How much is "having made it"?
How much is "having made it"?
Read a slew of posts about high net worth posts recently. One of the themes is that once you "have made it", you then can take less risk and the main objective becomes preserving the principal. Based on a recent post, 6 millon appears above the line. My net worth is about half of that. So my curiosity is how much is big enough to mean "made it", and it's high time to start switching gears from typical investment strategy like "age in bond" to be much more conservative?
Realizing there are a lot of caveats, depending on personal lifestyles, tax vs. tax deferrable account, home equity. But just like many sentiment polls, let's do a "gut feeling" number poll. My number would be 5...
A completely side note: no spell check function on this forum? That would be helpful for someone like me..
Realizing there are a lot of caveats, depending on personal lifestyles, tax vs. tax deferrable account, home equity. But just like many sentiment polls, let's do a "gut feeling" number poll. My number would be 5...
A completely side note: no spell check function on this forum? That would be helpful for someone like me..
Re: How much is "having made it"?
There are so many variables to this, it is difficult to come up with a meaningful answer. For example, let's say you want to have a retirment income of 60K to be comfortable. You have a pension that pays 80K, you have social security that pays 20K and your spouse has Social Security that pays another 15K. In this case, your net worth could be minimal, and you would still "have it made". This leads to the question of how do you calculate "net worth".
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I am assuming, no pension, no SS, just what number I would need. I assumed a 2-3% withdrawal rate so $2 million might not to it. So, in this scenario $5 million would have me set for life. I CAN and have, in the past, lived on much much less. But, to feel I have have made it, $5 mil is a magic figure. I won't be disappointed if I don't reach it. I am quite comfortable now and nowhere near that number.
There is a spell checker on this site. Unless it is Firefox's spell checker.AQ wrote:A completely side note: no spell check function on this forum? That would be helpful for someone like me..
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For me, it is always $1MM in net worth more than my current net worth.
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I said $3 million, on the theory that $100,000 is a nice number and that 3% is apparently capable of sustaining that rate, adjusted for inflation, for just about as long as anyone could want.
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Firefox has a built in spell checker. Works pretty much everywhere. Safes mu but offend.Rob5TCP wrote:There is a spell checker on this site. Unless it is Firefox's spell checker.
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Hi AQ:
Mr. Bogle explains in his book, ENOUGH
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That's easy: When we are content with what we have.How much is "having made it"?
Mr. Bogle explains in his book, ENOUGH
Best wishes.
Taylor
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Taking into account budgeting for future long term care, I don't see how to estimate a this-is-enough figure. I voted $10M or more.
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No amount of money constitutes "having it made". Ones health and well being of their loved ones is much more important. Would you say billionaire Steve Jobs had it made with all his medical problems?
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SpringMan wrote:No amount of money constitutes "having it made". Ones health and well being of their loved ones is much more important. Would you say billionaire Steve Jobs had it made with all his medical problems?
In this context, it's talking about having it made in a financial sense. Of course Steve Jobs didn't have it made medically.
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Similar for me. I'd probably say "Twice whatever I have at the moment."dickenjb wrote:For me, it is always $1MM in net worth more than my current net worth.
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What's REALLY important . .
AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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Re: How much is "having made it"?
3 million in investable assets. I have a lot of $ locked up my house. At this point I don't consider it...but it it adds to my "net worth."
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Not a penny less than 100 million.
Yes sir, 100 million pennies is enough to hang these spurs up.
Yes sir, 100 million pennies is enough to hang these spurs up.
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Taylor, our prayers are with Pat and you.Taylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
Jeff
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+1jsl11 wrote:Taylor, our prayers are with Pat and you.Taylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
Jeff
Let us know if you need anything Taylor.
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Taylor
Praying for you and Pat. May she be granted healing and may you be granted peace of mind and endurance in this difficult time.
All my best thoughts and hopes for you and your family.
Thanks for everything you have given to all of us here.
Praying for you and Pat. May she be granted healing and may you be granted peace of mind and endurance in this difficult time.
All my best thoughts and hopes for you and your family.
Thanks for everything you have given to all of us here.
