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Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby dmcmahon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:39 pm

I'm doing my mom's taxes and I've hit a snag. I use TurboTax, and as usual, it wants to spew out so-called vouchers for estimated tax payments. Problem is, it fills in the amounts, which are, as usual, wrong. Normally I work around this problem by downloading the relevant forms from the IRS web site. This year, I also need, for the first time, Virginia's 760es. Well, I can't seem to find these forms for tax year 2013 - the relevant web pages still have 2012 forms. Anyone know where I can get up-to-date versions? Or, alternatively, to coax TT to spew forth blank forms?
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby sscritic » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:49 pm

I don't use your program, but it is very easy to print a blank form in mine.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby HueyLD » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:08 pm

dmcmahon wrote:Or, alternatively, to coax TT to spew forth blank forms?

The downloaded version of TT has a "forms" option (near the upper right of the screen) and it allows you to open year 2013 1040-ES forms. I assume you can do the same for your state's.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby dmcmahon » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:03 am

HueyLD wrote:
dmcmahon wrote:Or, alternatively, to coax TT to spew forth blank forms?

The downloaded version of TT has a "forms" option (near the upper right of the screen) and it allows you to open year 2013 1040-ES forms. I assume you can do the same for your state's.


First thing I tried. Forms are filled out though, and seemingly can't be directly edited to blank out the amounts.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby sscritic » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:12 am

dmcmahon wrote: Forms are filled out though

Did TT do that all by itself, or did you have a hand in it? Did TT just make up the numbers out of whole cloth?
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby Epsilon Delta » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:14 am

dmcmahon wrote:
HueyLD wrote:
dmcmahon wrote:Or, alternatively, to coax TT to spew forth blank forms?

The downloaded version of TT has a "forms" option (near the upper right of the screen) and it allows you to open year 2013 1040-ES forms. I assume you can do the same for your state's.


First thing I tried. Forms are filled out though, and seemingly can't be directly edited to blank out the amounts.

Print as is and use whiteout? :D
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby grabiner » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:23 am

sscritic wrote:
dmcmahon wrote: Forms are filled out though

Did TT do that all by itself, or did you have a hand in it? Did TT just make up the numbers out of whole cloth?


I haven't used TT recently, but it did fill out the forms by itself when this last happened to me. In 2007, my withholding didn't cover my tax due because I converted a traditional IRA to a Roth. I owed no federal penalty because my withholding covered 100% of my 2006 tax, but I had a huge tax bill. TurboTax didn't ask me to estimate my 2008 income, nor fill out a 1040-ES; it just made out four estimated payment vouchers for 2008 equal to 1/4 of the 2007 amount due.

TT did fill out an Estimated Tax Worksheet, which might have made it possible for me to override the calculations because I knew that I would have less income and more withholding. (I didn't bother because I wasn't expecting to owe estimated tax in 2008; I actually wound up with a small refund because I made charitable contributions late in the year.)
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby dmcmahon » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:03 am

sscritic wrote:Did TT do that all by itself, or did you have a hand in it? Did TT just make up the numbers out of whole cloth?


A bit of both. It makes up the number using some estimation formula based on the prior year's tax. However since mom's income is variable, it's of little use.

grabiner wrote:I haven't used TT recently, but it did fill out the forms by itself when this last happened to me.
TT did fill out an Estimated Tax Worksheet, which might have made it possible for me to override the calculations because I knew that I would have less income and more withholding.


Yeppers, and here the problem is that mom prefers to make a single payment up-front rather than try to make a series of little payments on time throughout the year.

I guess what I was hoping was that someone knew how to download the correct forms, since neither the IRS nor the state of VA seem to have them on their web pages.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby HueyLD » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:21 am

dmcmahon wrote:Yeppers, and here the problem is that mom prefers to make a single payment up-front rather than try to make a series of little payments on time throughout the year.

I guess what I was hoping was that someone knew how to download the correct forms, since neither the IRS nor the state of VA seem to have them on their web pages.

You can use "open form" feature to open up 1040-ES voucher 1 and use "right click" on each field to override the entries. Yes, it does work.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby tfb » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:06 pm

sscritic wrote:
dmcmahon wrote: Forms are filled out though

Did TT do that all by itself, or did you have a hand in it? Did TT just make up the numbers out of whole cloth?

sscritic is saying if you create a brand new file, there isn't any data for TT to make up any numbers out of.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby Jay69 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:39 pm

tfb wrote:
sscritic wrote:
dmcmahon wrote: Forms are filled out though

Did TT do that all by itself, or did you have a hand in it? Did TT just make up the numbers out of whole cloth?

sscritic is saying if you create a brand new file, there isn't any data for TT to make up any numbers out of.



This was my thought was well, start a new return and then print the empty form. I'm not 100% sure it will wrok but its worth a whil.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby Epsilon Delta » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:08 pm

Epsilon Delta wrote:Print as is and use whiteout? :D


This was not a joke. It may not be the most elegant solution, but it may be the easiest solution.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby sscritic » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:45 pm

Epsilon Delta wrote:
Epsilon Delta wrote:Print as is and use whiteout? :D

This was not a joke. It may not be the most elegant solution, but it may be the easiest solution.

Especially since she is only going to use the first coupon.

I have five different solutions, and this was one of the first along with starting a new return.
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby baw703916 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:23 pm

I normally make Virginia estimated tax payments online rather than using the paper 760ES. I found it pretty painless to get an online account set up. This site is

www.tax.virginia.gov
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Re: Need 2013 1040es and 760es

Postby dmcmahon » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:49 am

HueyLD wrote:You can use "open form" feature to open up 1040-ES voucher 1 and use "right click" on each field to override the entries.


Thanks, I tried a variant of that and was unable to type into the field, but hadn't thought to right click. Sheesh - what's next, features that work when you depress a foot-pedal? :twisted:

jay69 wrote:This was my thought was well, start a new return and then print the empty form.


Sigh - I'll try that if the other method doesn't work. The problem with that approach is that the ES forms normally won't appear on the list o' forms unless TT decides you need 'em - which, of course, with 0 tax liability, you won't. The forms mode doesn't list every possible form, only the ones it "thinks" you need.

baw703916 wrote:I normally make Virginia estimated tax payments online rather than using the paper 760ES.


Mom will never go for that. :(
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