Why not just buy non-iron shirts?Alskar wrote:I also take my work clothes to the laundry and pay to have them cleaned and pressed. I don't think this is a money-saver, but there is NO WAY I'm spending the very little free time I have ironing shirts and pants. Not going to happen...
Economics of eating out
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I would think so. Yet for some reason the "flash frozen" alaskan salmon i get at costco does not taste as good as the thawed alaskan salmon I get.stoptothink wrote: Out of curiosity, why don't you just buy frozen protein and vegetables/fruit to begin with? Not only is it cheaper, but because of the flash freezing process it is almost assuredly more fresh than "fresh" meats and produce.
I'm thinking the quality of prepackaged frozen products are just inferior to begin with.
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Out eating out "strategy" is similiar. DH and I like to go out for sushi, pho (which I've made, but not as good as some of the local restaurants), other ethnic foods, and sometimes high-end seafood. I haven't had a steak in a restaurant in years, simply because my DH can grill a better one at home, and I will NEVER order pasta at a restaurant because I'm sure to be disappointed.KyleAAA wrote:I enjoy eating out, but usually only ethnic food or at nicer restaurants. I can make better food for less at home than most fast food joints. I can't recreate a fine dining experience at home, though.
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I guess count me as one on the "only eat out" side of the spectrum -- I have not used my kitchen since I moved into my apartment 6 months ago.
I live in the NYC area and a $7 burrito at Chipotle is worth its weight in gold compared with the time and hassle of grocery shopping, cooking food, cleaning dishes, remembering to defrost meat, etc.
I live in the NYC area and a $7 burrito at Chipotle is worth its weight in gold compared with the time and hassle of grocery shopping, cooking food, cleaning dishes, remembering to defrost meat, etc.
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I track my expenses pretty closely, so I can share actual data. This is for a family of two lacto-ovo-vegetarian adults (spouse and me).
In the 3-year period between 01/01/2009 and 12/31/2011, our "Groceries" expense category is at $11,364.31. This includes *all* spending at grocery stores (e.g. cleaning supplies, toiletries, etc.), not just food purchases. But I'll use this number to get a conservative estimate.
Breakfast, lunch, and dinner equate to 6 meals a day, or 365 x 3 x 6 = 6,570 meals over 3 years. We rarely eat out, once in 2 weeks is on the high side. So that's 26 x 3 x 2 = 156 meals over 3 years as an upper bound. Factor 3 weeks of vacation per year away from home (again on the high side), that's 21 x 3 x 6 = 378 meals. So, a very conservative lower bound on the number of meals we've eaten at home in these 3 years is 6,570 - 156 - 378 = 6,036 meals.
Dividing $11,364.31 by 6,036 meals gives an average of $1.88 per meal over this 3 year period. And this is a very loose upper bound, I'm sure our actual costs were at least 10-15% lower.
P.S. We eat very healthy (lots of fresh vegetables, fruits, whole grain, no pre-packaged/frozen foods, no "extreme couponing", everything prepared from scratch). We're both salaried, so I don't value the time I spend cooking in dollars. Plus cooking together is a great way to spend quality time with your spouse/family after a tough day at work.
In the 3-year period between 01/01/2009 and 12/31/2011, our "Groceries" expense category is at $11,364.31. This includes *all* spending at grocery stores (e.g. cleaning supplies, toiletries, etc.), not just food purchases. But I'll use this number to get a conservative estimate.
Breakfast, lunch, and dinner equate to 6 meals a day, or 365 x 3 x 6 = 6,570 meals over 3 years. We rarely eat out, once in 2 weeks is on the high side. So that's 26 x 3 x 2 = 156 meals over 3 years as an upper bound. Factor 3 weeks of vacation per year away from home (again on the high side), that's 21 x 3 x 6 = 378 meals. So, a very conservative lower bound on the number of meals we've eaten at home in these 3 years is 6,570 - 156 - 378 = 6,036 meals.
Dividing $11,364.31 by 6,036 meals gives an average of $1.88 per meal over this 3 year period. And this is a very loose upper bound, I'm sure our actual costs were at least 10-15% lower.
P.S. We eat very healthy (lots of fresh vegetables, fruits, whole grain, no pre-packaged/frozen foods, no "extreme couponing", everything prepared from scratch). We're both salaried, so I don't value the time I spend cooking in dollars. Plus cooking together is a great way to spend quality time with your spouse/family after a tough day at work.
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DW enjoys cooking, so we rarely eat out.
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We'd eat out more but money is tight. We have a young child and of course he loves Happy Meals, so we may go as a treat for him every couple of weeks. I did buy some Big Mac and French Fry coupons from Living Social that makes McD more affordable for the parents.
