What happened to gold? I thought gold was added to the spreadsheet so that Harry Browne permanent portfolio could be compared.
Leif Eriksen wrote:Not sure about your CPI-U numbers. Are you using the All City Average? The spreadsheet reports 3.84 for 2008. U.S. Department Of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 0.1 for Dec/Dec 2008. See the following link
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt
simba wrote:Leif Eriksen wrote:Not sure about your CPI-U numbers. Are you using the All City Average? The spreadsheet reports 3.84 for 2008. U.S. Department Of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 0.1 for Dec/Dec 2008. See the following link
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt
I use the Avg-Avg for the CPI-U numbers.
CPI-U for 2008= (Annual Avg for 2008 - Annual Avg for 2007)/(Annual Avg for 2007)
CPI-U for 2008 = (215.303 - 207.342) / 207.342 = 0.03839 = 3.84%
Best Regards,
Simba
Paul Douglas Boyer wrote:Simba, in your spreadsheet, here are some corrections:
Cell SP-85-08!C35 should read "=RATE(Portfolio!$K...
Cell SP-85-08!C36 should read "=RATE(Portfolio!$K...
Column P in SP-85-08 incorrectly points to 72 data.
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MachineGhost wrote:There is also a bug with deducting the ER present in rev7f and rev7h on the two Data tabs. Although the formula looks logical in English, it is actually being applied in reverse, i.e. if the current year is greater than the YOI, the ER will not be deducted!
simba wrote:Leif Eriksen wrote:Not sure about your CPI-U numbers. Are you using the All City Average? The spreadsheet reports 3.84 for 2008. U.S. Department Of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 0.1 for Dec/Dec 2008. See the following link
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt
I use the Avg-Avg for the CPI-U numbers.
CPI-U for 2008= (Annual Avg for 2008 - Annual Avg for 2007)/(Annual Avg for 2007)
CPI-U for 2008 = (215.303 - 207.342) / 207.342 = 0.03839 = 3.84%
Best Regards,
Simba
grayfox wrote:MachineGhost wrote:There is also a bug with deducting the ER present in rev7f and rev7h on the two Data tabs. Although the formula looks logical in English, it is actually being applied in reverse, i.e. if the current year is greater than the YOI, the ER will not be deducted!
It looks like MachineGhost is right. The ER is not deducted.
I wonder why you would want to deduct the ER only for years after YOI?
New funds are getting a free ride with zero ER for the years before they were started. Older funds are paying the ER from the beginning.
grayfox wrote:MachineGhost wrote:There is also a bug with deducting the ER present in rev7f and rev7h on the two Data tabs. Although the formula looks logical in English, it is actually being applied in reverse, i.e. if the current year is greater than the YOI, the ER will not be deducted!
It looks like MachineGhost is right. The ER is not deducted.
I wonder why you would want to deduct the ER only for years after YOI?
New funds are getting a free ride with zero ER for the years before they were started. Older funds are paying the ER from the beginning.
grok87 wrote:simba wrote:Leif Eriksen wrote:Not sure about your CPI-U numbers. Are you using the All City Average? The spreadsheet reports 3.84 for 2008. U.S. Department Of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 0.1 for Dec/Dec 2008. See the following link
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt
I use the Avg-Avg for the CPI-U numbers.
CPI-U for 2008= (Annual Avg for 2008 - Annual Avg for 2007)/(Annual Avg for 2007)
CPI-U for 2008 = (215.303 - 207.342) / 207.342 = 0.03839 = 3.84%
Best Regards,
Simba
Hi Simba,
Here's a vote for using the more traditional definition of inflation- i.e. the government definition that results in 0.1% inflation for 2008. It's more consistent with how we define yearly asset class returns, and hence easier to calculate real returns.
For example during 2008 the S&P 500 return was -37.0% and 2008 inflation was 0.1%, so the real return of the S&P 500 was -37.1%, etc.
just my 2 cents,
cheers,
grok87 wrote:simba wrote:Leif Eriksen wrote:Not sure about your CPI-U numbers. Are you using the All City Average? The spreadsheet reports 3.84 for 2008. U.S. Department Of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 0.1 for Dec/Dec 2008. See the following link
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt
I use the Avg-Avg for the CPI-U numbers.
CPI-U for 2008= (Annual Avg for 2008 - Annual Avg for 2007)/(Annual Avg for 2007)
CPI-U for 2008 = (215.303 - 207.342) / 207.342 = 0.03839 = 3.84%
Best Regards,
Simba
Hi Simba,
Here's a vote for using the more traditional definition of inflation- i.e. the government definition that results in 0.1% inflation for 2008. It's more consistent with how we define yearly asset class returns, and hence easier to calculate real returns.
For example during 2008 the S&P 500 return was -37.0% and 2008 inflation was 0.1%, so the real return of the S&P 500 was -37.1%, etc.
just my 2 cents,
cheers,
grayfox wrote:grok87 wrote:simba wrote:Leif Eriksen wrote:Not sure about your CPI-U numbers. Are you using the All City Average? The spreadsheet reports 3.84 for 2008. U.S. Department Of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 0.1 for Dec/Dec 2008. See the following link
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt
I use the Avg-Avg for the CPI-U numbers.
