usaa13 wrote:
1) Should any plan that excludes prescription benefits be a non-starter, even though we have no present/anticipated need? Any other, similar things I should look for as baseline requirements for avoiding financial and health ruin?
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I realize this is highly individualized, but again -- we are a young family with no known health issues and cash reserves to cover even a big bill. I don't want to insure against a $1k medical bill, do want to insure against a $100k medical bill, but don't know how to decide where to draw the line in-between.
Given that as of Jan. 1, 2014, pre-existing conditions will no longer be an issue, I wonder if the best option might be a temporary policy to cover you to Dec. 31, 2013. In the fall you can sign-up for a policy via the new exchange and if your income is below about $57K, your share of the premium should be limited to no more than 9.5% of your income.
Just commenting on prescription drug coverage. If your goal is to avoid catastrophic 100K bills, then you need prescription drug coverage of some sort. This is what your insurance is for. Any illness requiring chemotherapy or enzyme replacement or growth hormone, etc. will wipe you out. No one thinks they will get sick until they do.
If your COBRA is not that much over $1,000 per month, I'd say keep it. It's going to be more expensive than some high deductible option, but is it going to be that much more expensive?
I don't know how COBRA works - are you retroactively covered for March if you sign up in late in March if you need coverage?
usaa13 wrote:Is there a substantial difference between a temporary policy and just seeking new, permanent coverage?
quotes I'm seeing for seemingly reasonable plans are more in the $350-500/month range, and guaranteeing myself an additional $6k annual spend on medical doesn't seem like the best idea for me. But then I think to myself -- how can there be such a big gap, and what am I missing?
dm200 wrote:Just my 2 cents, but just because you are all healthy now is no assurance that such will be the case in the future.
dm200 wrote:I would also look at HMOs in your area.
usaa13 wrote:- none of us have any major health issues or recurring health expenses other than regular check-ups
1) Should any plan that excludes prescription benefits be a non-starter, even though we have no present/anticipated need? Any other, similar things I should look for as baseline requirements for avoiding financial and health ruin?
jeffyscott wrote:usaa13 wrote:Is there a substantial difference between a temporary policy and just seeking new, permanent coverage?
Temporary is usually cheaper, but you would want to check on any coverage limits, etc., of course. Just a thought that at this unique time there may not be the usual risks of temporary coverage (e.g. you develop a condition and now have a pre-existing condition and can't get coverage after the temporary ends).quotes I'm seeing for seemingly reasonable plans are more in the $350-500/month range, and guaranteeing myself an additional $6k annual spend on medical doesn't seem like the best idea for me. But then I think to myself -- how can there be such a big gap, and what am I missing?
You are young and healthy, so individual insurance is cheaper for you than the group coverage, which charges the same premium to all.
robebibb wrote:I would apply for individual coverage ASAP and not wait for COBRA to run out. As a healthy family you should not have problems finding coverage currently. If someone’s health takes a turn for the worse between now and when you obtain individual coverage it will become unaffordable/impossible to get coverage until ACA kicks in (2014 I believe). The individual plan also will likely be cheaper than COBRA (it may cover less) so it’s a win-win.
usaa13 wrote:If your COBRA is not that much over $1,000 per month, I'd say keep it. It's going to be more expensive than some high deductible option, but is it going to be that much more expensive?
Well, quotes I'm seeing for seemingly reasonable plans are more in the $350-500/month range, and guaranteeing myself an additional $6k annual spend on medical doesn't seem like the best idea for me. But then I think to myself -- how can there be such a big gap, and what am I missing?
MN Finance wrote:Timely post. I just open my computer and was going to post a similar question. I just left corporate america and am starting my own business. I looked at health care options, and I'm actually having trouble even justifying buying coverage at all. I too am in my 30's, married with kids. Everyone is currently healthy.
If we opt for a $500/mo policy with $3000 ind / $6000 family deductibles, I feel like I'm spending $12K a year to protect against a $20k or $30k bill. I fully understand something much more catastrophic can take place, but the cost vs. the protection seems so extreme. I pay $200 / year for $1M umbrella coverage, I pay $500 / year for $1M life insurance coverage, but I'm going to pay $12,000 / year for $1M medical coverage? I know it's not the same, but we're really insuring the risk of something huge ($1M) not $20k for a broken elbow since most people could cover that themselves (especially if I save $6k / yr in premiums)
My cobra is $1500/mo so, like you, a new policy seems to make the most sense.
MN Finance wrote:Timely post. I just open my computer and was going to post a similar question. I just left corporate america and am starting my own business. I looked at health care options, and I'm actually having trouble even justifying buying coverage at all. I too am in my 30's, married with kids. Everyone is currently healthy.
If we opt for a $500/mo policy with $3000 ind / $6000 family deductibles, I feel like I'm spending $12K a year to protect against a $20k or $30k bill. I fully understand something much more catastrophic can take place, but the cost vs. the protection seems so extreme.
Dianne wrote:People who buy COBRA plans usually have some health condition that prevents them from buying underwritten plans, since COBRA plans cannot exclude pre-existing conditions. So they are more expensive, because the insurance company assumes you have a condition that will generate claims.
lindisfarne wrote:Dianne wrote:People who buy COBRA plans usually have some health condition that prevents them from buying underwritten plans, since COBRA plans cannot exclude pre-existing conditions. So they are more expensive, because the insurance company assumes you have a condition that will generate claims.
Is this correct? I thought under COBRA, you just what the employer was charged (which includes what you paid when you were employed, plus what the employer paid on your behalf. In other words, it's not more expensive. It's the same price - it's the price the employer negotiated to provide insurance to employees.
dm200 wrote:lindisfarne wrote:Dianne wrote:People who buy COBRA plans usually have some health condition that prevents them from buying underwritten plans, since COBRA plans cannot exclude pre-existing conditions. So they are more expensive, because the insurance company assumes you have a condition that will generate claims.
Is this correct? I thought under COBRA, you just what the employer was charged (which includes what you paid when you were employed, plus what the employer paid on your behalf. In other words, it's not more expensive. It's the same price - it's the price the employer negotiated to provide insurance to employees.
Almost. The employer may add a very small processing fee (or something like that), but you are not charged a generally higher fee for COBRA than what the current employee participants pay.
Dianne wrote:If you purchase coverage, even high-deductible coverage, the insurance company may negotiate the prices you pay for routine care, so that even though you are paying out of pocket, you still get to pay the insured rates instead of the uninsured rates. Medications, blood tests, mammograms, and hospital charges are often much less expensive for insured people. (Quest Diagnostics charges uninsured people about 10 times as much for routine blood tests.)
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