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We eat out when the food we are interested in having is something we can't/won't make at home...fish readily comes to mind because of the smell. However, Navy bean soup with cornbread is something you don't readily find at restaurants (unless you frequent the Senate cafeteria), so I guess it depends on what you like to cook and and what you like to eat.
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Chipotle seems better than some fast/chains but still looks like it would be easy to rack up a lot of sodium and calories in a fairly short time.spefactor wrote:I guess count me as one on the "only eat out" side of the spectrum -- I have not used my kitchen since I moved into my apartment 6 months ago.
I live in the NYC area and a $7 burrito at Chipotle is worth its weight in gold compared with the time and hassle of grocery shopping, cooking food, cleaning dishes, remembering to defrost meat, etc.
http://www.chipotle.com/en-US/menu/nutr ... ation.aspx
Could be worse though. Olive Garden is virtually a waiting lounge for funeral homes.
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Unless you are considerably overweight and already hypertensive, I wouldn't worry about sodium intake. Dietary sodium has a very negligable effect on blood pressure levels, it is primarily based upon genetics with activity levels also being a factor. Pointing the finger at dietary sodium and cholesterol are two of my pet peeves; I found it interesting that one of the focal points of the new USDA school lunch program guidelines was lowering sodium levels. I'm not saying put salt on everything(I never use salt and stay away from processed foodstuffs which are generally high), but it wouldn't necessarily be a deciding factor in what/where I eat.Sidney wrote:Chipotle seems better than some fast/chains but still looks like it would be easy to rack up a lot of sodium and calories in a fairly short time.spefactor wrote:I guess count me as one on the "only eat out" side of the spectrum -- I have not used my kitchen since I moved into my apartment 6 months ago.
I live in the NYC area and a $7 burrito at Chipotle is worth its weight in gold compared with the time and hassle of grocery shopping, cooking food, cleaning dishes, remembering to defrost meat, etc.
http://www.chipotle.com/en-US/menu/nutr ... ation.aspx
http://www.health-report.co.uk/sodium_c ... yths2.html
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Agreed. Far more concerning is the use of cooking oils in restaurant settings. At worst, some trans-fat laden oil/shortening may be used (usually in baked goods), and at best it's probably a PUFA-heavy, unstable vegetable (soybean) oil. Because of the misguided fear of saturated fats, for example, McDonalds moved away from healthy beef tallow for cooking fries to some veg-oil junk.stoptothink wrote: Unless you are considerably overweight and already hypertensive, I wouldn't worry about sodium intake.
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We eat out three or four times a month for two reasons.
1) Friday and wife and I are tired and feeling lazy, take family of four to dinner or take out. Generally includes some entertainment factor if eat out as we and kids like to eat out. If not feeling the desire to eat out however, this becomes take out which is primarily convenience.
2) Date night.
So eating non-home cooking is a combination of convenience and/or entertainment.
While cost is not ignored, neither reason is primarily driven by issues of economics.
1) Friday and wife and I are tired and feeling lazy, take family of four to dinner or take out. Generally includes some entertainment factor if eat out as we and kids like to eat out. If not feeling the desire to eat out however, this becomes take out which is primarily convenience.
2) Date night.
So eating non-home cooking is a combination of convenience and/or entertainment.
While cost is not ignored, neither reason is primarily driven by issues of economics.
We live a world with knowledge of the future markets has less than one significant figure. And people will still and always demand answers to three significant digits.
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Hey Y'all,
Whose payin' $1 for a McDouble!!!
Cost $1.40 plus tax in my hood...What gives???
What about yer hood???
Whose payin' $1 for a McDouble!!!
Cost $1.40 plus tax in my hood...What gives???
What about yer hood???
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Hey Y'all,
Hmmmm, haven't done this in a while...be patient...
I don't think you really want to find Hamburger for under $2 a pound...
See the thing about McDonald meat no one is talking about is they copy righted the phrase "100 % pure beef"
which in reality means not 100% pure beef, its very orwellian, if you think about it...
Nice one corporate geniuses...
So you really can't compare a McDouble with a real beef hamburger its just not the same thing...
Because you can't buy the same meat McDonalds uses to make their burgers...Its not the same as ground beef at the grocery store...Its been modified...
Plus, I don't really view eating a McDouble as a food experience like dining out somewhere that might even remotely resemble cuisine...
Gotta factor in a bunch of other variables there...
Hmmmm, haven't done this in a while...be patient...
I don't think you really want to find Hamburger for under $2 a pound...