CPI-U for 2008= (Annual Avg for 2008 - Annual Avg for 2007)/(Annual Avg for 2007)
CPI-U for 2008 = (215.303 - 207.342) / 207.342 = 0.03839 = 3.84%
Best Regards,
Simba
Hi Simba,
Here's a vote for using the more traditional definition of inflation- i.e. the government definition that results in 0.1% inflation for 2008. It's more consistent with how we define yearly asset class returns, and hence easier to calculate real returns.
For example during 2008 the S&P 500 return was -37.0% and 2008 inflation was 0.1%, so the real return of the S&P 500 was -37.1%, etc.
just my 2 cents,
cheers,
First of all there should be consistency. If average annual return series is used then average annual inflation series should be used.
But aside from that I believe it is mathematically more correct to use average numbers for a period. For instance if you have monthly data you would use monthly average rather than picking a one day like the last day of the month. Otherwise you get biases in the data caused by aliasing. In more simple terms, the average for a month is more representative of that month that a particular day.
So for annual data the series to use should be annual average.
MachineGhost wrote:But annual data isn't an average, it is ( 12/31/xx divided by 12/31/xx-1 ) -1 or YTD as of 12/31/xx.
Paul Douglas Boyer wrote:Simba, in your spreadsheet, here are some corrections:
Cell SP-85-08!C35 should read "=RATE(Portfolio!$K...
Cell SP-85-08!C36 should read "=RATE(Portfolio!$K...
Column P in SP-85-08 incorrectly points to 72 data.
Also,
I have the values for gold in the Google version of the spreadsheet at:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pOjc3ot10vgs0eml-DJZKcw&newcopy
I added a returns vs risk chart for 1972 - 2008
and compared against Harry Browne, Coffeehouse, Scott Burns Four Square, and all of the IFA Index Portfolios there.
grayfox wrote:MachineGhost wrote:There is also a bug with deducting the ER present in rev7f and rev7h on the two Data tabs. Although the formula looks logical in English, it is actually being applied in reverse, i.e. if the current year is greater than the YOI, the ER will not be deducted!
It looks like MachineGhost is right. The ER is not deducted.
I wonder why you would want to deduct the ER only for years after YOI?
New funds are getting a free ride with zero ER for the years before they were started. Older funds are paying the ER from the beginning.
Asset Class Ticker Correlation
TBILL VMPXX 0.63
GOLD GOLD 0.52
LTGB VUSTX -0.40
ST Trsry VFISX 0.28
Commodities PCRIX 0.25
5 Yr T VFITX -0.24
Wellesley VWINX -0.21
Wellington VWELX -0.16
SCG VISGX 0.13
Total Bond VBMFX -0.12
Small Cap NAESX 0.11
EAFED VDMIX -0.10
Europe VEURX -0.10
Intl Value VTRIX -0.10
EAFE85/EM15 EAFE/EM -0.09
500 Idx VFINX -0.09
LCG VIGRX -0.07
Total Market US VTSMX -0.06
Simulated TIPS S-TIPS 0.06
Pacific VPACX -0.06
EM VEIEX -0.06
LCV VIVAX -0.04
SCV VISVX 0.04
REIT VGSIX -0.01
Windsor VWNDX -0.01
Mid Cap VIMSX -0.01
Micro Cap BRSIX 0.00
simba wrote:grok87/grayfox/MachineGhost,
Earlier my thoughts on this was we use goods/services throughout the year so I used the avg-avg prices to calculate inflation.
But as you have mentioned, the industry and Govt standard is to use Dec-Dec prices to report inflation.
I have updated the spreadsheet to reflect the same. I am making another change to the SS and will upload it sometime tomorrow.
Best Regards,
Simba
Paul Douglas Boyer wrote:What asset classes correlate closest with inflation (CPI)?
simba wrote:I have updated the spreadsheet to reflect the same. I am making another change to the SS and will upload it sometime tomorrow.
simba wrote:I've updated the spreadsheet and for those interested, You can download the Excel Spreadsheet [rev8c] and/or OpenOffice version [rev8c]
Changes include - Added Gold returns, Now using month-month CPI instead of avg-avg. New worksheet for comparing Lazy Portfolios.
Sorry for the delay but have been concentrating on the big rocks in my Life (DW gave birth to a precious little girl)
Best Regards
Simba
simba wrote:Feedback is very much appreciated (especially if its the +ve kind)
palffy wrote:simba, first of all, thanks for all of the work you're doing, spreadsheet looks great! do you mind making sure that the BRSIX data for 2008 is correct? It may be -39.49 instead of the -44.61 currently listed...
goolsby wrote:All --
Can somebody add a market neutral or hedge fund allocation to the spreadsheet?
goolsby wrote:Simba,
Thanks. Not sure how to get the data into the spreadsheet for some of the different hedge fund indices (managed futures, equity market neutral, global macro, etc) since they are relatively new and data hard to find. Thought someone out there might have already built that into spreadsheet and willing to share.
Let me know if you can help.
simba wrote:I have added this to my spreadsheet.
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