I'm right behind you, shorting Krispy Kreme Doughnuts. The Superior Pericenter Arbitrage Managment team will also stay the course while looking for something to wash down those doughnuts. Movies and junk food...Dovahkiin wrote:Shorting Netflix was disastrous, lol. I went from first place last night to middle of the road. The Black Hole Capital Fund was crushing the market but now its sucking all the investors money. Black Hole Capital Fund will stay the course and continue shorting NFLX, ignoring this "bubble."
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The Hedge Hog Fund (gotherelate) short position of CBOU was liquidated at $16.00 / share, trading ceased on 24-Jan-13. Caribou Coffee Company, Inc. : JAB Beech Inc. Completes Acquisition Of Caribou Coffee Company, Inc.
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Speaking of Krispy Kreme, did you see this story?LadyGeek wrote:The Hedge Hog Fund (gotherelate) short position of CBOU was liquidated at $16.00 / share, trading ceased on 24-Jan-13. Caribou Coffee Company, Inc. : JAB Beech Inc. Completes Acquisition Of Caribou Coffee Company, Inc.
I'm right behind you, shorting Krispy Kreme Doughnuts. The Superior Pericenter Arbitrage Managment team will also stay the course while looking for something to wash down those doughnuts. Movies and junk food...Dovahkiin wrote:Shorting Netflix was disastrous, lol. I went from first place last night to middle of the road. The Black Hole Capital Fund was crushing the market but now its sucking all the investors money. Black Hole Capital Fund will stay the course and continue shorting NFLX, ignoring this "bubble."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/2 ... 06217.html
How can one short a company with that kind of customer service!
cheers,
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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Go RadioShack (RSH)!
Just a nit - Why do the starting entries for RSH in the contest page show slightly different starting prices: $2.10 and $2.12 for different entrants? This could end up being the determinant for a career in my new hedge fund..........
Just a nit - Why do the starting entries for RSH in the contest page show slightly different starting prices: $2.10 and $2.12 for different entrants? This could end up being the determinant for a career in my new hedge fund..........
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"Reversion to the Meme" was given a 1% bonus in starting prices due to his winning the Name contest.BobSail wrote:Go RadioShack (RSH)!
Just a nit - Why do the starting entries for RSH in the contest page show slightly different starting prices: $2.10 and $2.12 for different entrants? This could end up being the determinant for a career in my new hedge fund..........
Retirement investing is a marathon.
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Thanks for the clarification kenyan.
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The First Quarter results are in... I've got a firm hold on 4th from the bottom. Bogleheads 2013 Hedge Fund Contest
Someone please remind me to never short junk food - KKD (Krispy Kreme Doughnuts).
Someone please remind me to never short junk food - KKD (Krispy Kreme Doughnuts).
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Wondering why I am not on the list...
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Stil N D Nile follows in the footsteps of his brother Hap E in keeping strong first quarter results....
Riding on a wave of gut-guided choices, the D Nile brothers gleefully cheer on the continual slide of Apple stock and blissfully ignore how Occidental has let them down once again.
Riding on a wave of gut-guided choices, the D Nile brothers gleefully cheer on the continual slide of Apple stock and blissfully ignore how Occidental has let them down once again.
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Dang it, my shorts are doing WAY better than my longs
Thankfully I am long on all of these in real life
Thankfully I am long on all of these in real life
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http://libra-investments.com/hf/bh.htmlLadyGeek wrote:The First Quarter results are in... I've got a firm hold on 4th from the bottom. Bogleheads 2013 Hedge Fund Contest
Someone please remind me to never short junk food - KKD (Krispy Kreme Doughnuts).
LadyGeek,
Hmm...it looks like your hold on 4th from the bottom has slipped and you are now in last place by a reasonably wide margin- down 62%!
This reminds me of an interesting piece of hedge fund conventional wisdom. I once read that if a hedge fund loses 50% (or more) it is basically done- i.e. will fold up shop and close. Investors figure if you can lose half, you can lose it all.
This conventional wisdom is referred to here for example
http://www.davemanuel.com/2008/12/04/ci ... -november/
cheers,
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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Tis but a scratch. I'll wait for the 2nd quarter results.
(I'm ignoring this as market noise: Krispy Kreme Skyrockets)
(I'm ignoring this as market noise: Krispy Kreme Skyrockets)
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That HPQ short is a widow maker. Despite that (and losing 25% of my investor's money) I seem to have moved up from dead last.zaboomafoozarg wrote:Dang it, my shorts are doing WAY better than my longs
Thankfully I am long on all of these in real life
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Not bad. Beating the Dow, S+P, NASDAQ and Russell 2000 by shorting last year's winner's longs and going long on last year's winner's shorts. That's better than my FFNOX is doing in real life, and I don't even know what stocks I am betting on!