See the thing about McDonald meat no one is talking about is they copy righted the phrase "100 % pure beef"
which in reality means not 100% pure beef, its very orwellian, if you think about it...
Nice one corporate geniuses...
So you really can't compare a McDouble with a real beef hamburger its just not the same thing...
Because you can't buy the same meat McDonalds uses to make their burgers...Its not the same as ground beef at the grocery store...Its been modified...
Plus, I don't really view eating a McDouble as a food experience like dining out somewhere that might even remotely resemble cuisine...
Gotta factor in a bunch of other variables there...
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Until about a year ago I did that, but then after a year of 60-80 work weeks, I came to the realization that life is very short, and I was spending my limited time here on earth doing things that I don't enjoy. For two weeks I wrote down everything I did and how long it took. I then went through the list and figured which things were chores and which things were hobbies. I figured out the cost of "outsourcing" the chores and discovered that for $7 a week I could have somebody else do my shirts. Best use of $350 a year that I've found!market timer wrote:Why not just buy non-iron shirts?
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That's a pretty good overall approach. Although, OTOH, I find that if I have extra free time I just waste it posting on internet forums anyway, so it's not clear that by not doing my own laundry or cleaning my own house I've really gained anything meaningful in my life.Alskar wrote:Until about a year ago I did that, but then after a year of 60-80 work weeks, I came to the realization that life is very short, and I was spending my limited time here on earth doing things that I don't enjoy. For two weeks I wrote down everything I did and how long it took. I then went through the list and figured which things were chores and which things were hobbies. I figured out the cost of "outsourcing" the chores and discovered that for $7 a week I could have somebody else do my shirts. Best use of $350 a year that I've found!market timer wrote:Why not just buy non-iron shirts?
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I am not trying to rationalize anything. My decision to eat out rather than home cooking was based on hard data. The fact is, I am spending less money on food, food preparation, and grocery shopping now than when I was cooking at home. With gas at nearly $4 a gallon, and the IRS mileage reimbursement rate at 55.5 cents per mile (which I think is low for my car), going to the grocery store for fresh food can easily cost $5. I put a mass flow meter on my sink and dishwasher (yes, I am THAT nerdy) and found that washing dishes by hand took nearly 2x more water than my high-efficiency dishwasher. Even so, it is still cheaper for me to eat fresh food prepared by somebody else than to try and do it on my own.stoptothink wrote:Out of curiosity, why don't you just buy frozen protein and vegetables/fruit to begin with? Not only is it cheaper, but because of the flash freezing process it is almost assuredly more fresh than "fresh" meats and produce. Just say you prefer to eat out and that you don't enjoy cooking or aren't concerned about the cost; any attempt to rationalize it as more cost effective than eating at home doesn't make any sense.
I prefer fresh salads. Salad fixings don't freeze well. Protein can freeze well, but it must be thawed before it is cooked. My work-life is such that I never know in advance when I am going to be home for dinner or not. I am frequently pulled into conference calls late in the afternoon and evening. If I pulled meat out of the freezer in the morning, it has a greater than 50% chance of not being cooked that night. I don't do 2-3 day old, previously frozen fish.
So if I go out to lunch I take half home for dinner. If I go out to dinner, half of it becomes lunch for the next day. I save money and eat better than if I was trying to fit home cooking into a hectic work-life. I walk from home to the restaurants, they know me and take steps to give me great service. I take my laptop and answer emails while I wait. I then get a nice walk home before I sleep.
I'm not saying that my lifestyle is for anybody else, but it works well for me for right now. If my work-life ever settles down, I would like to get back to cooking for myself, which is something I enjoy. However, when working up to 80 hours a week, some sacrifices must be made.
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If all I do is spend my time watching TV, posting on Internet forums, or playing pinball I still feel like I'm ahead. It's amazing to me, how a simple thing like deciding NOT to launder my own shirts has improved my sense of well-being and happiness. I feel like a king! I'm on the hunt for other things I can "outsource" to see if I can get a similar boost to the enjoyment of life. I did find one: TiVo. Before I bought a TiVo, I thought it would lead to more TV watching. In fact, it has had the opposite effect. TiVo has changed TV watching from an unconscious activity into a conscious one. I now choose when and how long to watch TV. If I don't find anything on my TiVo worth watching I turn it off and go for a walk.TheEternalVortex wrote:That's a pretty good overall approach. Although, OTOH, I find that if I have extra free time I just waste it posting on internet forums anyway, so it's not clear that by not doing my own laundry or cleaning my own house I've really gained anything meaningful in my life.
