"Consider transferring company stock in your 401(k) into a taxable account and taking the tax hit instead of transferring the stock to an IRA."
rich wrote:Thanks for the gems Taylor!
There is one quote I don't understand."Consider transferring company stock in your 401(k) into a taxable account and taking the tax hit instead of transferring the stock to an IRA."
Can someone explain why it make sense to do this? Thanks!
Taylor Larimore wrote:"To the extent possible, you should try to put bonds in tax-deferrred or tax-free account and put stocks in taxable accounts."
Taylor Larimore wrote:Hi Rich:
Mr. Solin devotes an entire Chapter explaining when and how this is done. Here's a portion:
"You leave your company with 1,000 shares of company stock that you purchased at different prices over the years. Today's share price is $50, so today your stock is worth $50,000. The cost basis however is just $10,000.
You're in the 35% tax bracket, and you rolled the stock and everything else in your 401(k) into an IRA. Years later, you sell the stock in your IRA for $75,000 and withdraw these funds. The federal tax bite, based on your tax bracket, would be $26,250 (assuming current tax rates).
In contrast, if you had stuck those stock shares in a taxable account when you quit your job, you would have paid an income tax of $3,500 and a $1,000 penalty, both based on the cost basis.
But when you sold the stock, your profit ($65,000) would have been taxed a the vastly preferable long-term capital gains rate of 15%. You'd have paid $9,750. When you add that to the tax and early withdrawal penalty you paid earlier ($4,500), your total bill would have been $14,250.
That's a lot better than $26,250."
Taylor Larimore wrote:rich wrote:Thanks for the gems Taylor!
There is one quote I don't understand."Consider transferring company stock in your 401(k) into a taxable account and taking the tax hit instead of transferring the stock to an IRA."
Can someone explain why it make sense to do this? Thanks!
Hi Rich:
Mr. Solin devotes an entire Chapter explaining when and how this is done. Here's a portion:
"You leave your company with 1,000 shares of company stock that you purchased at different prices over the years. Today's share price is $50, so today your stock is worth $50,000. The cost basis however is just $10,000.
You're in the 35% tax bracket, and you rolled the stock and everything else in your 401(k) into an IRA. Years later, you sell the stock in your IRA for $75,000 and withdraw these funds. The federal tax bite, based on your tax bracket, would be $26,250 (assuming current tax rates).
In contrast, if you had stuck those stock shares in a taxable account when you quit your job, you would have paid an income tax of $3,500 and a $1,000 penalty, both based on the cost basis.
But when you sold the stock, your profit ($65,000) would have been taxed a the vastly preferable long-term capital gains rate of 15%. You'd have paid $9,750. When you add that to the tax and early withdrawal penalty you paid earlier ($4,500), your total bill would have been $14,250.
That's a lot better than $26,250."
Best wishes.
Taylor
Adrian Nenu wrote:I did not read Solin's book "The Smartest 401(k) Book You'll Ever Read" but a friend of mine who did e-mailed me and stated that Solin recommended Fidelity. That's not too smart in my book.
Adrian
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"Dan Solin's wonderful book explains why the idea of tax-deferred retirement plans is so good and why so many plans are bad. Read it, attend to its cautions, act on its recommendations, and when the time comes, enjoy a comfortable retirement." --John C. Bogle
statsman wrote:Taylor Larimore wrote:"To the extent possible, you should try to put bonds in tax-deferrred or tax-free account and put stocks in taxable accounts."
In general, the comments I read are "if you have enough room for your entire bond allocation, put it in the tax-deferred accounts". But is this always true? Even if your bond allocation would fill up your tax-deferred accounts, wouldn't you still want some stocks in your tax-deferred accounts?
My last question is based on the belief that you want your tax-deferred accounts to be as large as possible heading into retirement. Going with all bonds would seem to limit its possible growth compared to having some stocks and some bonds in the tax-deferred accounts.
I guess the downside would be having to hold more tax-exempt muni bond funds in your taxable accounts, and some here seem to dislike that selection in their portfolios.
tfb wrote:I'm not very impressed by Solin's book. He basically just repeats and repackages what others said with very little original content of his own.
In general, the comments I read are "if you have enough room for your entire bond allocation, put it in the tax-deferred accounts. But is this always true? ".
Even if your bond allocation would fill up your tax-deferred accounts, wouldn't you still want some stocks in your tax-deferred accounts?
Adrian Nenu wrote:I did not read Solin's book "The Smartest 401(k) Book You'll Ever Read" but a friend of mine who did e-mailed me and stated that Solin recommended Fidelity. That's not too smart in my book.
Taylor and I had a discussion about this on the old board, with my taking your stated view originally. There is a very impressive paper (with 3-dimension graphs etc.) by Damon, Spatt & Zhang (you can Google it, I'm sure) on this question, which proves (on certain important assumptions) that Taylor's recommended asset location is correct. One of the assumptions of that DSZ paper is that you are saving at a high rate compared to the size of the portfolio, which means you can rebalance with new money. But that assumption demolishes the only real advantage of stocks in tax-exempt, which is tax-free rebalancing.
baw703916 wrote:If there is no yield penalty for buying tax-exempt rather than taxable bonds, why wouldn't you buy the tax exempt and put equities in tax-advantaged?
statsman wrote:But that's just me, and as we all know, I am not a Boglehead.
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