Bob's not my name wrote:You don't miss out on tax-advantaged space if you put off your Roth IRA contribution until April 2013.
Well done on both points. Most posters don't understand their tax situation this well.SVT wrote:Bob's not my name wrote:You don't miss out on tax-advantaged space if you put off your Roth IRA contribution until April 2013.
Yeah, that's what I've been doing the last couple years actually; contributing the max at the very end of the tax year.
Oh about the 28% bracket, I end up being at the top of the 25% bracket after maxing 401k, taking standard deduction and personal exemption, and health insurance contribution.
Bob's not my name wrote:Well done on both points. Most posters don't understand their tax situation this well.SVT wrote:Bob's not my name wrote:You don't miss out on tax-advantaged space if you put off your Roth IRA contribution until April 2013.
Yeah, that's what I've been doing the last couple years actually; contributing the max at the very end of the tax year.
Oh about the 28% bracket, I end up being at the top of the 25% bracket after maxing 401k, taking standard deduction and personal exemption, and health insurance contribution.

EmergDoc wrote:5-6% guaranteed investment? Where do I sign up?
SVT wrote:Debt: School loans only -
$37,300 @ 6.00% fixed for 30 years (28 years left and a $238/month payment)
$3,400 @ 6.25% variable ($17/month payment)
$14,670 @ 5.25% variable ($64/month payment)
I also understand the argument that savings and CD rates are low and no where near the amount of the interest rates on my loans but the $37,000 loan is a 30 year loan and I'm sure the interest rates will rise where I could get an equivalent rate for savings and CDs eventually. I have gotten to a point where sometimes I feel like I should just pay off all my loans (or at least the 2 variable loans for now) but them sometimes I feel like I should save more money first to ensure I have some liquidity in case something happens.
Do Bogleheads really suggest I should pay off all of these loans completely ASAP before investing in taxable instead of using the money to invest long term in tax efficient index funds?
archbish99 wrote:Could you get the same or better expected return in the market? Sure. The key word there is "expected." Paying down the loans gives you two advantages:
- Guaranteed return, rather than risky expected return
- Decreased "mandatory" expenses each month, bringing your emergency budget down and your financial flexibility up.
dyangu wrote:Posts like these makes me wonder if we should have peer to peer lending for student loans. I'm sure 90% of Bogleheads would love to lend you money at 6% or even 5% for 30 years, if you can provide collateral to insure against default.
market timer wrote:dyangu wrote:Posts like these makes me wonder if we should have peer to peer lending for student loans. I'm sure 90% of Bogleheads would love to lend you money at 6% or even 5% for 30 years, if you can provide collateral to insure against default.
If someone has collateral that isn't already backing a loan or part of an emergency fund, he likely doesn't have a student loan.
dyangu wrote:Ah but the OP maxed out his 401k and is planning on investing in taxable instead of paying off student loan. I know a few people in real life who are doing the same. Some people think 10% returns are easy and don't have the risk adverse gene. I'm willing to loan them the money if I get to make margin calls
market timer wrote:However, the consensus in this thread is not to invest in taxable before paying down student loans.
relentless wrote:market timer wrote:However, the consensus in this thread is not to invest in taxable before paying down student loans.
To be specific--not to invest in taxable before paying off student loans for the OP at his income with his interest rates. I am actually wondering if someone in his position with a six figure income may be better off maxing out I-bonds before maximally paying off loans if they anticipate wanting and not being able to buy enough I-bonds in a few years after the debt would be gone. For example, if you are married and would want 40K of Ibonds next year you may be willing to pay the extra interest and purchase 20K this year and 20K next year since you CAN'T purchase 40K next year. The savings in taxes if redeemed in a lower bracket could far outweigh the upfront interest cost. It seems a common complaint that people can't get enough of them.
relentless wrote:You are doing pretty well overall and are obviously bright. I agree with others that 6+ percent is pretty high and as you noted you don't get any tax deduction on the student loan interest. Student loans are riskier than other loans because they are not bankruptable and are very difficult to get rid of short of dying.
SVT wrote:And honestly, I don't know much about I-bonds at all at this point. I had always just thought about having some cash for emergency/short term purchases, then investing in equities in taxable after maxing tax advantaged.
Any advice in regards to purchasing I-bonds (whether I should or shouldn't and when) would be welcomed.
SVT wrote:- I guess taking a 401k loan out with a combination of one or some of the above methods is also an option, although, according to the 401k administrator of my new company, the interest rate for loans are 5.25%, so I'm not sure this would be a good idea
Nukeboilermaker wrote:I don't know how your company does the 401k match... But my company (my understanding at least) I only get the company match on the paychecks that I contribute to my 401k on. So if you max out your 401k too early then you are leaving company match on the table (something to consider and think about as you mentioned nearly hitting the 17k all ready)
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