How are you doing through the first half of 2014?
How are you doing through the first half of 2014?
2013, at least the back half, was such a tear for the bull market. The first part of this year started very slow but is coming on strong lately.
Through the first six months our portfolio is up 17.2% (annualized) or about 8% YTD net. I attribute approx. 5.9% of that to additional contributions, and 11.4% to underlying asset appreciation. Better than I thought but we have been spoiled by the last few years.
We are 80/20 stock/bond
Since the beginning of 2011, our portfolio has grown at a CAGR of 17.94% (including contributions) so we're not too far off from the norm for us. But that includes a weaker 2011 and 2014 while 2012 was 22.1% and 2013 was 26.6%.
On a on a rolling 12 basis we are up nearly 28%. That shows how strong the back half of last year was.
Through the first six months our portfolio is up 17.2% (annualized) or about 8% YTD net. I attribute approx. 5.9% of that to additional contributions, and 11.4% to underlying asset appreciation. Better than I thought but we have been spoiled by the last few years.
We are 80/20 stock/bond
Since the beginning of 2011, our portfolio has grown at a CAGR of 17.94% (including contributions) so we're not too far off from the norm for us. But that includes a weaker 2011 and 2014 while 2012 was 22.1% and 2013 was 26.6%.
On a on a rolling 12 basis we are up nearly 28%. That shows how strong the back half of last year was.
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I do track my progress on a quarterly basis, though I only do rates of return annually. Since you asked, though, I'm up 16.5% YTD - not annualized, with just over half of that from contributions. My mid-year investment return, on an annualized basis, is a bit over 16%. Surprised that if this continued I'd be almost as well off this year as last year on a percentage basis. REITs leading the charge this year (after dragging me down last year).
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Just on a YTD basis, my non-contribution growth is up about 5.3% whereas yours is about 8% (if I read that right). Nice!kenyan wrote:I do track my progress on a quarterly basis, though I only do rates of return annually. Since you asked, though, I'm up 16.5% YTD - not annualized, with just over half of that from contributions. My mid-year investment return, on an annualized basis, is a bit over 16%. Surprised that if this continued I'd be almost as well off this year as last year on a percentage basis. REITs leading the charge this year (after dragging me down last year).
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YTD, I'm up 5.0% (returns, not including contributions). My bonds returned only 3.34%, so that's what held back the overall results. Whatever, it's well beyond inflation.
I get the FI part but not the RE part of FIRE.
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7.25% not counting contributions (or more correctly, XIRR type return, not annualized, YTD)
60/40 more or less
60/40 more or less
We live a world with knowledge of the future markets has less than one significant figure. And people will still and always demand answers to three significant digits.
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Just to clarify, you essentially halved the xirr result (Jan - June)? Thanks!Rodc wrote:7.25% not counting contributions (or more correctly, XIRR type return, not annualized, YTD)
60/40 more or less
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6.09%
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Yeah, I was surprised, but I definitely can't complain. 7.8% through 6/30, 8.3% through 7/1, computed using the assets I started the year with (strict XIRR would be a tad lower).Bacchus01 wrote:Just on a YTD basis, my non-contribution growth is up about 5.3% whereas yours is about 8% (if I read that right). Nice!kenyan wrote:I do track my progress on a quarterly basis, though I only do rates of return annually. Since you asked, though, I'm up 16.5% YTD - not annualized, with just over half of that from contributions. My mid-year investment return, on an annualized basis, is a bit over 16%. Surprised that if this continued I'd be almost as well off this year as last year on a percentage basis. REITs leading the charge this year (after dragging me down last year).
Retirement investing is a marathon.
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LifeStrategy Moderate Growth is a 60:40 portfolio that is up 6.0% through yesterday 7/1.
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As of yesterday I have clicked off all my full year goals as my taxable account balance squeaked over the year end target.
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All calculations using XIRR. XIRR annualized returns listed first, then the converted YTD number.
My retirement accounts are 80/20 post tax adjustment. These numbers are calculated pre tax adjustment and include my emergency fund, so it's more like a 65/35 portfolio.
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12.0%, 5.8% - Overall Portfolio
16.0%, 7.7% - Equities
16.1%, 7.7% - Domestic Equities
15.4%, 7.4% - Domestic SCV
17.7%, 8.4% - S Fund
15.8%, 7.6% - International Equities
14.9%, 7.2% - International Developed
12.6%, 6.1% - International Emerging
16.9%, 8.1% - VSS
3.6%, 1.8% - Fixed Income
2.4%, 1.2% - G Fund
4.0%, 1.4% - NFCU CD
5.7%, 2.8% - Mango/Union Plus/Santander
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My Betterment (90/10) is up 7.9% over the past 6 months.
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Vanguard et al. do not annualize. Otherwise LifeStrategy Moderate Growth would have about a 12% number.Ketawa wrote:All calculations using XIRR and annualized.
