Winter Coat
Winter Coat
Have you seen the Plugger cartoon .... well, I'm a plugger with my 20 year old winter coat with the broken zipper that sometimes works if I use a paper clip to coax it up or down. Granted I only wear it to walk the dog and do outside winter work (I have a nice leather jacket and wool top coat), but still it's time.
I'm tall and slender with 36" dress shirt sleeves. Winters here can put you in the deep freeze for weeks at a time (read zero degrees and below).
Cost is not a concern, within reason.
Any insights? All I'm really familiar with is North Face, which seem quite popular (all of the rest of the family wears NF jackets, but the plugger stuck with the old coat until now).
Thanks!
I'm tall and slender with 36" dress shirt sleeves. Winters here can put you in the deep freeze for weeks at a time (read zero degrees and below).
Cost is not a concern, within reason.
Any insights? All I'm really familiar with is North Face, which seem quite popular (all of the rest of the family wears NF jackets, but the plugger stuck with the old coat until now).
Thanks!
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I'm guessing durability is a concern over weight? Skip the north face, their stuff is pretty cheap these days. You'll hardly ever see it on the north face of any mountain.
Pay really close attention to the zipper because its what will wear out first in all likelihood. Skip jackets with a coil zipper. The thread that holds the spiral in place wears out then the coil unravels making it useless.
I'd recommend a down coat made by Feathered Friends but not sure if thats up to "outside winter work" depending on what that means. If you don't want to pay that much then look at outdoor research. They fully stand behind their products and will replace or repair them for free if they wear out for any reason.
Although someone here will probably be able to recommend a more jacked more suited to outdoor yard work.
Pay really close attention to the zipper because its what will wear out first in all likelihood. Skip jackets with a coil zipper. The thread that holds the spiral in place wears out then the coil unravels making it useless.
I'd recommend a down coat made by Feathered Friends but not sure if thats up to "outside winter work" depending on what that means. If you don't want to pay that much then look at outdoor research. They fully stand behind their products and will replace or repair them for free if they wear out for any reason.
Although someone here will probably be able to recommend a more jacked more suited to outdoor yard work.
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Patogonia makes good stuff. I love my Eddie Bauer down coat (its cheaper then Patogonia). Anything with goose down is good, go for 600-880 fill.
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If you have money to burn, consider Canada Goose jackets. Although there is a bit of a hipsterish quality to them (at least these days), they are exceptionally warm and seems to be high quality. The arm length might be an issue, however, although their parkas might fit you (and, given their warmth, you might get by just fine with nothing more than one of their vests).
Personally, I have had very good success with Lands End jackets. Good quality and warmth for the dollar.
LL Bean might be worth a look as well.
Carhartt might be the leader in "outdoor work" jackets though. I picked up a jacket at a thrift store in Montana and it is very warm and certainly seems to be quite durable.
Personally, I have had very good success with Lands End jackets. Good quality and warmth for the dollar.
LL Bean might be worth a look as well.
Carhartt might be the leader in "outdoor work" jackets though. I picked up a jacket at a thrift store in Montana and it is very warm and certainly seems to be quite durable.
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Lands End and J Crew are my favorites for me. I'm replacing a 13 year old J Crew wool double-cloth coat with another JCrew (this time I'm splurging on the Thinsulate) wool plaza coat.
I trust Lands End and LL Bean to keep my little people warm and dry.
FWIW - I'm in WI and female.
I trust Lands End and LL Bean to keep my little people warm and dry.
FWIW - I'm in WI and female.
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A year ago, my son bought a Columbia coat/jacket that had an inner reflective layer. I admonished him that it was much too light for a NE winter. Well, there was something magical in that coat, because he was toasty while I felt cold. They say every generation is supposed to be smarter than the previous. I'm going to REI next week.
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I've had an old Air Force parka for decades. Search for 'N3-B Parka'. They seem to be readily available, both surplus and new, for a hundred some bucks - Amazon among many other vendors. I used to walk across town to work in Wyoming, and it was the bee's knees. They last forever - mine still looks new.
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You really want to go to a thrift store, don't you? I see nothing wrong with that. Get your coat there.
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Great stuff. Thanks to everyone who has responded.
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For a great casual winter jacket, I'd go with Mammut over North Face any day. Better looking and fitting. $150 to $300, REI and other major retailers have them.
I have a black puffer style (not down) with a hood that somehow stays comfortable at any temp from 50F to -5F.
I have a black puffer style (not down) with a hood that somehow stays comfortable at any temp from 50F to -5F.
