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I am curious if anyone knows about "anti-Bogglehead" sites or forums ?

What I mean is that this particular forum is comprised of a group of knowledgable people who believe in a particualr philosophy helping people who want to learn.

I personally now believe in the philosophy.

I am curious of anyone knows of a similar forum with just a different phillosophy, say a forum that believes you CAN pick a winning mutual fund from the pack.

I have been on at least one investing site that seems populated by just random bunch of people with no consistant philosophy, and totaly varying levels of what I would call financial intelligence.

So does anyone know of any "good" forums, with knowledgable people, who just have a different point of view ?
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Good forums? No, or at least not that I am aware of. But if you want to get a perspective of completely opposite points of view, go to yahoo finance, type in any ticker symbol, and read the message boards.
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Morningstar has a bunch of conversations which do not follow the Boglehead philosophies. http://socialize.morningstar.com/NewSoc ... fault.aspx They are very busy, too. There is, of course, "Bogleheads Unite" still there, but that one isn't very busy any longer. Most of those would be contributors are now here. Mel and Taylor remain to help stragglers there.
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http://seekingalpha.com/

The hedge fund and wall street types go here. Contains a lot of technical, mathematical analysis by intelligent people. Pointless in my opinion, but there are lots of high IQ people who contribute.
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This is the best one by far:
http://wealthmanagement.com/forum

I think it used to be called Registered Rep or something like that. With recent topics like "Hiring a telemarketer to cold-call for me?" and "Knocking on Doors...Testimonials and Stories Wanted" what more could you not want?

Perhaps you want their opinion of Bogleheads, so here it is: http://wealthmanagement.com/forums/loun ... eads-redux
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Just turn on your television!
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Seeking Alpha.

I have learned a lot there about stock valuation there which has helped me understand the market better. However, many of those posting on SA are either touting stocks they are invested in or are investment advisors trolling for clients.

So I would say by all means read it. (I do and occasionally comment.) but don't let it influence your investing behavior except, perhaps, in giving you more insight into what kinds of thinking moves the markets.
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Morningstar has a bunch of forum focused in various ways: different fund families, bonds, and other categories. Some seem pretty good but do not have nearly the traffic that Bogleheads has. I have posted on them a few times but rarely got a response.

The Permanent Portfolio forum, http://crawlingroad.com/blog/, is pretty good but is narrowly focused on PM and the PP.

There are a lot of posts on this forum for home improvement, appliances, cars, etc. There are some really good forums for those items on the web.
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i like seeking alpha as well

similar thoughts to those above
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The Big Picture, by Barry Ritholtz, has a wealth of good background information. Pragmatic Capitalism is unusual for the "Modern Monetary Theory" POV-- don't ask me to explain it, I don't understand it myself. But I think the best site for comprehensive news, periodic data, and good analysis is the Financial Times, especially the Alphaville section.
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Go to about 2:30 on the video if you don't have 3:30 minutes.
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Not forums for discussion, but a VERY different approach:

http://www.magicformulainvesting.com/
http://www.magicdiligence.com/
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Motley Fool - Fool.com - discussion on many individual stocks and many subscriptions - there are some very good articles there too.
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livesoft wrote:This is the best one by far:
http://wealthmanagement.com/forum

I think it used to be called Registered Rep or something like that. With recent topics like "Hiring a telemarketer to cold-call for me?" and "Knocking on Doors...Testimonials and Stories Wanted" what more could you not want?

Perhaps you want their opinion of Bogleheads, so here it is: http://wealthmanagement.com/forums/loun ... eads-redux
Found this link on one of the topix in the forum about cramers stock picks in 2000:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/891820/1 ... world.html
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For a long time the Janus Junction was the much more popular board at Morningstar. Then tech stocks crashed and the rest is history, I guess.
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leod wrote:
livesoft wrote:This is the best one by far:
http://wealthmanagement.com/forum

I think it used to be called Registered Rep or something like that. With recent topics like "Hiring a telemarketer to cold-call for me?" and "Knocking on Doors...Testimonials and Stories Wanted" what more could you not want?

Perhaps you want their opinion of Bogleheads, so here it is: http://wealthmanagement.com/forums/loun ... eads-redux
Found this link on one of the topix in the forum about cramers stock picks in 2000:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/891820/1 ... world.html
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Glad I missed that keynote speech.
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dhodson wrote:i like seeking alpha as well
I'm thinking I used to like Seeking Alpha too, but having just gone to the site I see that you can't even view the main page anymore without registering. Boo! :annoyed

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Morningstar is interesting. I check out what Limoman has posted.
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Not a site per se, but this guy has a feeling in his gut AND a webinar too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... XveGyGkHxA
DOW down to 6000 sometime in 2013; maybe tomorrow. :oops:
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The Motley Fool

Dave Ramsey - just pick a good "growth" fund and you can get 12% annual returns. :shock: :oops:
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stocktwits.com is pretty "active".
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EyeYield wrote:Not a site per se, but this guy has a feeling in his gut AND a webinar too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... XveGyGkHxA
DOW down to 6000 sometime in 2013; maybe tomorrow. :oops:
Don't mean to change the subject, but our older neighbors( who we get a long with very well) told me last year that the Dow would be down to 8,000 this fall. I mentioned that I believe that events are already priced into the market. They kind of laughed at me and said I was too young and will understand one day. I then realized that its impossible for everyone to follow the Boglehead way.
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Grt2bOutdoors wrote:The Motley Fool

Dave Ramsey - just pick a good "growth" fund and you can get 12% annual returns. :shock: :oops:
And load funds are preferred, to discourage you from selling! :twisted:
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NOLA wrote:
EyeYield wrote:Not a site per se, but this guy has a feeling in his gut AND a webinar too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... XveGyGkHxA
DOW down to 6000 sometime in 2013; maybe tomorrow. :oops:
Don't mean to change the subject, but our older neighbors( who we get a long with very well) told me last year that the Dow would be down to 8,000 this fall. I mentioned that I believe that events are already priced into the market. They kind of laughed at me and said I was too young and will understand one day. I then realized that its impossible for everyone to follow the Boglehead way.

Yep...most people are cynical. If you envision it going down, then for you it...
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Fidelity just sent me an invitation to a stock-picking seminar in Boston. Not me!
Morningstar regularly asks me to sign up for their stock-picking newsletter. Not me!
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baw703916 wrote:
Grt2bOutdoors wrote:The Motley Fool

Dave Ramsey - just pick a good "growth" fund and you can get 12% annual returns. :shock: :oops:
And load funds are preferred, to discourage you from selling! :twisted:
LOL, I just saw a post from a guy who wonders why he isn't getting these oft-touted returns.

"I hear Dave talk about investing and receiving a 12% return. I moved some investments to a local ELP but have received only a 7.2% return. Can anyone tell me if you are getting those kind of returns with growth stock mutual funds and for how long you have been doing it. I have no doubt Dave is but am not having that kind of success but would like to."

Emphasis added by me. Dave doesn't need those kind of returns, he's making plenty on the conferences, books and thousands-per-month that each ELP has to pay.
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Reddit's investing forum has a lot of younger investors as well as pretty strong contingents of technical traders and bogleheads.
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