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Stil N D Nile is stil in d lead, but New Deal Hedgefund (BHCadet) is breathing down the D Nile brothers' necks. Who knew Best Buy would turn it around so dramatically? Well, who other than BHCadet.
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Now sitting in second, I’ve no idea what I was betting on.Mudpuppy wrote:Stil N D Nile is stil in d lead, but New Deal Hedgefund (BHCadet) is breathing down the D Nile brothers' necks. Who knew Best Buy would turn it around so dramatically? Well, who other than BHCadet.
I was simply picked the two top winners from last year as losers and the two bottom losers as winners.
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Well said!LadyGeek wrote:Tis but a scratch. I'll wait for the 2nd quarter results.
(I'm ignoring this as market noise: Krispy Kreme Skyrockets)
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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Wait....that's what I did!! How come you are beating me?? (jealous....)BHCadet wrote:Now sitting in second, I’ve no idea what I was betting on.Mudpuppy wrote:Stil N D Nile is stil in d lead, but New Deal Hedgefund (BHCadet) is breathing down the D Nile brothers' necks. Who knew Best Buy would turn it around so dramatically? Well, who other than BHCadet.
I was simply picked the two top winners from last year as losers and the two bottom losers as winners.
(More than likely I screwed up. Oh well. What's a few billion dollars of shareholder's assets anyway, so long as I collect my fee?)
oh wait...I get it. You bottom-fed. I just took the winner's picks and turned them around, shorting the longs and vice versa. I like your strategy better....you deserve to win.
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By the way, in case you missed it, the Vanguard Market Neutral fund (VMNFX) is having a good year. It is up 5% for the year
beating both its benchmark and competitors.
http://www.morningstar.com/invest/funds ... l-inv.html
personally i'd rather see that as the contest benchmark rather than Vanguard Total Stock market (VTSMX)
probably because I am beating VMNFX but not VTSMX!
cheers,
beating both its benchmark and competitors.
http://www.morningstar.com/invest/funds ... l-inv.html
personally i'd rather see that as the contest benchmark rather than Vanguard Total Stock market (VTSMX)
probably because I am beating VMNFX but not VTSMX!
cheers,
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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Ah, but it's not about winning. It's about having fun and showing just how often the law of averages has random stock selections end up under the index.grok87 wrote:personally i'd rather see that as the contest benchmark rather than Vanguard Total Stock market (VTSMX)
probably because I am beating VMNFX but not VTSMX!
cheers,
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agree. but remember we're picking two long and two short. So really tbills should be the benchmark which is what the vanguard market neutral fund uses as its benchmarkMudpuppy wrote:Ah, but it's not about winning. It's about having fun and showing just how often the law of averages has random stock selections end up under the index.grok87 wrote:personally i'd rather see that as the contest benchmark rather than Vanguard Total Stock market (VTSMX)
probably because I am beating VMNFX but not VTSMX!
cheers,
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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Or, about having buyer's remorse for an entire year. If I had only swapped my long and short positions...Mudpuppy wrote:Ah, but it's not about winning. It's about having fun and showing just how often the law of averages has random stock selections end up under the index.
Hang on, my long pick just tanked: Exide Technologies (XIDE) (filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on June 10)
I'm trailblazing at the bottom of the heap right now, last position is firmly entrenched.
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interestingly exide technologies was owned by the vanguard small cap value index (and ishares) but not RZV (Guggenheim S&P SmallCap 600 Pure Value ETF). I own both the vanguard and guggenheim funds and RZV has been outperforming of late.LadyGeek wrote:Or, about having buyer's remorse for an entire year. If I had only swapped my long and short positions...Mudpuppy wrote:Ah, but it's not about winning. It's about having fun and showing just how often the law of averages has random stock selections end up under the index.
Hang on, my long pick just tanked: Exide Technologies (XIDE) (filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on June 10)
I'm trailblazing at the bottom of the heap right now, last position is firmly entrenched.
It raises an interesting question in the small cap value space. Does the S&P indexing approach (which involves a committee) have an edge in the small cap value space?- i.e. the committee can kick out companies that look like doomed bad bets no matter what the metrics say. I think it is generally thought that in the large cap space the S&P approach (i.e. the S&P 500) does not add value.