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Retired in drawdown. Portfolio performance ... 7.34 YTD, 15.33% last 12 months. AA 45/52.5/2.5 equities/bonds/cash as of 7/1/2014. Domestic 22, Foreign 16, REITS 7.
After drawdown performance ... YTD 5.7% last 12 months 13.3%.
Smile boyz and girlz... we are in a bull run of historic proportions. Don't let recency color your vision, or your AA.
After drawdown performance ... YTD 5.7% last 12 months 13.3%.
Smile boyz and girlz... we are in a bull run of historic proportions. Don't let recency color your vision, or your AA.
Re: How are you doing through the first half of 2014?
Up 7.9%, not counting contributions. 70/30 stocks to bonds. REIT exposure helped deliver some extra return this year, after being a drag last year.
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Re: How are you doing through the first half of 2014?
According to Vanguard > Personal Performance > Performance Details > Retirement Only:
1 year personal rate of return: 20.8%
Not sure how to get YTD, balances over time shows my taxable up 6.85%, Roth IRA up 139.36% and 401k up 74.46%, but a lot of the latter two are attributable to contributions.
1 year personal rate of return: 20.8%
Not sure how to get YTD, balances over time shows my taxable up 6.85%, Roth IRA up 139.36% and 401k up 74.46%, but a lot of the latter two are attributable to contributions.
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XIRR does. I didn't bother to put in a YTD line for each asset class in my Excel spreadsheet. Maybe I'll add one.livesoft wrote:Vanguard et al. do not annualize. Otherwise LifeStrategy Moderate Growth would have about a 12% number.
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^If you make the last day 12/31/2014 in your XIRR() calculation, then I don't think it annualizes, but I am not sure.
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It appears XIRR always annualizes the return. If the period is six months, the annualized return is more than double the six month return
calculated by (end val - start val)/ start val.
In other words it assumes your return will continue for the rest of a 12 month period to say it in non-mathematical terms
calculated by (end val - start val)/ start val.
In other words it assumes your return will continue for the rest of a 12 month period to say it in non-mathematical terms
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Yes, more or less. I did not actually use xirr, hence the use of "type" and 'not annualized" above. But yes, this is about half of what I would have gotten had I actually used xirr.RNJ wrote:Just to clarify, you essentially halved the xirr result (Jan - June)? Thanks!Rodc wrote:7.25% not counting contributions (or more correctly, XIRR type return, not annualized, YTD)
60/40 more or less
This is the number provided by Fidelity. In the past I checked this, after annualizing, to XIRR and they agreed. So it is a compound growth rate that factors in inflow and outflow as XIRR does, but is reported as YTD. That was a while ago, things could have changed, but that is my current understanding.
FWIW: a straight percent of current balance vs 1/1/2014 balance shows a little over 10% growth.
We live a world with knowledge of the future markets has less than one significant figure. And people will still and always demand answers to three significant digits.
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6.4% YTD through July 1st.
I don't count percentage increase due to contributions.
I don't count percentage increase due to contributions.
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I'm retired and withdrawing money from my 403(b) accounts. But they have nonetheless grown almost every month this year.
I'm not going to compute a percentage amount compared to 12/31/2013 because it would serve no purpose...
I'm not going to compute a percentage amount compared to 12/31/2013 because it would serve no purpose...
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Our net worth today is 10% more than 6 months ago. That's as much work as I'm willing to do for this thread!
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6% for 1/1 to 6/30. Total return (excludes contributions).
70/30 portfolio.
70/30 portfolio.
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Honestly, I have absolutely no idea. I only calculate a return once per year (or less). Any more than that and I start "seeing things" that aren't there.
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Re: How are you doing through the first half of 2014?
YTD return as of June 30: 6.21%
With contributions: 27.33%
With contributions: 27.33%
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~100% equities. 11% of which is company stock.
Cumulative Portfolio change YTD - 16% => 35% annualized (XIRR). Factoring out contributions(& employers) my cumulative rate is ~8% => 18% annualized.
Company stock with held me down last year some, but is fueling my returns this year. More importantly I am still at a point where my contributions/company match account for a major chunk of portfolio growth. I find this motivating.
Cumulative Portfolio change YTD - 16% => 35% annualized (XIRR). Factoring out contributions(& employers) my cumulative rate is ~8% => 18% annualized.
Company stock with held me down last year some, but is fueling my returns this year. More importantly I am still at a point where my contributions/company match account for a major chunk of portfolio growth. I find this motivating.
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I don't track enough data points to make an accurate calculation. I do have a data point on 7/18/2012. Since then I am up 64.09%, or 28.81% CAGR including contributions.
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Well, I'm around %75 stocks to %25 bonds. My ROI today for 2014 is %6.74. So I guess that's about %13 annualized.
