First year resident in pediatrics with a $ 300,000 student loan debt in a direct consolidation loan. I am in a pay as you earn repayment plan that requires no payment for a least one year. Employed at a public hospital and make $48,000 as a first year resident. Approved for the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program and plan to continue that for the ten year requirement for the program. July 1, 2013 started residency and will have about $24,000 for the tax year and would like thoughts on starting the Roth IRA with the maximum allowed and continue while I qualify.
Any comments are appreciated!
Student Loan Payoff or Roth IRA
Re: Student Loan Payoff or Roth IRA
How much emergency fund do you have? The Roth can serve as a starter emergency fund potentially...
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Would still have at least $10,000 for any emergency. Parents told me when I started my undergraduate degrees that once I completed Med school ( also got my MBA while in Med school as well) that they would get me a new car, which they did. No expenses other than living expenses is about $1,500 a month. Let me say this as well, my parents are by no means well off, actually the low end of middle income but they would also be available if push comes to shove. I am very self dependent and have paid off all my undergraduate loans myself I did this by working while a undergrad and taking a year off to do a research project for the university hospital which was a full time paid position. Just trying to add any additional information that may give a picture of my individual situation.
Thanks for your response!
Thanks for your response!
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The Roth is very valuable considering that as a doctor your income may exceed the limit for contributing more to a Roth after your residency. I would max out the Roth while you are young as it will grow exponentially. On the other hand, you are probably eager to be debt free, but having debt can be a good thing if you have a reasonable fixed interest rate. Also, if inflation increases, you are essentially paying back cheaper dollars.
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Re: Student Loan Payoff or Roth IRA
Loan forgiveness after 10 years is a very attractive option! Can you give us an estimated salary chart from years 1-10? Or go to the studentloan.gov site and estimate your future minimum payment using their repayment estimator. Using minimum payments, I'd surprised if you paid back more than $100K. Anything else to the loan would be wasted money. Just don't forget to thank the taxpayers for your bailout!
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Thanks so much for your thoughts. I would guess ( unless I do a fellowship after 3rd year) I should make from $125,000-$150,000 for the 4-10th years. Maybe a little more if I go the fellowship route and would work 5-10th years. Those salaries would be low working in a public service hospital setting, however that is the purpose of using PSLF. I am sure that I would pay more than $100,000 of the loan back but ( I think the public is getting a good deal in PSLF as well because so many new doctors are heading for the exits in the public hospital setting for more lucrative contracts. Most like more to follow with the obamacare mess.
Thanks and I welcome any other insights!!
Thanks and I welcome any other insights!!
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Obviously this is a simplified example, but walk with me through this. Under Pay As You Earn, your minimum payment is based off your prior year's AGI. So for 2014, it's $0. For 2015, it uses your 2014 income which you estimated at $24,000. I used the PAYE calculator on studentloan.gov to get the minimum payment for each year.
Year PYIncome MinPayment
2014 $0 $0
2015 $24000 $56/mth
2016 $48000 $256/mth
2017 $48000 $256/mth
2018 $150000 $1106/mth
2019 same
2020 same
2021 same
2022 same
2023 same
Total payments: $86,448
And everything else is forgiven! You won't pay down a dollar of principal in this scenario. Don't pay a dollar more to your loans than you have to.
There are other factors that will impact this total (loan interest rate, state of residence, family size, income vs AGI differences, etc), but it won't change the conclusion.
If you have free cash flow right now, a Roth IRA is a great place for it.
Year PYIncome MinPayment
2014 $0 $0
2015 $24000 $56/mth
2016 $48000 $256/mth
2017 $48000 $256/mth
2018 $150000 $1106/mth
2019 same
2020 same
2021 same
2022 same
2023 same
Total payments: $86,448
And everything else is forgiven! You won't pay down a dollar of principal in this scenario. Don't pay a dollar more to your loans than you have to.
There are other factors that will impact this total (loan interest rate, state of residence, family size, income vs AGI differences, etc), but it won't change the conclusion.
If you have free cash flow right now, a Roth IRA is a great place for it.
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Thank you but i should clarify the salary now and hopefully then.
2013 income $24000 000000
2014 $49000 256-----745 from $3072 to $8940
2015 $49500 256-----745 $3072 to $8940
2016 $125000 898----2366 from $10776 to $28392
2017 $150000 1106---2893 from $13272 to $34716 per year
2018 same
2019 same
2020 same
2021 same
2022 same
2023 same
total seem to be anywhere from $109842 up to $289284
Never the less I choose to go the PSLA route and how ever it works out that is ok.
I thank you so much and as stated I most likely go to the Roth unless something changes
Blessings!
2013 income $24000 000000
2014 $49000 256-----745 from $3072 to $8940
2015 $49500 256-----745 $3072 to $8940
2016 $125000 898----2366 from $10776 to $28392
2017 $150000 1106---2893 from $13272 to $34716 per year
2018 same
2019 same
2020 same
2021 same
2022 same
2023 same
total seem to be anywhere from $109842 up to $289284
Never the less I choose to go the PSLA route and how ever it works out that is ok.
I thank you so much and as stated I most likely go to the Roth unless something changes
Blessings!