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A lump sum equal to 50 times my families annual income would be "having made it" for me. If I could live off of 2% withdrawals then I'd feel pretty good.
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Please keep us updated and know you her both are in our thoughts and prayers.Taylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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Only the best Taylor. Hope all works out well. They do literally medical miracles today. Jack Bogle is an example of this (going on 18 years).ofcmetz wrote:Taylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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A person who never knows when enough is enough will never have enough
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Hope all goes well for her and youTaylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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Do you include the value of your home when figuring your number? I say 2 million would be a reasonable amount.
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How true. My thoughts and prayers with you and Pat.Taylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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I also hope all goes well.Cheap_rookie wrote:Hope all goes well for her and youTaylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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Hi Taylor,Taylor Larimore wrote:
AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
Best wishes to her for a complete recovery. Thanks for sharing your personal news.
Anjou.
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Taylor, I hope Pat recovers well and is back home soon. My best wishes are with you both.Taylor Larimore wrote:
AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means.AQ wrote:Read a slew of posts about high net worth posts recently. One of the themes is that once you "have made it", you then can take less risk and the main objective becomes preserving the principal. Based on a recent post, 6 millon appears above the line. My net worth is about half of that. So my curiosity is how much is big enough to mean "made it", and it's high time to start switching gears from typical investment strategy like "age in bond" to be much more conservative?
Realizing there are a lot of caveats, depending on personal lifestyles, tax vs. tax deferrable account, home equity. But just like many sentiment polls, let's do a "gut feeling" number poll. My number would be 5...
A completely side note: no spell check function on this forum? That would be helpful for someone like me..
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Re: What's REALLY important . .
Taylor,Taylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
Best wishes.
Taylor
Please give my best wishes to Pat for an expedient recovery,
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I think the question here is not, "Do you have so much that you can stop investing?" but "Do you have so much that you can reduce the risk?" Answering the former question is easy, the answer is usually "never." Answering the latter question is more difficult but more useful.FedGuy wrote:Similar for me. I'd probably say "Twice whatever I have at the moment."dickenjb wrote:For me, it is always $1MM in net worth more than my current net worth.
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I voted 2 million; I think I could get by on that for life.
Sending my best regards as well, Taylor.
Sending my best regards as well, Taylor.
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I just read about Pat's surgery over on the moderators panel. As I posted there, we wish Pat a speedy recovery.
Well, I'll be the first here to say we think we "have it made" with a COLA adjusted pension plus SS of right around $100,000, and a nest egg in the mid six figures we don't have to touch. With Medicare plus Tricare, medical expenses are minimal. No debt.
Life is good. We try hard every day not to take it for granted.
Chris
Well, I'll be the first here to say we think we "have it made" with a COLA adjusted pension plus SS of right around $100,000, and a nest egg in the mid six figures we don't have to touch. With Medicare plus Tricare, medical expenses are minimal. No debt.
Life is good. We try hard every day not to take it for granted.
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Thoughts and prayers are sent to Pay and you. Indeed, treasure the important things and not the treasure. Thanks for this painful reminder.Taylor Larimore wrote: Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
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I'm so sorry Taylor. This must be such a difficult time for you and your family. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you. I hope your wife's recovery is swift and your lives soon resume their joy and sweetness.Taylor Larimore wrote:AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
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Re: How much is "having made it"?
Taylor,AQ:
Pat, my dear wife for 60 years, is in the critical care unit at Mercy Hospital in Miami trying to recover from open-heart surgery.
It is at times like this that we learn what's really important -- and it's not "dollars".
Best wishes.
Taylor
As a new member and a consumer of The Boglehead's Guide to Investing I want to thank you so much for what you do. I hope that your wife is able to have a full and expedient recovery. You are a wonderful person and I can only imagine how special Pat must be. Take care.
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The poll asks when you have "made it", not when you "have it made". "Made it" to me suggests crossing a threshold, while "having it made" to me suggests abundance. To me "made it" would be around $2M, since at 3% that generates an income of $66k that is comfortable, though not necessarily sufficient to comfortably handle a major health crisis. Maybe I'd "have it made" at $4-5M.Rob5TCP wrote:In this context, it's talking about having it made in a financial sense. Of course Steve Jobs didn't have it made medically.