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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From looking at the standings, it appears that AAPL (Apple), GOOG (Google), and UAL (United Airlines) have all gone bankrupt.
A scripting update may be needed.
A scripting update may be needed.
Most of my posts assume no behavioral errors.
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It's time for the 2nd quarter results - the last trading day of the 2nd quarter was Friday.
Interesting, as AAPL only went bankrupt for mudpuppy, who just happens to be in first place. GOOG is only bankrupt for matjen (5th place).
However, I've got a solid hold on last place.
XIDE has changed it's ticker to XIDEQ, which is at 0.1270. It's not quite dead yet.
Update: I PM'd Norbert Schlenker about the discrepancies. Member rankings: Bogleheads 2013 Hedge Fund Contest :: Fund List
Interesting, as AAPL only went bankrupt for mudpuppy, who just happens to be in first place. GOOG is only bankrupt for matjen (5th place).
However, I've got a solid hold on last place.
XIDE has changed it's ticker to XIDEQ, which is at 0.1270. It's not quite dead yet.
Update: I PM'd Norbert Schlenker about the discrepancies. Member rankings: Bogleheads 2013 Hedge Fund Contest :: Fund List
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Apparently SAM went bankrupt too.
"..the cavalry ain't comin' kid, you're on your own..."
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Thanks, LG!
Is UAL behaving strangely because of the merger with Continental, or was the stock transaction already completed before this year?
Other spurious bankruptcies I see:
CSCO (Cisco)
BAC (Bank of America)
GRPN (Groupon)
RAIL (FreightCar America)
NKE (Nike)
KMB (Kimberly Clark)
TEX (Terex)
CTGX (Computer Task Group)
SGEN (Seattle Genetics)
DVN (Devon Energy)
TNAV (Telenav)
Ones that may be real:
KITD
GKK
OUTD
Is UAL behaving strangely because of the merger with Continental, or was the stock transaction already completed before this year?
Other spurious bankruptcies I see:
CSCO (Cisco)
BAC (Bank of America)
GRPN (Groupon)
RAIL (FreightCar America)
NKE (Nike)
KMB (Kimberly Clark)
TEX (Terex)
CTGX (Computer Task Group)
SGEN (Seattle Genetics)
DVN (Devon Energy)
TNAV (Telenav)
Ones that may be real:
KITD
GKK
OUTD
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Looks like the final second quarter results are out--thanks to LadyGeek and Norbert for fixing the calculations.
Mudpuppy is in fact in first place, but doesn't have a lead quite as commanding as it had appeared.
Livesoft and I are both doing rather well. It's worth noting that our portfolios are both based on word plays with company names and symbols--so any skill is probably more applicable to Scrabble or crosswords than to active management.
Raging Mage seems to have quite a good random number generator--its machine-picked portfolio is also beating the benchmark!
Mudpuppy is in fact in first place, but doesn't have a lead quite as commanding as it had appeared.
Livesoft and I are both doing rather well. It's worth noting that our portfolios are both based on word plays with company names and symbols--so any skill is probably more applicable to Scrabble or crosswords than to active management.
Raging Mage seems to have quite a good random number generator--its machine-picked portfolio is also beating the benchmark!
Most of my posts assume no behavioral errors.
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I missed the scripting-induced "bankruptcies". I would have liked to have seen Apple "bankrupt", even if only due to a scripting error.
And let's not forget SPAM, LadyGeek's hedge fund, in a commanding last place finish. It's not all about beating the benchmark.
And let's not forget SPAM, LadyGeek's hedge fund, in a commanding last place finish. It's not all about beating the benchmark.
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I dunno. I think my fund may be the only one with 3 losers out of 4 stocks including I think the biggest loser at this time (except for Exide).baw703916 wrote:Livesoft and I are both doing rather well. ....
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Hopefully in real life you are in low-cost index funds....(chimerical smile)LadyGeek wrote:Or, about having buyer's remorse for an entire year. If I had only swapped my long and short positions...Mudpuppy wrote:Ah, but it's not about winning. It's about having fun and showing just how often the law of averages has random stock selections end up under the index.
Hang on, my long pick just tanked: Exide Technologies (XIDE) (filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on June 10)
I'm trailblazing at the bottom of the heap right now, last position is firmly entrenched.
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You still collect the 2% even if you miss out on the 20%Mudpuppy wrote: It's not all about beating the benchmark.
Most of my posts assume no behavioral errors.
