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traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby gd » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:31 am

End of an era, expatriots or international travellers. I was surprised at how closely I agreed with him. My iPad just isn't the same.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/25/sheddin ... d_tribune/
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Re: traveller nostalgia- IHT cancelled

Postby nisiprius » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:01 am

I still miss the domestic Herald Tribune. When I grew up, there were Herald Tribune families, New York Times families, and Journal-American families. We were a Herald Tribute family. We weren't hoighty-toighty enough for the New York Times, and the New York Times didn't carry the funnies and of course we had to have the funnies. The Journal-American was a Hearst paper, need I say more? But as kids we did have some friends in Journal-American families. The Journal-American had more-grown-up adventure-type comic strips--not sure exactly which ones, "Terry and the Pirates" and "Brenda Starr, Reporter" maybe.

I don't think I was allowed to play at the houses of any Daily News families.

When I was a kid the Sunday papers really did contain a rotogravure section, not sure when that was dropped. (Irving Berlin, "Easter Parade," "You'll find that you're/In the rotogravure.") No color printing anywhere in any news sections. First color photographs in news sections came in, perhaps, in the 1970s?
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby reggiesimpson » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:40 am

That does it! I will never leave the U.S.A. again.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby VictoriaF » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:50 am

I wonder if anyone (except me) appreciates the joke.

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Levett » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:53 am

I sort of do and don't sense a joke.

The International Herald Trib, along with coffee, is how I always begin my mornings overseas.

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Aptenodytes » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:56 pm

I have stopped picking it up at hotels -- I can read the NYT online so it just adds to the clutter and waste. I used to value it a lot for the connection home but that last few years it has become an anachronism.

However, I have always picked one up when offered upon boarding a flight -- the crossword puzzle is a nice diversion and there's always that interval beween boarding and reaching cruising altitude where electronic gizmos can't be used. I'll miss that.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Phineas J. Whoopee » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:11 pm

VictoriaF wrote:I wonder if anyone (except me) appreciates the joke.

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You mean the bit about having the same publisher?

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby VictoriaF » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:22 pm

Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:I wonder if anyone (except me) appreciates the joke.

Victoria

You mean the bit about having the same publisher?

PJW

I meant reversed causation, i.e., stopping international travel because International Herald Tribune is cancelled, rather than reading International Herald Tribune to enhance international travel. I was responding to Reggie but then removed the reference in case he was not joking.

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby reggiesimpson » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:32 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:I wonder if anyone (except me) appreciates the joke.

Victoria

You mean the bit about having the same publisher?

PJW

I meant reversed causation, i.e., stopping international travel because International Herald Tribune is cancelled, rather than reading International Herald Tribune to enhance international travel. I was responding to Reggie but then removed the reference in case he was not joking.

Victoria

Thank you for the clarification Victoria. Sometimes ones attempt at humor can be lost in brevity on the net.
I will certainly miss the IHT as it was a regular read for me wherever i was in the world back in the 70s. Its one less connection to a romantic time in my life.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Phineas J. Whoopee » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:36 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:I wonder if anyone (except me) appreciates the joke.

Victoria

You mean the bit about having the same publisher?

PJW

I meant reversed causation, i.e., stopping international travel because International Herald Tribune is cancelled, rather than reading International Herald Tribune to enhance international travel. I was responding to Reggie but then removed the reference in case he was not joking.

Victoria

I've fallen into the trap of assuming you're too subtle. Yes, I got that. I had thought you were onto something like it's just a NYT organ anyway, and all that's happened is its name being changed (so far as the linked article, about how nice it felt to find a bit of understandable home-ness was, as opposed to today when it's always at one's fingertips, goes).

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby VictoriaF » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:40 pm

reggiesimpson wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:I wonder if anyone (except me) appreciates the joke.

Victoria

You mean the bit about having the same publisher?

PJW

I meant reversed causation, i.e., stopping international travel because International Herald Tribune is cancelled, rather than reading International Herald Tribune to enhance international travel. I was responding to Reggie but then removed the reference in case he was not joking.

Victoria

Thank you for the clarification Victoria. Sometimes ones attempt at humor can be lost in brevity on the net.
I will certainly miss the IHT as it was a regular read for me wherever i was in the world back in the 70s. Its one less connection to a romantic time in my life.
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But the real question is whether you would still venture outside the U.S. without being able to romance International Herald Tribune.