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Next up: escorts.Alskar wrote:If all I do is spend my time watching TV, posting on Internet forums, or playing pinball I still feel like I'm ahead. It's amazing to me, how a simple thing like deciding NOT to launder my own shirts has improved my sense of well-being and happiness. I feel like a king! I'm on the hunt for other things I can "outsource" to see if I can get a similar boost to the enjoyment of life. I did find one: TiVo. Before I bought a TiVo, I thought it would lead to more TV watching. In fact, it has had the opposite effect. TiVo has changed TV watching from an unconscious activity into a conscious one. I now choose when and how long to watch TV. If I don't find anything on my TiVo worth watching I turn it off and go for a walk.TheEternalVortex wrote:That's a pretty good overall approach. Although, OTOH, I find that if I have extra free time I just waste it posting on internet forums anyway, so it's not clear that by not doing my own laundry or cleaning my own house I've really gained anything meaningful in my life.
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Please correct this posting to correct the attributions. I did NOT write the portion that begins "That's a pretty good overall approach..."market timer wrote:Next up: escorts.Alskar wrote:If all I do is spend my time watching TV, posting on Internet forums, or playing pinball I still feel like I'm ahead. It's amazing to me, how a simple thing like deciding NOT to launder my own shirts has improved my sense of well-being and happiness. I feel like a king! I'm on the hunt for other things I can "outsource" to see if I can get a similar boost to the enjoyment of life. I did find one: TiVo. Before I bought a TiVo, I thought it would lead to more TV watching. In fact, it has had the opposite effect. TiVo has changed TV watching from an unconscious activity into a conscious one. I now choose when and how long to watch TV. If I don't find anything on my TiVo worth watching I turn it off and go for a walk.TheEternalVortex wrote:Alskar wrote:That's a pretty good overall approach. Although, OTOH, I find that if I have extra free time I just waste it posting on internet forums anyway, so it's not clear that by not doing my own laundry or cleaning my own house I've really gained anything meaningful in my life.
I have no idea what this has to do with escorts. I don't think this type of comment is really helpful.
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But you yourself quoted yourself as having written same.Alskar wrote: Please correct this posting to correct the attributions. I did NOT write the portion that begins "That's a pretty good overall approach..."
Take a look and tell us what you see.
http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtop ... 4#p1306394
Alskar wrote:TheEternalVortex wrote:Alskar wrote:
That's a pretty good overall approach.
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We all know the bit about giving a man a fish vs. teaching him how to fish.
In a similar light, if a young couple choose to cook, they will not only save money, they will get better at cooking, and as time goes on the difference between the quality and nutrition between their cooking and average restaurant fare will increase.
In a similar light, if a young couple choose to cook, they will not only save money, they will get better at cooking, and as time goes on the difference between the quality and nutrition between their cooking and average restaurant fare will increase.
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You are correct! That's what I get for posting from my iPhone. I've corrected my error.sscritic wrote:But you yourself quoted yourself as having written same.
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Yeah that makes sense, although for me it's more rewarding to do my laundry than watch TV, even though TV is more fun.Alskar wrote:If all I do is spend my time watching TV, posting on Internet forums, or playing pinball I still feel like I'm ahead. It's amazing to me, how a simple thing like deciding NOT to launder my own shirts has improved my sense of well-being and happiness. I feel like a king! I'm on the hunt for other things I can "outsource" to see if I can get a similar boost to the enjoyment of life. I did find one: TiVo. Before I bought a TiVo, I thought it would lead to more TV watching. In fact, it has had the opposite effect. TiVo has changed TV watching from an unconscious activity into a conscious one. I now choose when and how long to watch TV. If I don't find anything on my TiVo worth watching I turn it off and go for a walk.TheEternalVortex wrote:That's a pretty good overall approach. Although, OTOH, I find that if I have extra free time I just waste it posting on internet forums anyway, so it's not clear that by not doing my own laundry or cleaning my own house I've really gained anything meaningful in my life.
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I am in a similar situation as a single person in relatively urbanized area, working mostly out of my home.
I find all options expensive (time, cost, energy, healthfulness) - both restaurant and food prep at home - when it comes to only one person/one meal.
I just ordered a countertop halogen oven as an experiment. I keep frozen portions of salmon and chicken in the freezer.
Apparently, with this gadget, you can bake quickly and easily from a frozen state with minimal clean up and virtually no waste. I guess I'll find out.
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I find all options expensive (time, cost, energy, healthfulness) - both restaurant and food prep at home - when it comes to only one person/one meal.
I just ordered a countertop halogen oven as an experiment. I keep frozen portions of salmon and chicken in the freezer.
Apparently, with this gadget, you can bake quickly and easily from a frozen state with minimal clean up and virtually no waste. I guess I'll find out.
BFG
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