you on the BCS thing. Seems like the Big Ten just doesn't do as well outside of the conference when it comes to the BCS.


Hopefully it happens. Good luck!
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fishndoc wrote:
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Personally, I think one big reason the Big Ten does so poorly in bowl games is they get more BCS bids than any other conference. This raises every other Big Ten bowl team up a bowl, making all the matchups more difficult. Seeing only one Big Ten team in a BCS bowl would be fine with me.


I've always lived in the southeast, so I'm partial to the SEC and ACC, but it seems to me the main reason that Big 10 teams have post-season problems is:
To construct a team to win during the Big 10 regular season, you need big, strong (& slow) players to "grind it out" on what is often bad field conditions.

However, the bowls are typically in good weather on a fast field, just the conditions that sun-belt teams play in all season and are built for.

Plus, I believe over the past 5-10 years, the SEC has concentrated the best coaches in college football (related to ridiculously high salaries), and for college teams with one big game with lots of time to prepare, coaching is the biggest factor.

Another contributing factor to poor bowl play by the Big 10:
The SEC and ACC ( and others) have their championships games; the Big 10 doesn't and usually has 5-6 weeks off between the end of season and bowl seasons.
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Regarding the current news story about the Tennessee football players, it's sad that these young men have likely ruined the rest of their lives, but I still have to post something I heard yesterday:

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You can't spell "Stick 'em up!" without U T

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Go Bearcats!!! 10-0!

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What is going on with Southern Cal? Unbelievable breakdown!!


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bnw2001 wrote:
wbond wrote:
Stanford: the three loss team that no team in any conference would want to face next week.

And Cal loses. What a great weekend.


I second both points! Was so great to see the students rush the field. Finally, some school spirit. Laughing


Actually, isn't it better for Stanford's Rose Bowl chances if Cal beats Arizona (since AZ beat Stanford and currently only has one conference loss--although they do still have to play Oregon and USC)?

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1. Southern California is starting a "true" freshman quarterback. He'll be better next year and the year after, but right now he's learning on the job.

2. Southern California's two best wide receivers, Damian Williams and Ron Johnson, have each missed games this year. Damian Williams also is an excellent punt returner and has returned several for touchdowns this year.

3. Southern California's number one tight end, Anthony McCoy, has missed several games. His replacement dropped key passes in consecutive games.

4. Southern California lost its starting three linebackers from last year. All three were drafted in the first two rounds.

5. Southern California has lost numerous assistants and coordinators to other teams. To name just a few, Norm Chow, Lance Kiffin, Dewayne Walker, Steve Sarkesian.

(Edited to correct spelling of Damian William's first name - from "Damien" to "Damian".)
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What is going on with Southern Cal? Unbelievable breakdown!!


1. Southern California is starting a "true" freshman quarterback. He'll be better next year and the year after, but right now he's learning on the job.

2. Southern California's two best wide receivers, Damien Williams and Ron Johnson, have each missed games this year. Damien Williams also is an excellent punt returner and has returned several for touchdowns this year.

3. Southern California's number one tight end, Anthony McCoy, has missed several games. His replacement dropped key passes in consecutive games.

4. Southern California lost its starting three linebackers from last year. All three were drafted in the first two rounds.

5. Southern California has lost numerous assistants and coordinators to other teams. To name just a few, Norm Chow, Lance Kiffin, Dewayne Walker, Steve Sarkesian.


My avatar played for USC's first national championship team in the 20's, so it's not a team I despise.

But no amount of excuses will explain Stanford scoring more points than have ever been allowed at home by the Trojans in all of their storied history.

Hail, Stanford, Hail.
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What is going on with Southern Cal? Unbelievable breakdown!!



In college football, predictions are based on reputation and past performance even where the players involved in past performance are no longer around. So there could be nothing wrong other than expectations -- just because past high All-Americans recruited to play at USC (or Miami or Florida State or any other mini-dynasty team/period) performed exceedingly well does not mean the next group will also.
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Heisman voting has begun.

Cast your VOTE for Toby Gerhart early and often.

Beat Cal.
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Nice piece on Gerhart yesterday from the New York Times here.

Beat Cal.
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I went to an SMU game in Dallas this weekend. It's hard to believe they have gone from 1-10 to bowl eligible in one season. June Jones is a hell of a coach.
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And here's the WSJ on Harbaugh.