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby VictoriaF » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:42 pm

Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:I've fallen into the trap of assuming you're too subtle.

PJW


I am trying to balance between being subtle and obvious. The last time, I was too subtle.

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Phineas J. Whoopee » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:44 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:I've fallen into the trap of assuming you're too subtle.

PJW


I am trying to balance between being subtle and obvious. The last time, I was too subtle.

Victoria

Obviously.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby reggiesimpson » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:47 pm

Victoria.
Actually we never stopped, albeit intermittenly with the children. The next stage ,however, is to go to some of the more "extreme" places we traveled to way back when. I promised myself that when i retired i would go back and see how India, China,Thailand etc changed over 30+ years. I was actually looking forward to picking up the IHT and letting some memories flood back in to this addled mind. Its rather bad news actually.
But we are still going!
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Diogenes » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:06 am

The IHT was like reading the NYT, with all that baggage, and overpriced if you had to buy it. Many read it anyway as it was in familiar English. I usually compile my own more varied electronic new edition, thanks to the internet. Also always enjoy more reading the local papers for the different perspective on international issues.

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby poundwise » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:31 am

From the article: "Where else would you find your Boston Red Sox box scores?" Couldn't agree with this more! I fondly recall my pre-internet study abroad days where the IHT was the only way to follow this peculiarly American pastime.

Incidentally, the paper is not actually cancelled -- it is just being rebranded "International New York Times." The content has been drawn from the domestic NYT for many years now.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby gd » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:57 am

poundwise wrote:Incidentally, the paper is not actually cancelled -- it is just being rebranded "International New York Times." The content has been drawn from the domestic NYT for many years now.

True on both counts, it was sort of a sloppy OP more reminiscing of decades long gone. I only skim the airline freebie nowadays, and grew to prefer a complete absence of news from the homeland while travelling. Curiously, I never seem to miss anything of lasting importance.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- IHT cancelled

Postby Puakinekine » Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:51 pm

nisiprius wrote:I still miss the domestic Herald Tribune. When I grew up, there were Herald Tribune families, New York Times families, and Journal-American families. We were a Herald Tribute family. We weren't hoighty-toighty enough for the New York Times, and the New York Times didn't carry the funnies and of course we had to have the funnies. The Journal-American was a Hearst paper, need I say more? But as kids we did have some friends in Journal-American families. The Journal-American had more-grown-up adventure-type comic strips--not sure exactly which ones, "Terry and the Pirates" and "Brenda Starr, Reporter" maybe.

I don't think I was allowed to play at the houses of any Daily News families.

When I was a kid the Sunday papers really did contain a rotogravure section, not sure when that was dropped. (Irving Berlin, "Easter Parade," "You'll find that you're/In the rotogravure.") No color printing anywhere in any news sections. First color photographs in news sections came in, perhaps, in the 1970s?


We were a Herald Tribune/New York Times/New York Daily News family. But never, ever a Hearst paper or the New York Post. We did have some standards.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Langkawi » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:25 pm

Interesting article on this subject in Barron's:
The Last Trace of a Great Newspaper
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424052748704538604578370412095481182.html

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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Macmungo » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:54 pm

It seemed to me that the quality of the International Herald Tribune went down after the NY Times pushed the Washington Post out of joint ownership around 2003. I thought the Trib was better than either of its owners - but it was aimed at a very specific audience.
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Re: traveller nostalgia- [Int'l Herald Tribune] cancelled

Postby Diogenes » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:50 pm

Macmungo wrote:It seemed to me that the quality of the International Herald Tribune went down after the NY Times pushed the Washington Post out of joint ownership around 2003. I thought the Trib was better than either of its owners - but it was aimed at a very specific audience.


I would agree also, post 2003 it merely was a way for the NYT to try to dominate U.S. news to the expat community overseas similar to the wire services but more direct. The internet is far better for news (thank goodness) as it is much easier to get a balance and not just a selection of selected NYT articles. I also noticed the editorials were even further left in the IHT than in the Times for some reason.
The crossword was good as mentioned, and for that reason nice to have around once in awhile during my years overseas - but only if free.
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