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further on the topic of correcting glitches. DRL is not up 2200%. Its stock has recently done a reverse 20-1 split. So its up only like 11% or something like that.
cheers,
cheers,
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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Also still seems to be some spurious "bankruptcies" happening. The script is having issues no doubt. Good thing this is all just a game.grok87 wrote:further on the topic of correcting glitches. DRL is not up 2200%. Its stock has recently done a reverse 20-1 split. So its up only like 11% or something like that.
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Fixed.
Since this has happened twice in three days, in both cases caused by the quote source refusing connections around 6 pm Eastern, the script's execution schedule has been postponed for 20 minutes (so the update should be available around 18:20 each business day). With luck, that solves the problem.
Enjoy Independence Day. Have a hot dog for me.
Since this has happened twice in three days, in both cases caused by the quote source refusing connections around 6 pm Eastern, the script's execution schedule has been postponed for 20 minutes (so the update should be available around 18:20 each business day). With luck, that solves the problem.
Enjoy Independence Day. Have a hot dog for me.
Nothing can protect people who want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Thanks, have a beer for me.
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Krispy Kreme had a very bad day. Congratulations!LadyGeek wrote:Thanks, have a beer for me.
Also as I was checking out your Krispy Kreme position, I noticed that I am now in 8th place! Who knew!
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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Thanks, I think. I love the way financial news is reported, as they always try to associate the company with a relevant title: Krispy Kreme Gets Dunked on Expansion Worries I see this on Nightly Business Report, as well.
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I've wondered whether many stock analysts are frustrated authors, hence the colorful metaphors.LadyGeek wrote:Thanks, I think. I love the way financial news is reported, as they always try to associate the company with a relevant title: Krispy Kreme Gets Dunked on Expansion Worries I see this on Nightly Business Report, as well.
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I'm surprised nobody bought TSLA. Then again, looking at the past makes it really easy to pick stocks
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It's time for the 3rd quarter results.
I'm 6th from the bottom. Junk food is doing just fine (KKD - Krispy Kreme Doughnuts).
The market is in 9th position, just behind grok87.
I'm 6th from the bottom. Junk food is doing just fine (KKD - Krispy Kreme Doughnuts).
The market is in 9th position, just behind grok87.
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I missed this contest before, somehow. Can I start a hedge fund mid year ?
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Thanks.LadyGeek wrote:It's time for the 3rd quarter results.
I'm 6th from the bottom. Junk food is doing just fine (KKD - Krispy Kreme Doughnuts).
The market is in 9th position, just behind grok87.
Who says you can't beat the market!
The other thing I like about my picks is that each of my 4 picks is now in the black, er green.
Rannumgen Capital also has this...
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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In case anyone misses this, here's the top 10 as of 30-Sep (end of 3Q). See: Bogleheads 2013 Hedge Fund Contest :: Fund List (updated daily after market close)
- New Deal Hedgefund (BHCadet) +68.7
- Stil N D Nile (Mudpuppy) +55.5
- The Quicker-Picker-Maybe-Upper Fund (Raging Mage) +38.5
- The Full Spectrum Fund (baw703916) +29.8
- Medical Inflation Protection Fund (dhc) +29.3
- Infidelity Contrabandista Fund (protagonist) +24.7
- LOP Strategic Inverse Fund (BobSail) +23.0
- Consternatio Partners (grok87) +21.6
- I Don't Know and I Don't Care (Benchmark) +19.6
- Rannumgen Capital (NightOwl) +19.2
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Dang, I would be in 4th place if I hadn't been tardy with my picks. Next year!
Retirement investing is a marathon.
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There was quite a special failure of the quote script on the benchmark portfolio this evening. I could fix the results page but I think I'll leave it as is to make everyone feel fabulous for 24 hours.
Nothing can protect people who want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Alright - finally everyone beat the benchmark!
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I'm tied for 4th (not counting the "benchmark"!)
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Yes! Yes! Yes!
RIP Mr. Bogle.
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You made me look. I've got a lock on 2nd (from the bottom). If Best Buy didn't tank today (BBY), I'd be a lot closer.
- Bogleheads 2013 Hedge Fund Contest :: Fund List
- Bogleheads 2013 Hedge Fund Contest :: Fund List
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Looks like you have successfully executed on your "Seeking Omega" strategy!LadyGeek wrote:You made me look. I've got a lock on 2nd (from the bottom). If Best Buy didn't tank today (BBY), I'd be a lot closer.
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RIP Mr. Bogle.
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The Bogleheads 2014 Hedgefund Contest has been announced: Bogleheads 2014 Hedge fund contest