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I can't vouch for current quality but I have a Columbia jacket that must be going on 20 years and still looks pretty good (I did replace the zipper). I find I prefer a waist-length coat because longer ones are difficult in the car. And essential are elastic cuffs and elastic waist band to keep the warm air in.
Happy Columbia customer in Minnesota.
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Any of the brands mentioned above will suffice. Check out the Goodwill rack first. I found a lightly-worn Columbia Sportswear coat there yesterday.
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Not sure what your jacket size is, but I was happy to find that Filson makes a Mackinaw Cruiser in a size 38-Extra Long(which you probably realize is very rare in higher-end stuff):
http://www.filson.com/products/mackinaw ... duct=1011/
This is also a good looking coat.
I also like the Tall sizes in LL Bean and Eddie Bauer, if you want something sportier.
http://www.filson.com/products/mackinaw ... duct=1011/
This is also a good looking coat.
I also like the Tall sizes in LL Bean and Eddie Bauer, if you want something sportier.
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Check out Sierra Trading Post. They offer many (most?) of the brands mentioned in this thread at discount prices. It could be last year's model, but that doesn't sound like an issue for the OP. Currently, they are running an "extra 30% orders of $100+" deal.
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My spouse picked up a new Columbia jacket this year after having/using her old Columbia jacket for about 20 years. The new one is half the weight and from my understanding its just as warm or warmer than the old one. Will see how true that is as we are just starting to hit the deep freeze, but so far so good.TomatoTomahto wrote:A year ago, my son bought a Columbia coat/jacket that had an inner reflective layer. I admonished him that it was much too light for a NE winter. Well, there was something magical in that coat, because he was toasty while I felt cold. They say every generation is supposed to be smarter than the previous. I'm going to REI next week.
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Layers are the way to go right?
So I would buy a down vest, and top it with a Barber coat. Barber coats stared as British hunting coats. The are heavy cotton that is topped with wax. I know it sounds strange, but they are hardy, warm, wind and rain resistant. They will last for generations if taken care of. Generally they have lots of pockets & a snap off hood. A bit pricy.
So I would buy a down vest, and top it with a Barber coat. Barber coats stared as British hunting coats. The are heavy cotton that is topped with wax. I know it sounds strange, but they are hardy, warm, wind and rain resistant. They will last for generations if taken care of. Generally they have lots of pockets & a snap off hood. A bit pricy.
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Filson.
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STP is the place to shop for tons of gear/apparel at crazy prices. The coupons they send out on occasion will get me name brands for more than 1/2 off easily. Great return policy too. You can purchase a variety of coats, then keep the one you like. Same with shoes/boots/etc.cherijoh wrote:Check out Sierra Trading Post. They offer many (most?) of the brands mentioned in this thread at discount prices. It could be last year's model, but that doesn't sound like an issue for the OP. Currently, they are running an "extra 30% orders of $100+" deal.
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L.L.Bean and Land's End. At the latter stores, check out the "return" department. Some down parkas and coats, including reversibles, will go for $100 or more off the regular price.
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Note that LL Bean thinks all women are short.
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In what way?lululu wrote:Note that LL Bean thinks all women are short.
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As a short woman (5'3"), I have to disagree. LL Bean fits the same as Lands End, Banana Republic, J Crew (which actually probably runs "short" more than others).lululu wrote:Note that LL Bean thinks all women are short.
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For working coats/jackets, I like LL Bean and/or Carhartt.
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Both of my sons have a similar Columbia coat. Seems like a fine mix of value for the money (solid value, not all that much money). We have had lots of luck with that brand over the years.TomatoTomahto wrote:A year ago, my son bought a Columbia coat/jacket that had an inner reflective layer. I admonished him that it was much too light for a NE winter. Well, there was something magical in that coat, because he was toasty while I felt cold. They say every generation is supposed to be smarter than the previous. I'm going to REI next week.
Of course their metabolism these days is a lot higher than mine. One walks 30 minutes to school in shorts and t-shirt as long as it is 40 degrees or higher. Today he put on light nylon athletic pants and did put a light sweat-shirt in his pack back just in case his short sleeve nylon T-shirt was a little light. It was in the mid-thirties and damp.
So I'm not sure I should compare my level of comfort in my Mourtain Hardwear down jacket vs their less expensive synthetic Columbia jackets.
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Funny, I just bought a new winter coat yesterday, and I am similarly long of arm.
Got it at Target. Their store brand. 20% off.
Fits great and is quite warm. (Although it's more of a "fashion" coat and probably not the sort of thing you'd want to go wood chopping or ice fishing in.)
I though only college students wore North Face these days? They're like the modern equivalent of the raccoon coat.