Why include contributions; what's that got to do with returns? I guess it shows how well one saves, and a penny saved is a penny earned, right? Still, I think it paints a distorted picture, and it is best that the amount saved should be counted separately from returns. -- Tet
Why include contributions; what's that got to do with returns? I guess it shows how well one saves, and a penny saved is a penny earned, right? Still, I think it paints a distorted picture, and it is best that the amount saved should be counted separately from returns. -- Tet
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Seems bonkers to include new contributions as part of return. Someone starting out will have returns in the 1000s of percent.
This is functionally the same question as "what is your AA," but with less information conveyed in the answer. I could see asking the market timers this question, but not the rest of us.
Anyway, I do track this routinely so I can say I have YTD return, not annualized, of 6.0%, with 63% equities tilting to small value and approx 50% international on the equity side.
This is functionally the same question as "what is your AA," but with less information conveyed in the answer. I could see asking the market timers this question, but not the rest of us.
Anyway, I do track this routinely so I can say I have YTD return, not annualized, of 6.0%, with 63% equities tilting to small value and approx 50% international on the equity side.
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Not a bad start to 2014- 6.86%
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7.6% so far not including contributions.
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We are up 5.5% YTD (AA is 45/55)
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Ketawa wrote:XIRR does. I didn't bother to put in a YTD line for each asset class in my Excel spreadsheet. Maybe I'll add one.livesoft wrote:Vanguard et al. do not annualize. Otherwise LifeStrategy Moderate Growth would have about a 12% number.
Year over year may be more enlightening ...
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OP didn't ask about returns; he asked how I was doing. My doingness has nothing to do with which money came from growth and which came from savings. I'm 10% better off today than on January 1, no matter how the gains/additions were counted.tetractys wrote:Well, I'm around %75 stocks to %25 bonds. My ROI today for 2014 is %6.74. So I guess that's about %13 annualized.
Why include contributions; what's that got to do with returns? I guess it shows how well one saves, and a penny saved is a penny earned, right? Still, I think it paints a distorted picture, and it is best that the amount saved should be counted separately from returns. -- Tet
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I doing okay, personal rate of return of +5.9% YTD in my 401 as of 7/1 (Fidelity's calculation, not mine). Not sure how things are going at VG but probably fairly similar. I'm on track to meet all my saving/investment contribution goals for the year. Could be much worse.
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Excluding contributions, 7.8% YTD, 15.6% annualized.
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This was the first time in my life where nothing went into my investments and nothing came out in this 6-month interval. Comparing spreadsheets, It is up 5.4% with an actual 62/38 asset allocation. Coasting in retirement and just using my checking account for now.
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Re: How are you doing through the first half of 2014?
About the same here, only 27% equity and 73% bond. Very pleased with this year so far. About 40% of our Tesla cost has been made up in the last 2.5 months stock and bond market growth.NAVigator wrote:This was the first time in my life where nothing went into my investments and nothing came out in this 6-month interval. Comparing spreadsheets, It is up 5.4% with an actual 62/38 asset allocation. Coasting in retirement and just using my checking account for now.
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Doing an XIRR I get 7.4% YTD return and 15.5% annualized. I'm around 60/40
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I pay no attention to rate of return and stating aggregate growth doesn't mean much because that includes contributions.
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Both 67, retired exactly 2 years with now a 42/58 modified coffeehouse portfolio (from 60/40) so up exactly 5.459% for first half of year. We sleep very well.
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I'm not sure I understand your question re: contributions. Assume you had portfolio that started at $10k on January 1st, with $1k of contributions and $1k of gain in six months. The portfolio is now worth $12k; however, I don't think anyone would say you had a 20% YTD return on that portfolio. You have to calculate your return factoring in the contributions you've made otherwise you'll end up with an erroneous result. XIRR is the function that will allow you to do this, although you can also do this by hand. This post by madsinger helped me immensely to understand XIRR, returns, etc.tetractys wrote:Well, I'm around %75 stocks to %25 bonds. My ROI today for 2014 is %6.74. So I guess that's about %13 annualized.
Why include contributions; what's that got to do with returns? I guess it shows how well one saves, and a penny saved is a penny earned, right? Still, I think it paints a distorted picture, and it is best that the amount saved should be counted separately from returns. -- Tet
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I don't see how you can exclude contributions and expect to calculate the correct rate of return.
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Doing very good so far.
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We are about 80/20 stocks and bonds and up about 5.5%, no contributions and after her RMD. We are optimistic since all the the forecasts at the beginning of the year for a stronger second half than first.
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Is there a mathematical way to 'un-annualize' XIRR? I use Quicken and their performance reports show only XIRR.
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I think in Quicken if you change the data-range to be 1-1-2014 to 12-31-2014, then the report will be "unannualized".