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Hard to answer this without respect to one's age. $2M at 70 is almost certainly plenty for a nice lifestyle, at 20 it's just a good start.
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Hard to answer this kind of question in isolation from an individual's specific circumstances (e.g. age, cost of living, dependents etc etc). That said, I'd go with the US$10 million - that would allow most people to live a long and good life (financially speaking) without taking more than very moderate risk. The lesser numbers might not cut it for large families over long periods in high cost of living areas.
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Taylor,
Best wishes to your dear wife and to you.
Best wishes to your dear wife and to you.
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Taylor,
Hope all turns out well.
Hope all turns out well.
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Most posters seemed to interpret "having made it" as having enough that they'd choose not to work any more. I did not.
I answered $1 million, as even before I reached that point I'd be reducing my risk considerably and focusing on preserving my existing capital. I'd still be working, but I'd worry less about money. With $1 million in the bank, I figure I would have crossed the threshold of having provided for the basic worldly needs of myself and my dependents.
If I had a $1M but couldn't work any more, we'd certainly lower our standard of living, but we'd have enough for food, clothing and shelter pretty much indefinitely. In my mind, that's "having made it." After that I'm working for optional stuff -- nice house, cash to blow on books, taking my wife out to dinner once in a while, bikes and footballs for the kids.
I answered $1 million, as even before I reached that point I'd be reducing my risk considerably and focusing on preserving my existing capital. I'd still be working, but I'd worry less about money. With $1 million in the bank, I figure I would have crossed the threshold of having provided for the basic worldly needs of myself and my dependents.
If I had a $1M but couldn't work any more, we'd certainly lower our standard of living, but we'd have enough for food, clothing and shelter pretty much indefinitely. In my mind, that's "having made it." After that I'm working for optional stuff -- nice house, cash to blow on books, taking my wife out to dinner once in a while, bikes and footballs for the kids.
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Dear Taylor,
Rose and I send our thoughts and best wishes to you and Pat, wishing her a speedy recovery. We will keep you both in our prayers.
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Rose and I send our thoughts and best wishes to you and Pat, wishing her a speedy recovery. We will keep you both in our prayers.
family_doc
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I'm finding these Net Worth threads from anonymous internet posters quite amuzing.
I'm finding these Net Worth threads from anonymous internet posters quite amuzing.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/retire ... lth_a1.aspEvery three years the Federal Reserve Board conducts a national survey that tracks the financial health of American households....
Net worth, as every financially precocious schoolchild knows, is the sum of one's assets -- home equity, investments, savings accounts, retirement funds, cars, furnishings and such things as jewelry, furs, wine collection, old baseball cards -- minus all outstanding liabilities such as mortgage balance, revolving and credit card debt, college loans and so on. Across all households, the national median net worth is $86,000. Half of your fellow citizens have more than that, half less. As you see, there's a massive disparity between the haves and have-nots.
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Net worth (percentile) Median net worth (rounded) Level VI (90 to 100) $833,600 Level V (80 to 89.9) $263,100 Level IV (60 to 79.9) $141,500 Level III (40 to 59.9) $62,500 Level II (20 to 39.9) $37,200 Level I (less than 20) $7,900
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^ I think you need to do this for each age bracket. Of course those under 30 are way "poorer" than those over 60. And they should be.
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Recall Donald Trump saying that you have it made/are wealthy if you can spend $1M/yr and not think about it.
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$3,000,000 seems like the magic number for me. I could diversify my investments and get more than 90,000 in interest, dividends and occasionally, capital gains for life (I'm ~40 years old). 3 million feels like comfort.
Sorry to hear about your wife, Taylor. Best Wishes.
Sorry to hear about your wife, Taylor. Best Wishes.
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Taylor,
Your post is a reminder to focus on what is truly important and to not let it slip through our fingers while we are worrying about something else.
Best wishes for Pat's full recovery.
Your post is a reminder to focus on what is truly important and to not let it slip through our fingers while we are worrying about something else.
Best wishes for Pat's full recovery.
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I am less concerned with dollars than lifestyle. I'll "have it made" when I can focus more on my hobbies than work.