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scraig

Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 62
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Mortgage Rates |
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All of the financial media today predicts that the Fed will lower the rate again at the end of January. To me this means that mortgage rates will go down in the near future and I should wait - at least until the end of the month - to refinance.
Surprisingly, my mortgage person has advised me to refinance now at the current rate. While I trust his advice, it makes absoultly no sense to me. Could he be trying to lock me into a slightly higher rate?
I'd really appreciate it if someone more more familiar with rates and mortgages could give me some general guidance on this.
Thanks in advance. _________________ "Up again?! This is incredible. I'm.. I'm getting it."
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Parrot Head
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 22
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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The Fed meeting later this month will be discussing the reduction of the short term rates.
Most fixed rate mortgage rates follow the ups and down of the 10 year treasury rates
The Fed meeting, although it may have an impact on the mortgage rates, they do not go hand in hand. _________________ "I don't mind coming to work, but that eight hour wait to go home is nonsense." |
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stratton

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 7897 Location: Puget Sound
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Mortgage Rates |
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| scraig wrote: | All of the financial media today predicts that the Fed will lower the rate again at the end of January. To me this means that mortgage rates will go down in the near future and I should wait - at least until the end of the month - to refinance.
Surprisingly, my mortgage person has advised me to refinance now at the current rate. While I trust his advice, it makes absoultly no sense to me. Could he be trying to lock me into a slightly higher rate? |
Demand dynamics dwarf interest rate effects. During our last bear market Prime was lowered to around 1.x% yet the lowest I heard for a 30 year fixed mortgage was ~5.2%. I talked to a mortgage broker yesterday and it was 5.5%, 0 points, 30 year fixed, prime, for wholesale money. It was about 6% a few weeks ago.
If demand stays soft then a rate drop might catch up in a couple of months. Odds are the prime rate drop will cause people to rush out for mortgages and drive the rates up ~0.5% short term.
Demand is actually pretty high, but unless you're prime, you get high interest rates. Even low end of prime is paying a lot more in mortgage insurance with higher interest. By high demand I mean anyone with an adjustable mortgage or subprime would like to refinance, but might not be able too because or tightening credit requirements and (horrors!) someone actually checking the borrowers credit worthiness.
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GIS Guy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 98
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I am in the application phase of refinancing.
Nobody can predict what will happen with mortgage rates.
Indexes upon which ARMs are based on are more influenced by the Fed cuts, however the fixed rates are not so much.
I was told that in the past, the 30 yr fixed which I am applying for right now, is more influenced by the stock and bond maket. In the past, but not so much in recent past, the 30 yr fixed correlated well with the 10 yr Treasurey Note http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?....q=l&c=
In short, what will happen in the next 30, 60, or 90 days with the 30 yr fixed rates, nobody knows. But we all know they are near their record lows and you can't get much better than this (scroll down to the graphs at the bottom and look at that!) http://www.mortgage-x.com/trends.htm
The way I see it, the rates are likely to go down maybe a tad more in the short-term, but there is (from what I've researched) a chance in response to the market and inflation data we could see a huge jump all of a sudden in the 30 yr fixed rate.
Do you want an ARM or Fixed? I just locked in an 80% loan to value 30 yr. fixed cash-out refinance with a rate of 5.69%, and APR of 5.73% at Wachovia. If you are able to refi with no cash-out (they considered mine a cash-out because I am refinancing a mortgage AND equity credit balance) AND have a LOWER loan to value ratio, you can get a much lower rate at 5.5% give or take a little. I jumped on it because some inflation data could come back or the market could flip on a dime and the rates may jump back up to 6.5% overnight...no idea and impossible to predict.
Good luck,
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scraig

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Thanks to everyone for the helpful info. _________________ "Up again?! This is incredible. I'm.. I'm getting it."
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