Got it at Target. Their store brand. 20% off.
Fits great and is quite warm. (Although it's more of a "fashion" coat and probably not the sort of thing you'd want to go wood chopping or ice fishing in.)
I though only college students wore North Face these days? They're like the modern equivalent of the raccoon coat.
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Spyder is a very company and it is excellent for cold weather. (i.e skiing). It is a little pricy though.
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1. Mackage, very expensive, can be very warm, functional, and is very high quality,
2. Moncler, more expensive, less warm than Mackage, possibly more fashionable, but also very warm. Also high quality,
3. Canada Goose. IMO, the warmest of the three.
2. Moncler, more expensive, less warm than Mackage, possibly more fashionable, but also very warm. Also high quality,
3. Canada Goose. IMO, the warmest of the three.
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Another option is Duluth Trading. Dh is tall torso-ed and got a very nice, down firehose coat there.
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Carhartt - http://www.carhartt.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... ao=0&Nty=1 - is the (US) standard for those who work outside year round. They are heavy, but incredibly tough. Note that most of their jackets and coats aren't super warm, they are meant to be worn as a shell that works by itself down to around 50 degrees and you add underlayers as needed below that. Prices are in the $100-$200 range, or about 50-75% below comparable coats from Filson or Barbour.J295 wrote:I only wear it to walk the dog and do outside winter work...
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I tried a Columbia Mighty Lite hooded jacket. I couldn't even get through October in Chicago in it. Sent it back and replaced it with a cozy and surprisingly stylish down parka from lands end. So far so good, but February is the real test...Rodc wrote:Both of my sons have a similar Columbia coat. Seems like a fine mix of value for the money (solid value, not all that much money). We have had lots of luck with that brand over the years.TomatoTomahto wrote:A year ago, my son bought a Columbia coat/jacket that had an inner reflective layer. I admonished him that it was much too light for a NE winter. Well, there was something magical in that coat, because he was toasty while I felt cold. They say every generation is supposed to be smarter than the previous. I'm going to REI next week.
Of course their metabolism these days is a lot higher than mine. One walks 30 minutes to school in shorts and t-shirt as long as it is 40 degrees or higher. Today he put on light nylon athletic pants and did put a light sweat-shirt in his pack back just in case his short sleeve nylon T-shirt was a little light. It was in the mid-thirties and damp.
So I'm not sure I should compare my level of comfort in my Mourtain Hardwear down jacket vs their less expensive synthetic Columbia jackets.
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For <0 degrees I would go with a down jacket with layers underneath. If you have REI locally, check them out, they'll be having a sale soon with 20% off one full-prices item. Great return policy - if you decide it's not up to your standards, just bring it back. Wife and I are both huge Columbia addicts, though lately the quality of some of their garments has turned to cr@p. I also like Marmot. I've biked in a soft-shell Marmot + fleece down to 12F and I was fine, though I was producing a good amount of body heat.
Buy Canada Goose only if you're a suburban mom driving a Lexus SUV and wishing to make a statement about your income or if you're a bona-fide Arctic Explorer. CG is quite expensive and probably overkill.
If you don't care about how it looks, have a look at Carlhartt. Their target market is the working man, so their stuff can weather the elements and lasts. I have a friend who works inspecting bridges and he swears by Carlhartt's winter boots and pants - says they weren't cheap, but they've lasted over 10 years so far!
Buy Canada Goose only if you're a suburban mom driving a Lexus SUV and wishing to make a statement about your income or if you're a bona-fide Arctic Explorer. CG is quite expensive and probably overkill.
If you don't care about how it looks, have a look at Carlhartt. Their target market is the working man, so their stuff can weather the elements and lasts. I have a friend who works inspecting bridges and he swears by Carlhartt's winter boots and pants - says they weren't cheap, but they've lasted over 10 years so far!
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I think I found your problem:mlipps wrote: I tried a Columbia Mighty Lite hooded jacket. I couldn't even get through October in Chicago in it. Sent it back and replaced it with a cozy and surprisingly stylish down parka from lands end. So far so good, but February is the real test...
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With all the newfangled advances in technology and garmentology, down/feather are still the warmest. Millions of years of evolution can't be wrong.
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Alex Frakt wrote:Carhartt - http://www.carhartt.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... ao=0&Nty=1 - is the (US) standard for those who work outside year round. They are heavy, but incredibly tough. Note that most of their jackets and coats aren't super warm, they are meant to be worn as a shell that works by itself down to around 50 degrees and you add underlayers as needed below that. Prices are in the $100-$200 range, or about 50-75% below comparable coats from Filson or Barbour.J295 wrote:I only wear it to walk the dog and do outside winter work...
