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by Mudpuppy » Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:23 am
Stil N D Nile (still happily traipsing along the infamous Egyptian river)
Long
OXY (Occidental Petroleum)
SVU (Supervalu Inc)
Short
AAPL (Apple)
WHR (Whirlpool)
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by docneil88 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:28 am
Underdog Superman Fund
Our motto comes from Horace: "Many shall be restored that now are fallen, and many shall fall that are now in favor."
Long
APOL Apollo Group Inc.
COCO Corinthian Colleges Inc
Short
FB Facebook
LNKD LinkedIn Corp.
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by dad2000 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:17 am
Long:
ESI
APAGF
Short:
SSYS
SMBL
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by peppers » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:43 pm
Geriatric Rehabilitation Fund
Long BEN SAM
Short RUTH ROSE
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by Raging Mage » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:20 pm
It's been a very long time since I posted at BH, but I couldn't resist jumping into the fray.
The Quicker-Picker-Maybe-Upper Fund
Long:
LUV (SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CO)
ERII (ENERGY RECOVERY INC)
Short:
AA (ALCOA INC)
CTXS (CITRIX SYSTEMS INC)
These selections were made entirely at random via computer (like a lottery "quick pick"). I used Excel's RAND function to generate the results.
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by dmcmahon » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:26 pm
Raging Mage wrote:These selections were made entirely at random via computer (like a lottery "quick pick"). I used Excel's RAND function to generate the results.
My team of skilled dart-throwing chimps says "It's on like Donkey Kong!"
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by jlegato » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:53 pm
Fund Mobius Holdings Inc
Long
KO
KMB
Short
AAPL
CSCO
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by Mudpuppy » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:18 pm
dad2000 wrote:Long:
ESI
APAGF
Short:
SSYS
SMBL
You forgot to give your hedge fund a name.
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by baw703916 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:03 pm
The Full Spectrum Fund
Long: FLIR Systems, Inc. (FLIR)
Green Mountain Coffee Roasters (GMCR)
Short: Red Hat, Inc. (RHT)
JetBlue Airways Corp. (JBLU)
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by livesoft » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:04 pm
My CLF pick is going the wrong way badly.
This information has been prepared without taking into account the Sequestration, investment objectives, financial situation and particular needs of any particular person or company.
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by Raging Mage » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:50 pm
dmcmahon wrote:Raging Mage wrote:These selections were made entirely at random via computer (like a lottery "quick pick"). I used Excel's RAND function to generate the results.
My team of skilled dart-throwing chimps says "It's on like Donkey Kong!"
Heh. Chimps versus computers? Sounds like fun. Or perhaps we're really on the same side if we made blind picks instead of trying to out-guess the market. =)
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by aLLbUSINESS » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:27 pm
AllBusiness Fund
Long Positions:
AMZN -- Amazon.com Inc
FB - Facebook.com Inc
Short Positions:
GRPN -- Groupon.com Inc
BBY -- Best Buy Inc
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by protagonist » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:52 pm
Taylor Larimore wrote:Snowjob wrote:Are we going to do another one again next year? This is always a fun exercise
It is also an educational exercise:
Vanguard's Total Market Index Fund Admiral (VTSAX) currently has a Year-to-Date return of 15.70%. Only
7 hedge funds in the contest did better;
26 hedge funds did worse.
Past performance does not guarantee future performance.Happy Holidays
Taylor
That is interesting..isn't 7/33 better than the percentage of mutual funds that beat the market?. But am I right in assuming the "players" were locked in to two long and two short positions, and they were not allowed to trade all year? Not that people would do better if they had more flexibility, but they might, and it would be interesting to see.....
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by zaboomafoozarg » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:44 am
protagonist wrote:That is interesting..isn't 7/33 better than the percentage of mutual funds that beat the market?. But am I right in assuming the "players" were locked in to two long and two short positions, and they were not allowed to trade all year? Not that people would do better if they had more flexibility, but they might, and it would be interesting to see.....
They're allowed to lock in their gains/losses at any point, right?
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by Park » Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:18 am
STCM Fund
Longs
CBEY CBeyond Inc.
TNAV Telenav Inc.
