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| I/we rebalance on a specific date only. |
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| I/we rebalance based on "bands" or percentages and rebalanced in the last 30 days |
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| ... "bands" or percentages, but did not rebalance in the last 30 days |
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| I/we have a different strategy on rebalancing |
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| I/we don't rebalance, but like to answer polls anyways. |
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livesoft
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 12466
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: What's your rebalancing timing strategy? |
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I searched casually to see if there was a poll on rebalancing, but didn't find one. So here it is.
I'd really like to know if you rebalanced into equities in the last month though. |
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Rodc
Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 5394
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I rebalance on bands (20%) and have not yet hit a rebalance. But I also redirect new money into sectors that start to fall noticeably behind which slows the hitting of rebalance thresholds.
I have three funds, REIT, Small value, and International value in a brokerage account with trading fees, and so I do not redirect new money to those funds. I am close to rebalancing in the international value, fine on REITS and Small value. _________________ "all standard caveats apply" |
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chaz
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 6813
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Buddtholomew
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 468
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| chaz wrote: | | My TR fund rebalances itself - no help from me needed. |
Why even waste the time to post these condescending remarks?
I hit a rebalancing trigger (20%) after tax loss harvesting VFWIX (Ex-US) in a taxable account. Tomorrow marks the 31st day after the TLH so I am eligible to repurchase the fund without violating the wash sale rules. If only VG hadn't locked me out of the fund for violating their frequent trading policy.
Someone on this board mentioned that you can setup an auto-deduct plan with a single transaction and the same start and end dates. Can someone shed some light on how to accomplish this when the fund in your account is unavailable for violating the frequent trading policy? |
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DA

Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 660
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I rebalance once a year, on my birthday. That date came and went early in the year.
I use bands of +/- 5%, except for reit. For reit I use +/- 25%, since reits are a much smaller percentage of the portfolio (a constant 5%).
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MitchL
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Minneapolis
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Rebalance bands |
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I use 20% rebalancing bands.
I rebalanced to DFA Emerging Value earlier this month and redirected my monthly 401k contribution to DFA International Small Value on Friday (usually VG Short Treasury).
All asset classes now within 5% of goal except TIPS has slipped to 94.6%. |
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Sibelius
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I use 25% re-balancing bands. In my Vanguard rollover IRA I have small value and emerging markets. I re-balanced out of EM last October 31 and have not had to do anything since, although it is getting pretty close to the threshold with the collapse in the EM index fund. |
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Buckeye
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 322
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Buddtholomew wrote: |
.... If only VG hadn't locked me out of the fund for violating their frequent trading policy.....
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You can just send them a check. Frequent trading restrictions won't apply. |
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Judsen

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 720 Location: Birmingham, Al.
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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As I approached and began Required Minimum Distribution (RMD) and as I felt that the market was overdue a correction (Regression to Mean)
I let my Asset-Allocation (A-A) which is 70% Equities/30%Cash&Fixed creep up to 77% Equities. As anticipated, RMD and correction together have brought me (painless rebalance) to 68% Equities (TSM & VFIAX) and 32% Cash&Fixed. No muss no fuss no bother.
If S&P will go below 1200 and stay long enough for a proffessional crastinator to act I will add TSM in taxable.
If we are in for 7 lean years I will simply endure.
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tetractys

Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 2409 Location: Salish Sea Region
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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I like the 5/25 rule that you can read about in Larry Swedroe's book, Winning Investment Strategy, and also on various threads on this forum. I also rebalance sensibly whenever I invest new money. In the last half year I've bought a bunch of Total Stock Market, which has put my portfolio out of whack past the bands, so I'm just now mailing in a form to transfer some assets for rebalancing.
Best regards, Tet _________________ "Near panic conditions prevail in financial markets. People want to know what lies ahead. I cannot tell them because I do not know." -- George Soros |
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livesoft
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 12466
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Thanks everybody for the responses. It seems that 70% of folks like rebalancing based on bands. Do you use The Rolling Stones or something more modern?
I was hoping to get upwards of 100 votes on this. With more than 500 views (some redundant) I know that there are alot of lurkers out there. Here's your chance to be heard without revealing yourself! Thanks! |
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kdmusic
Joined: 08 Apr 2008 Posts: 158
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Rebalancing |
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I rebalance quarterly. New (monthly) money sits in a stable value account, and then on Jan 1, April 1, July 1, and Nov. 1, I distribute things to fit with my coffeehouse self. Rebalancing so frequently, the need for bands is mostly obviated. A small amount of money sitting in stable value helps calm me when things go as they have this year (even though the new money is a small part of the portfolio).
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jhd

Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 66 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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I like the 20% bands suggested by the Opportunistic Rebalancing paper (http://www.tdainstitutional.co....yanani.pdf). Pretty similar to the 5/25 rule - follow 20% bands, rebalance back to within 10% either way, and check every 1-4 weeks. I don't do the latter faithfully because of the time it takes, but it's a good goal.
No guarantee that this approach will continue its historic premium (maybe 0.3%-0.5%), but it's a system, and what matters is following a reasonable system, not trying to determining the perfect one. _________________ No, I'm not panicking. |
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DocHolliday

Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 237 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I rebalance when I fill up my Roth in the first quarter of each year. I do not use % bands. I do not look at my investments very often and feel it is better for me if I leave things on autopilot. Not looking is probably saving me some stress these days. |
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lazyrad
Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 71
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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I guess my strategy isnt that good
I rebalanced Friday to return to my AA, buying equities.
Oh well...
Anyone got a crystal ball?? |
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House Blend

Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 762
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I'm similar to Rodc. I use a 5%/20% rule for rebalancing, but I've had large chunks of non-wage income show up the past two months, which have gone 100% into equities. So I haven't had to make rebalancing moves lately.
Also, I only allow myself to check the error bars once per month (when new shares are purchased). So that's sort of like rebalancing 12 times per year instead of once/year. |
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Sheepdog

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1616 Location: Indiana, retired 1998 age 65
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Actually my allocation is at 30% stocks only, but it had drifted up to a little bit over 32%. The market rebalanced for me back to 30% now. _________________ Frame every so-called disaster with these words "in five years, will this matter?" |
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MitchL
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Minneapolis
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Rebalance bands |
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| MitchL wrote: | I use 20% rebalancing bands.
I rebalanced to DFA Emerging Value earlier this month and redirected my monthly 401k contribution to DFA International Small Value on Friday (usually VG Short Treasury).
All asset classes now within 5% of goal except TIPS has slipped to 94.6%. |
Nevermind. TIPS back to 101.45%...  |
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Tall Grass

Joined: 07 Jul 2008 Posts: 1196 Location: Kansas
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I don't usually rebalance until my target percentages deviate more than 5%... _________________ "I am less interested in the return on my money than the return of my money."
- Will Rogers |
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paul e

Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 121
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I only wish my mom had rebalanced along the way.. She has a sizeable equities portfolio which is 75% stocks. At 86 yrs of age, I dont have to tell you thats a problem. As her attorney-in-fact, Id love to rebalance this portfolio. However, to rebalance this to what it should be would cost probably near $200k in capital gains taxes, plus, doing it now after a year that is down about 30% is not exactly ideal. In addition, because of her age, when this portfolio is inherited, no capital gains tax will need be paid.
So, rebalancing now doesnt seem like the best move.. Its driving me a little nutty though, because part of me wants to do what should have been done all along.. shes a person who carried buy and hold to the extreme.. Rather, she practiced Buy and Forget, and thats not the same as buy and hold, even if she thinks it was. Buy and Hold, in my way of thinking, requires prudent management exercised by regular rebalancing to an age-appropriate asset allocation.. Now, for the reasons given above, I think Ill have to wait to inherit before I rebalance. |
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Buddtholomew
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 468
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Buckeye wrote: | | Buddtholomew wrote: |
.... If only VG hadn't locked me out of the fund for violating their frequent trading policy.....
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You can just send them a check. Frequent trading restrictions won't apply. |
Aah yes, but my cash is in VG MM fund. You can send them a check or use cash from an external account, but you cannot exchange from a money market account into a locked fund.  |
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livesoft
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 12466
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| But you can write a check on your MM fund and mail them that! |
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Ilovevolleyball

Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 333
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,
I have been rebalancing every quarter, in 401k and Roth. I am thinking I might want to move to bands. I need to read up I guess. 60% Stock and 40% Bond is my allocation.
Mike |
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Tall Grass

Joined: 07 Jul 2008 Posts: 1196 Location: Kansas
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Can't keep up wth my re-balancing...  _________________ "I am less interested in the return on my money than the return of my money."
- Will Rogers |
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CyberBob Moderator

Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: /home/bob
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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I never rebalance - my plan doesn't call for it.
Yes, keeping your stock/bond allocation balanced at a certain level is a manner of risk control and a way to keep your return characteristics at a certain level. But, depending on the way you view risk, rebalancing now could actually increase your risk
If I rebalanced now in the conventional sense, I would be selling bonds to buy stocks (which has historically been a good thing - buy low). But, my plan, rather than keep a certain static stock/bond allocation calls for controlling my risk by having a large number of years of withdrawals out of the stock market and in 'safe' assets. This money is completely independent of how my stock investments perform or how my overall portfolio fluctuates.
If I rebalanced from bonds into stocks, I would be severely shortening the number of years worth of safe money I have, therefore potentially increasing my risk because I would have fewer date-certain withdrawals tucked away - making me more reliant on having the market bounce back sooner. Essentially, in my plan, money can move from the stock pile to the bond pile when stocks do well, but never the other way around. _________________ (100-(VBTLX+VMMXX))VTWSX+((1-(COS(age)))*100)VBTLX+((1/(89-age))*100)VMMXX=100 |
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paul e

Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 121
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| CyberBob wrote: | I never rebalance - my plan doesn't call for it.
Yes, keeping your stock/bond allocation balanced at a certain level is a manner of risk control and a way to keep your return characteristics at a certain level. But, depending on the way you view risk, rebalancing now could actually increase your risk
If I rebalanced now in the conventional sense, I would be selling bonds to buy stocks (which has historically been a good thing - buy low). But, my plan, rather than keep a certain static stock/bond allocation calls for controlling my risk by having a large number of years of withdrawals out of the stock market and in 'safe' assets. This money is completely independent of how my stock investments perform or how my overall portfolio fluctuates.
If I rebalanced from bonds into stocks, I would be severely shortening the number of years worth of safe money I have, therefore potentially increasing my risk because I would have fewer date-certain withdrawals tucked away - making me more reliant on having the market bounce back sooner. Essentially, in my plan, money can move from the stock pile to the bond pile when stocks do well, but never the other way around. |
Isnt the conventional rebalancing not from bonds to stocks but from stocks to bonds? Generally when folks are young, they have a higher stock allocation than theyd want as they near retirement. Hence, they usually rebalance, over time, slowly, from stocks to bonds.. At age 30, for instance, assuming an 80 stock/20 bond ratio, over the next 30 yrs to retirement, if they allocate a single percent each year from stocks to bonds, theyll have a reasonable retirement ratio.. AT least, thats what Some people do Unfortnately, I havent been one of them  |
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dbr
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| paul e wrote: |
Isnt the conventional rebalancing not from bonds to stocks but from stocks to bonds? Generally when folks are young, they have a higher stock allocation than theyd want as they near retirement. Hence, they usually rebalance, over time, slowly, from stocks to bonds.. At age 30, for instance, assuming an 80 stock/20 bond ratio, over the next 30 yrs to retirement, if they allocate a single percent each year from stocks to bonds, theyll have a reasonable retirement ratio.. AT least, thats what Some people do Unfortnately, I havent been one of them  |
If there is a convention, which there may not be, I would think it would be the practice of maintaining a fixed AA in the face of varying returns of different asset classes. In bull markets that means stocks to bonds, but in bear markets it is the reverse. Changing AA with age is not rebalancing -- it is changing AA with age. |
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paul e

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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| dbr wrote: | | paul e wrote: |
Isnt the conventional rebalancing not from bonds to stocks but from stocks to bonds? Generally when folks are young, they have a higher stock allocation than theyd want as they near retirement. Hence, they usually rebalance, over time, slowly, from stocks to bonds.. At age 30, for instance, assuming an 80 stock/20 bond ratio, over the next 30 yrs to retirement, if they allocate a single percent each year from stocks to bonds, theyll have a reasonable retirement ratio.. AT least, thats what Some people do Unfortnately, I havent been one of them  |
If there is a convention, which there may not be, I would think it would be the practice of maintaining a fixed AA in the face of varying returns of different asset classes. In bull markets that means stocks to bonds, but in bear markets it is the reverse. Changing AA with age is not rebalancing -- it is changing AA with age. |
Sorry.. of course, youre right. However it does often get called 'rebalancing' just the same. After all, rebalancing with age in this manner seems just a variation on the rebalance to mitigate risk theme over time. I suppose, in the end, there are a number of reasons which one might use to 'rebalance'. Or not. |
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