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gkaplan wrote:
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What is going on with Southern Cal? Unbelievable breakdown!!


1. Southern California is starting a "true" freshman quarterback. He'll be better next year and the year after, but right now he's learning on the job.

2. Southern California's two best wide receivers, Damian Williams and Ron Johnson, have each missed games this year. Damian Williams also is an excellent punt returner and has returned several for touchdowns this year.

3. Southern California's number one tight end, Anthony McCoy, has missed several games. His replacement dropped key passes in consecutive games.

4. Southern California lost its starting three linebackers from last year. All three were drafted in the first two rounds.

5. Southern California has lost numerous assistants and coordinators to other teams. To name just a few, Norm Chow, Lance Kiffin, Dewayne Walker, Steve Sarkesian.

(Edited to correct spelling of Damian William's first name - from "Damien" to "Damian".)


true dat... even though he is not a world beater, the tide would have probably lost a couple already without greg mcelroy under the helm. with scholarship restrictions, practice time restrictions, and every program running high powered spread attacks, recruiting aggressively, and high powered s&C programs, there margin is thinner every year.
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Every program has rebuilding years, bad luck years and USC is no exception. To declare 2009 the end of USC's dominance in the PAC 10 seems very premature and more like a case of recency bias to me. They still have loads of talent and I expect them to come back strong next year. Matt Barkley is one of the best looking QBs I've seen as a true freshman.
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mlebuf wrote:
Every program has rebuilding years, bad luck years and USC is no exception. To declare 2009 the end of USC's dominance in the PAC 10 seems very premature and more like a case of recency bias to me. They still have loads of talent and I expect them to come back strong next year. Matt Barkley is one of the best looking QBs I've seen as a true freshman.


LSU would have been a force with Ryan Perriloux at QB in 2008. That was the only thing lacking from a good squad. Due to all of the restrictions i noted above, it's very difficult to build depth at QB.
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diasurfer wrote:
What was with the Clemson fans rushing onto the field after the FSU win? That seemed excessive for beating an unranked team with a .500 record. This wasn't the first time they'd beat FSU was it?


A contingent of Clemson fans (mostly students and kids on the hill) always meet at midfield after the game. They rushed it the way they did because of the emotion of the win. That was basically the deciding game for the Atlantic division.

I was at the game and it was a very loud, exciting game. I had a buddy at the game who goes to a lot of SEC and Georgia games, and he said it was much more electric than any Georgia game he had been to. I didn't rush the field but if you were there you would understand why people rushed the field the way they did.

Today Clemson can lock up the Atlantic with a win over a bad Virginia team. They are 21 point favorites. Go Tigers!
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What was with the Clemson fans rushing onto the field after the FSU win? That seemed excessive for beating an unranked team with a .500 record. This wasn't the first time they'd beat FSU was it?


A contingent of Clemson fans (mostly students and kids on the hill) always meet at midfield after the game. They rushed it the way they did because of the emotion of the win. That was basically the deciding game for the Atlantic division.

I was at the game and it was a very loud, exciting game. I had a buddy at the game who goes to a lot of SEC and Georgia games, and he said it was much more electric than any Georgia game he had been to. I didn't rush the field but if you were there you would understand why people rushed the field the way they did.

Today Clemson can lock up the Atlantic with a win over a bad Virginia team. They are 21 point favorites. Go Tigers!


Dabo Swinney was a walk-on WR at Alabama in the early 90s, we all hope he does well! (except for losing to the Tide in the NC game every year! Wink )
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arthurdawg wrote:
Dabo Swinney was a walk-on WR at Alabama in the early 90s, we all hope he does well! (except for losing to the Tide in the NC game every year! Wink )


There are a lot of Alabama-Clemson connections there right now and in the past (The Clemson DC was a co-DC at Alabama last year and Danny Ford was an alum). I went to the game last year between the two teams... that was the first game of a former giant reawakening. I was at that game, and that was just a good ole fashioned hide tanning. Alabama is going to be a force for years to come with the players they are bringing in and their great coaching. Good luck against Florida for the de facto National Championship play in game!

Clemson is about to clinch it before even playing... with UNC just going up by 14 on BC and 4 minutes left it looks inevitable!
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