You are correct that they are NOT the warmest jacket and that they are meant as part of a layering system. They are intended more for people who are doing work outdoors in the winter as opposed to say, standing around looking at a football game. I was on a construction site in Chicago last week and I believe that at least 75% of the guys were wearing Carhartt.
And that is why my brother now has all my Carhartt gear.
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a couple of years ago, i bought a Navy Pea coat at my local surplus store (Bethesda,Md). It was about $75. Warmest thing there is! Only minus: no inside pocket. Can't beat it!
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Yes, I agree. However, others above seem to speak highly of the "Omniheat" technology so wanted to add my opposing view point.autonomy wrote:I think I found your problem:mlipps wrote: I tried a Columbia Mighty Lite hooded jacket. I couldn't even get through October in Chicago in it. Sent it back and replaced it with a cozy and surprisingly stylish down parka from lands end. So far so good, but February is the real test...
"100% Polyester"
With all the newfangled advances in technology and garmentology, down/feather are still the warmest. Millions of years of evolution can't be wrong.
I spoke too soon about February being the real test, by the way, as it was 11 degrees this morning at my house. My coat worked great though! Now I just need to get some warmer boots & I will be all set for winter. It seems to be here, like it or not.
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My Eddie Bauer down jacket has held up very well and is very warm. Of course my having purchased it 15 years ago tells you nothing about what the quality of the line is like today. I second the suggestion to check the quality of the zipper, that is the most likely point of failure ( initially ).
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As a poster above mentioned.....Filson.
Woolrich is also good, but I hear they've declined a bit over the years. I have a Woolrich that I'm very happy with, but I've drooled over some Filsons.
Woolrich is also good, but I hear they've declined a bit over the years. I have a Woolrich that I'm very happy with, but I've drooled over some Filsons.
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With your sleeve length and body build, maybe you'd want to limit your choices to only "Tall" versions of whatever size you are. If "Medium Tall" is your measured size, watch out for too much restriction in the armholes. Sometimes one can see the quality of the coat in a department store, but if the sleeves are too short, then mail order the "Tall" size in whatever size fits. "Tall" sizes seem to be offered in fewer quantities than "Regular" sizes, so it helps to get the coat on an early sale (think holiday sale) coming up soon.
Some large department stores have a "Big and Tall" department. Unfortunately, in a lot of those stores, this means that the selections are for men who are both heavy weight and tall. For Medium Tall and Large Tall sizes, often the best choices are online. Sometimes a coat search will have to span 2-3 years because the places are all sold out. So if you find one that fits, snap it up.
Some large department stores have a "Big and Tall" department. Unfortunately, in a lot of those stores, this means that the selections are for men who are both heavy weight and tall. For Medium Tall and Large Tall sizes, often the best choices are online. Sometimes a coat search will have to span 2-3 years because the places are all sold out. So if you find one that fits, snap it up.
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I picked this up at Costco yesterday:
http://www.costco.com/Gerry-Men's-Pro-S ... 06167.html
So far it seems well worth $40.
http://www.costco.com/Gerry-Men's-Pro-S ... 06167.html
So far it seems well worth $40.
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A lot depends on what you do.
If I'm only outside for half an hour or so layering is inconvenient. I'd rather have a single thick coat I can don and doff quickly, and get crude temperature control with the zipper. If I'm outside all day I'll go with multiple layers and adjust as needed.
Down. I avoid it. For my purposes, "If it gets wet you die". Modern synthetics are much more tolerant.
If I'm only outside for half an hour or so layering is inconvenient. I'd rather have a single thick coat I can don and doff quickly, and get crude temperature control with the zipper. If I'm outside all day I'll go with multiple layers and adjust as needed.
Down. I avoid it. For my purposes, "If it gets wet you die". Modern synthetics are much more tolerant.
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30+ years ago I lived in a place like that. Syracuse NY. Sub zero was not unusual. You could count on an occasional -20 now and then. When I was a grad student I had to commute to campus by bus. The bus stop was on a hill top. Windy. No trees. The bus schedule was just a suggestion so you might have to wait a while.J295 wrote:Winters here can put you in the deep freeze for weeks at a time (read zero degrees and below).
I ended buying an high quality down expedition parka from a company named Black Ice. I don't think they are around any more. It was great for waiting at the bus stop. I looked like a giant blue marshmallow wearing it.
Down is a pain to take care of but there is nothing that can match it for warmth.