Shorts
CPRT Corcept Therpeutic Inc.
CERE Cerus Inc.
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by protagonist » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:08 pm
If this and the "guess the year-end index" contests were held by WSJ, Fox News or Money Magazine, the winner surely would have nightly major national media appearances for at least the coming year, and probably have billions of dollars in assets flowing his/her way from those wanting to jump on the bandwagon.
It's too bad the winner chose a forum so unappreciative of his/her talents. (

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OK:
Infidelity Contrabandista Fund.
SHORT:
TGT
PHM
LONG:
MA
RSH
I have no idea what these companies do, or even their names. But they are the opposite picks of last year's winner.
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by camper » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:35 pm
protagonist wrote:If this and the "guess the year-end index" contests were held by WSJ, Fox News or Money Magazine, the winner surely would have nightly major national media appearances for at least the coming year, and probably have billions of dollars in assets flowing his/her way from those wanting to jump on the bandwagon.
It's too bad the winner chose a forum so unappreciative of his/her talents. (

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OK:
Infidelity Contrabandista Fund.
SHORT:
TGT
PHM
LONG:
MA
RSH
I have no idea what these companies do, or even their names. But they are the opposite picks of last year's winner.
You mean you didn't see me all day yesterday on cnbc? I was getting the word out about my monthly financial newsletter.

By the way your longs are Mastercard and Radioshack. Shorts are Target and Pulte.
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by k66 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:03 pm
Name: The Walking Hedge
Those characters who can hopefully make it to next season
Long: DRL, GLNG
Those characters who you thought were dead (but may yet come back to bite you) or should want a quick exit (now... please!)
Short: MRLN, TDG
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by protagonist » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:13 pm
camper wrote:By the way your longs are Mastercard and Radioshack. Shorts are Target and Pulte.
(smiling....)
By the way, will you let us in on the secret to your success? How did you pick them? I need a new system. By investing in low-cost index funds all these years I can't even beat the market.
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by camper » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:27 pm
protagonist wrote:camper wrote:By the way your longs are Mastercard and Radioshack. Shorts are Target and Pulte.
(smiling....)
By the way, will you let us in on the secret to your success? How did you pick them? I need a new system. By investing in low-cost index funds all these years I can't even beat the market.
I chose one of the best performing from 2011 which was Mastercard as a reversion to the mean pick.
I had a feeling home builders would do well so I picked Pulte.
I drive by a Radioshack everyday on my way to work and there is never anyone shopping there.
I chose Target just because I like to shop there.
The Pulte and Radioshack picks is what won it. The others weren't that great.
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by jaj2276 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:57 pm
My Labs Are Better Stock Pickers
Long #1 XLS - Exelis Inc
Long #2 CTGX - Computer Task Group Inc
Short #1 BLT - Blount International
Short #2 CATY - Cathay General Bancorp
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by Snowjob » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:25 pm
Free Lunch Fund, now in its 4th year --
Long, BAC, AIG
Short, ZNGA, GRPN
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by Average Investor » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:01 am
HedgeTrimmer Equity Fund
Where Fees Come First
Long
AAPL (Apple)
BAC (Bank of America)
Short
FB (FaceBook)
ZNGA (Zynga)
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by BobSail » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:09 am
LOP Strategic Inverse Fund
Note: LOP - Leverage Other People,. Selections based on shorting previous game participants highest performers and going long on the losers....uh, except for that one ticker that went to 0......
Short
PHM
BAC
Long:
RSH
NKE
Robert | 40 Fixed Income/40 US Equity/20 Int'l Equity
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by Norbert Schlenker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:48 am
The posted portfolios have been recorded. I've done an initial run of the software, the result of which is
here. Please verify your own portfolio and post a message if you see a problem.
There is one problem portfolio,
grok87's. As far as I can tell SDRL is not in the Russell 3000.
New entries may be made, or existing entries modified, up until the market opens tomorrow morning.
I'll announce the winner of the 1% bonus for the best name, and adjust opening prices accordingly, sometime tomorrow.
Nothing can protect people who want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
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by NightOwl » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:11 am
Rannumgen Capital is back.
