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tgduffy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:32 pm    Post subject: Vanguard Short Term Federal Funds Reply with quote

I guess I need a lesson in reading yields from Vanguard's web page. When looking at the details of the VSGBX fund I see a reported 'yield' of 1.42%. I then see this history: ytd = 3.04%, 1 yr = 7.11%, 5 yr = 4.64%, etc. So when I am deciding where to keep "liquid" funds how do I compare my Amercian Express savings account paying 1.70%? Why wouldn't I compare it to the ytd or 1 yr yields which are obviosuly better. Why am I being directed to use the 1.42% as a comparison?
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livesoft



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NAV of a bond fund is not stuck on $1. It varies. Sometimes it goes up and sometimes it goes down. Can you stand for your emergency fund to lose 5%? 10%?

Total return includes the return from the yield and the return from the change in NAV. If you don't mind risk like me, then there is nothing wrong with putting your emergency fund in a short term bond fund. Just be aware that you might lose 10% or so of your fund.
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tgduffy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I'm still trying to reconcile between the 1.42% 'yield' and the ytd 'returns' of 3.04%.
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TJAJ9



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The yield is what the bond fund is currently yielding--just like if a savings account is yielding 1.5%. That's about how much you'd earn in one year on dividends/interest.

The YTD and 1 year returns, for example, are total return which includes NAV price movement plus dividends reinvested.

For what you're talking about, the NAV price has moved up on that bond fund, which is why it's at a YTD of 3.04%. If the NAV price drops, it could easily go down to something like a YTD of -1%, for example, even with the reinvested dividends.
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YDNAL



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:24 am    Post subject: Vanguard Short Term Federal Funds Reply with quote

tgduffy wrote:
Thanks. I'm still trying to reconcile between the 1.42% 'yield' and the ytd 'returns' of 3.04%.
tg,

Yield is the return to maturity. YTD return is yield + change in NAV (price) so far this year.

Roughly speaking......
1) On 1/2/2009, at the beginning of the year, VSGBX's price is $10.84 (yield 2.17%).
2) Price is $10.95 (yield 1.42%) now or +1.015% return in price.
3) The YTD return is 3.185% (again, roughly speaking) because of price gains in your return.

Notice that while price went up, the yield (to maturity in 2.2 years) went down 0.75%, so you are getting paid less monthly interest at the higher price.
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Eureka



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: Vanguard Short Term Federal Funds Reply with quote

tgduffy wrote:
I guess I need a lesson in reading yields from Vanguard's web page. When looking at the details of the VSGBX fund I see a reported 'yield' of 1.42%. I then see this history: ytd = 3.04%, 1 yr = 7.11%, 5 yr = 4.64%, etc. So when I am deciding where to keep "liquid" funds how do I compare my Amercian Express savings account paying 1.70%? Why wouldn't I compare it to the ytd or 1 yr yields which are obviosuly better. Why am I being directed to use the 1.42% as a comparison?


I wish I had seen that you explored this topic further in a separate thread before I spent 25 minutes clearing it up in the other thread about the same fund.Evil or Very Mad You still might find that explanation informative: http://www.bogleheads.org/foru....hp?t=45260
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