The thing was after I graduated and started commuting by car to my job the parka was too warm. I'd start sweating in it if it in the car. So just a note - it's possible to end up with something too warm even if you live in a really cold place.
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Zippers aren't expensive to replace. It's an option to explore if the coat is otherwise OK.J295 wrote:I'm a plugger with my 20 year old winter coat with the broken zipper that sometimes works if I use a paper clip to coax it up or down.
Some higher-end brands of sports wear offer a life time guarantee, e.g. Patagonia, Eddie Bauer, LL Bean, Columbia, etc. They also tend to be more liberal than their "normal wear and tear excluded" might suggest. Even if wear and tear is excluded they usually do repairs at a reasonable price. Case in point, the zipper on my wife's Columbia parka broke a year or so ago. She bought the coat several years ago and had lost the receipt. I contacted Columbia about what they could do. They had me send the coat to their facility in Canada for inspection. A few days later they called to say they'd replace the zipper under warranty. A week or so later the coat arrived. No charge for the repair or return shipping.
It's worth checking the maker's website to see what sort of warranty they offer, then contact them to see what they can do for you. You may get another 20 years out of your coat for just the cost of shipping.
I have two Eddie Bauer down parkas. One is at least 35 years old; the other 20+ years old. Both show signs of wear but they're still going strong. The newer one has a Gore-Tex outer shell so is mostly waterproof in rain and wet snow.
I've looked at LL Bean's Baxter State parkas as well although I don't have one. They seem to be comparable to the high-end Eddie Bauers. As someone else pointed out you can get substantial reductions at the LL Bean outlet stores on returned merchandise.
If you can wait until February LL Bean, Eddie Bauer, et al sell overstock on their websites at drastically reduced prices. Sizes and quantities are limited. Get on their e-mail mailing lists so you get a heads-up, then register so you can get through checkout quickly. A couple of winters ago I "lost" a bargain parka that was in my shopping cart while registering at the website. Snooze and lose. (Note however that these are overstocks. If winter is harsh there will be slim pickings in February. OTOH if winter is mild expect a cornucopia of bargains.)
Around here it's mostly university students. How they can afford them, as with Apple iStuff, remains a mystery. Obviously they're not Bogleheads and very proud of it [their ignorance]autonomy wrote:Buy Canada Goose only if you're a suburban mom driving a Lexus SUV and wishing to make a statement about your income or if you're a bona-fide Arctic Explorer. CG is quite expensive and probably overkill.
And yes CG is overkill in most urban/suburban areas where you're going to wear a coat from a heated home to a heated car to a heated building.
If you do succumb to the CG mania, beware of fakes, especially on the Internet. Genuine CG rarely goes on sale and when it does the discount isn't very large. As usual, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
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There should be a prize ("best laugh of the day" or something similar) for posts like this.Ged wrote:... I looked like a giant blue marshmallow wearing it.
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There was a chap at our office who wore a parka similar to this but even puffier. We referred to him the Michelin tire man.
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Here is what on sale at J.C. Penney - can get free shipping most of the time
$4.00 at Staples - will get you through another winter. These are called paperclips 2.0
J295 wrote:...broken zipper that sometimes works if I use a paper clip to coax it up or down.
$4.00 at Staples - will get you through another winter. These are called paperclips 2.0
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My Schmidt's coat has kept me plenty warm for 3 Northern Ohio winters now and it still looks brand new. Similar styling and durability to a Carhartt, but significantly lower price. Just formal looking enough to wear around town and to work and plenty tough for any outdoor work in subzero weather. Having a built in padded hood makes the harsh winters more bearable.
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I'm a bit of a clothes horse when it comes to technical wear. The current trend is down insulation, in particular water resistant down e.g. DownTek, Q.Shield. Artificial fabrics cannot match the insulation and lightness of down, and the water resistant treatment mitigates down's greatest weakness. A layering system is the way to go for flexibility and value throughout the seasons. A down jacket can be warm enough for fall and spring, but when it gets really cold and wet, put on a waterproof and breathable outerlayer over the down i.e. hardshell or softshell e.g. Gore Tex Pro Shell 3L.J295 wrote:Winters here can put you in the deep freeze for weeks at a time (read zero degrees and below).
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Depending on what's around you, I usually find great deals on parkas at ski/snowboard shops early in the year. I would definitely recommend going to your local one and price comparing with the sites listed here, but truth be told, my local shop has always been a lower price if not dead equal with stuff on the web. Also, it is really convenient because they will have other gear that you may want to go along with a coat, like face masks, hats, ear muffs, etc.
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I recently discovered Costco for shirts, sneakers, socks,and slacks. Had nice coats also.