Longs:
BBBY (Bed, Bath, and Beyond)
TEX (Terex Corp)
Shorts:
RAIL (Freightcar America)
CTGX (Computer Task Group)
NightOwl
"Volatility provokes the constant dread that some investors know more than we do, making us fearful of ignoring such powerful price movements."
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by gailcox » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:26 am
Ok, I'll play!
Manbaby Mama Hedge Fund
Long: Disney (DIS)
Target Corp (TGT)
Short: Garmin Ltd. (GRMN)
United Continental Holdings (UAL)
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by SP-diceman » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:10 am
The Long On Excuses Short On Results Fund.
LONG: DVN, CME
SHORT: DLPH, F
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by ftobin » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:53 am
The Betting It All On PE Fund
Leave sorting valuations columns to the pros!
Long:
IDCC (InterDigital)
RGA (Reinsurance Group of America)
Short:
QLIK (Qlik Technologies)
SFLY (Shutterfly)
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by 4 Iron » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:20 am
4 Iron Capital LLC
Long: UPL, GKK
Short: AMZN, SODA
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by FredPeterson » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:33 am
No Idea What I'm Doing
Long
BAC
LNG
Short
HLF
JCP
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by kenyan » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:11 am
Contrary to Reason
Long: Education Management Corp (EDMC)
Long: Apco Oil & Gas Intl Inc (APAGF)
Short: BioDelivery Sciences (BDSI)
Short: Arena Pharmaceuticals (ARNA)
Retirement investing is a marathon.
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by Norbert Schlenker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:54 am
I'm taking all portfolios up through Fred's NIWID Fund. kenyan's fund was posted 40 minutes after the market opened, and with APAGF up 20% from the Dec 31 close as I write, IMHO it's an unacceptable leg up on the field.
Nothing can protect people who want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
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by kenyan » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:14 pm
Norbert Schlenker wrote:I'm taking all portfolios up through Fred's NIWID Fund. kenyan's fund was posted 40 minutes after the market opened, and with APAGF up 20% from the Dec 31 close as I write, IMHO it's an unacceptable leg up on the field.
Fair enough. I just picked names off a list I read of the Russell 3000's best and worst performers from 2012; I didn't check any return for today. I also read the rules from 2012 posted early in the thread, which stated the cutoff as 9 am on January 3. Obviously, that doesn't make complete sense for 2013. Best of luck.
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by Norbert Schlenker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:23 pm
kenyan, I didn't mean to post anything that sounded like an accusation of impropriety and I apologize if you took it that way. It just wouldn't be fair to the other participants in my opinion.
49 entries plus the (inappropriate but dead easy) benchmark this year. That's up 50% from last year, so there's clearly a bull market in this subject among Bogleheads.
Best name is deemed to be madpunster's
Reversion to the Meme, which gets a 1% advantage on all opening prices.
The first performance table will be available around 6 pm EST today at
http://libra-investments.com/hf/bh.html.
Good luck, all.
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by kenyan » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:35 pm
Norbert Schlenker wrote:kenyan, I didn't mean to post anything that sounded like an accusation of impropriety and I apologize if you took it that way. It just wouldn't be fair to the other participants in my opinion.
49 entries plus the (inappropriate but dead easy) benchmark this year. That's up 50% from last year, so there's clearly a bull market in this subject among Bogleheads.
Best name is deemed to be madpunster's
Reversion to the Meme, which gets a 1% advantage on all opening prices.
The first performance table will be available around 6 pm EST today at
http://libra-investments.com/hf/bh.html.
Good luck, all.
No worries, I was not intending to sound upset, because I am not.
Retirement investing is a marathon.
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by mptness » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:49 pm
Thanks for the opportunity to get this type of gambling out of my system without risking my ability to retire.
The 2 and 20 Fee Fi Fo Fund
Long TOL, QCOM
Short HD, AAPL
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by Snowjob » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:35 pm
Hey Norbert, do you have the historical results from the last 3 years? would be interesting to see how our portfolios have done over time =)
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by Norbert Schlenker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:34 pm
The annual results are (and will stay) online for
2009,
2010,
2011, and
2012.
