PStrider wrote:I'm one of those who fail to see logic in tipping.
1. They're already making minimum wage (MW). Why are we tipping them and not ALL other MW individuals in other professions who are also struggling to make ends meet? How is that fair?
They are not making minimum wage. They are making $2/hr and by providing good service they hope to make more than a guaranteed minimum wage. Minimum wage is too low.
Yep, they are making minimum wage (see link) PLUS any tips that exceeded MW PLUS no tax if it's cash (granted if they excluded it when filing, which should pretty much be everyone).
So, Why are we giving more money to these people and other MW workers? A fast food employee has to deal with double/triple amount of people everyday while each server only deal with 20-40 tables on average.
I'll link this anyway just for the record: http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
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2. These tipped individuals probably make more than what the tippers make in some cases. Heck, some of them even brag about it for all to see.
What? That's absurd. Yes I'm sure your server at Denny's is really slaying it. Probably posting about paying the AMT on this forum
https://infogr.am/what_us_servers_typic ... n_per_hour
http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/r ... ce-workers
$11.60 - $21.50 per hour on average for servers (wage + tips)
$26.50 for bartenders
I believe the sample size is 15,000
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3. All we're doing is safe-guarding ourselves against them tampering with our food and giving us poor services on purpose, which they're not supposed to be doing in the first place.
What? No we're tipping them for service which is how it is done in the United states because their wage is dependent on our tips
Again, they'er already guaranteed minimum wage. Tipping will allow them to go over that. Why are they getting this special treatment automatically for just doing their job when other MW jobs don't?
4. Tipping, in my opinion, is paying extra for fake smiles and to stroke our egos/morals + don't get ridiculed by others who tip for being a 'cheapskate' because our lives would be miserable if some random people call us that.
Sounds like they would be calling someone what they are
Getting called a cheapskate and public shaming for not tipping by the mass can be a devastating if you don't have a mind of your own to stand by a sound logic of your own to eventually succumb to join the mass.
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5. Percentage tipping - Why should you give less tip just because your bill was lower than other tables even though your kids made a huge mess everywhere compared to other tables with no mess?
I would clean up a mess my kid made or leave more. You know, like most decent people would.
You're missing the point. Why tip more for a $30 steak vs. a $5 burger? Same amount of work.
Though I would love to see a customer asking for a broom and a mop to clean up their own mess.
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6. Take out tipping - Seriously? Why only them and not all other cashiers in other industries as well?
Food service workers are are paid differently then the cashier at Banana Republic. You have no obligation to tip them but I'll throw them a buck or two
Again, they do the exact same thing, which is bag your food/items. We're strictly talking other minimum waged cashiers though, not one of those retail stores.
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Other countries have no tipping policy, and they seem to be doing just fine.
I don't live in France, I live in the United States. Our servers aren't guranteed a living wage
What about other MW workers? They make the same MW as servers but don't get tipped. Why don't you tip them too?
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Countless of children are also staving to death all over the world. I'm sure these servers will be all right without you feeling sorry for them.
WTF does that have to do with anything?
You're feeling sorry for these servers, who have much better lives then those starving to death, but you feel the need to tip these people instead of donating to where it really matters.
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I even discussed about this with a my dad WHILE we were out eating. I said I'll get the bill and will leave $0 tip (I normally tip flat rate up to $10 in a typical restaurant). I even show the bill to him before we got up and leave. The ride back home was as silent as it can be. He obviously did not approve my action but could not counter my argument and simply brushing it off as 'it's the right thing to do'.
I've talked to family members, friends, co-workers and they all said the same thing despite me explaining all the facts and logic. 'It's the right thing to do' or 'I'll 'feel bad if I don't leave any tip' or 'they'll judge me and remember who I was if I go back there again'. Sounds to me like they've been brainwashed and feel threatened or blindly following a tradition (the mass) without thinking for themselves like sheep.
Funny how being so counter culture saves you money while making others feel bad
It would really be funny if this culture makes any sense in the first place.
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I'd rather not deal with all of this 'variable treatments' and just go out to eat, get the service I'm supposed to be getting, eat my food, pay the bills and go home. Rinse and repeat everything went well.
I'm fine with raising food prices to compensate for matching minimum wage. I'll just let 'supply and demand' take its course like everything else in all other industries.
You'd be screaming bloody murder if the cost to go out to eat abruptly went up 20% because of new legislation. I guarantee you there would be many locked posts on this forum about how it was going to affect already dicey 2% safe withdrawal rates
You'll be spending the same money regardless. Raising minimum wage would hurt these workers you're feeling sorry for even more, but that's another topic.
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As for servers themselves, they could protest or find other jobs with higher pay just like everybody else. I don't see why it's anyone's obligation to cater to these people and not others. It's not like someone is putting a gun to their heads to make them work as servers.
My very first job (10+ years ago) was waiting tables. My mom was also a waitress back then, and we were struggling to pay bills every month (hence why I started working at 16). We'd compare our tip $ with everyone and name calling bad tippers and praising good tippers every single day.
So, I've been through all of this. It's very toxic and unproductive to say the least.
If you think I'm a lost lamb, please do share your thoughts and straighten me out. I'm all ears.