I suspect that's not your intention in asking though. You probably want those tables updated with closing prices as of today. I can do that pretty easily but there will be some significant holes because of the cumulative effects of takeovers and delistings.
@mptness: Your entry is too late. Next year ...
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by dad2000 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:03 pm
Mudpuppy wrote:dad2000 wrote:Long:
ESI
APAGF
Short:
SSYS
SMBL
You forgot to give your hedge fund a name.
Sorry. We'll call it "The Fund without a Name"
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by grok87 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:15 pm
Norbert Schlenker wrote:The posted portfolios have been recorded. I've done an initial run of the software, the result of which is
here. Please verify your own portfolio and post a message if you see a problem.
There is one problem portfolio,
grok87's. As far as I can tell SDRL is not in the Russell 3000.
New entries may be made, or existing entries modified, up until the market opens tomorrow morning.
I'll announce the winner of the 1% bonus for the best name, and adjust opening prices accordingly, sometime tomorrow.
oops, sorry.
please replace SDRL with Exelon (EXC).
thanks
grok, CFA
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by protagonist » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:50 pm
I haven't followed stocks or bought a copy of the WSJ since I switched to indexing in '99.
Now I will have to buy a WSJ subscription and a pile of financial software so that I can follow my portfolio. I will have no more time for my friends and family. My sax playing will surely suffer. Damn.
(btw, are those expenses tax-deductible if used exclusively to follow hypothetical portfolios?)
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by Tyr0ne » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:49 pm
Fund Name: Eat Your PEs
Long:
TJX Companies (TJX)
Take-Two (TTWO)
Short:
Best Buy (BBY)
Barnes & Noble, Inc. (BKS)
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by STC » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:53 pm
If only I
Long:
TDC
JPM
Short:
LO
AMZN
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by LadyGeek » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:02 pm
Hang on, the contest is already running - no entries are accepted after the market opened on 2-Jan.
grok87 submitted before the deadline but has a problem with one position. It's up to Norbert Schlenker to decide if grok87 can participate or not.

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by Snowjob » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:32 pm
Norbert Schlenker wrote:The annual results are (and will stay) online for
2009,
2010,
2011, and
2012.
I suspect that's not your intention in asking though. You probably want those tables updated with closing prices as of today. I can do that pretty easily but there will be some significant holes because of the cumulative effects of takeovers and delistings.
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Nope, just putting together some literature to attract more capital =P
Returns since Inception / Growth of 10,000 -
Snowjob Benchmark
10,000 10,000
2010 30% 12.80%
2011 -2.90% -0.20%
2012 38.50% 14%
17,483 12,833
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by jhd » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:31 pm
Am I Doing This Right?
Long: ACAS, BRE
Short: MD, TWTC
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by peppers » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:38 pm
49 entries plus the (inappropriate but dead easy) benchmark this year. That's up 50% from last year, so there's clearly a bull market in this subject among Bogleheads.
Hmmm...Methinks there are a few closet day traders among us.

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by kenyan » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:07 am
kenyan wrote:Norbert Schlenker wrote:I'm taking all portfolios up through Fred's NIWID Fund. kenyan's fund was posted 40 minutes after the market opened, and with APAGF up 20% from the Dec 31 close as I write, IMHO it's an unacceptable leg up on the field.
Fair enough. I just picked names off a list I read of the Russell 3000's best and worst performers from 2012; I didn't check any return for today. I also read the rules from 2012 posted early in the thread, which stated the cutoff as 9 am on January 3. Obviously, that doesn't make complete sense for 2013. Best of luck.
Looks like I can just follow wshang's portfolio anyhow, as he did the same thing I did. The only exception is that I dumped KITD for EDMC, as the former had become a penny stock and I didn't know if it was going to stay in the index.
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by Dovahkiin » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:56 pm
Shorting Netflix was disastrous, lol.

I went from first place last night to middle of the road. The Black Hole Capital Fund was crushing the market but now its sucking all the investors money. Black Hole Capital Fund will stay the course and continue shorting NFLX, ignoring this "bubble."
I'm busy Friday and won't be able to post but on 1/25/13 the Black Hole Capital Fund will end the short position on BKS taking whatever the market close will be(freezing it).
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