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This is an investing and personal finance forum. We also maintain a subforum that allow our members to discuss consumer goods and services and recreational activities. Anything else is considered "Off Topic" and is not acceptable on this forum.
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Investing - Help with Personal Investments
This subforum is for all questions about your (or your friend's or family's) actual investments or investment planning. This includes retirement plan accounts, taxable accounts and tax issues related to buying and selling stocks. If you have a question about what to buy, what to hold, what to sell or how to set up an asset allocation plan, ask it here.
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If it's investment related and it doesn't fall into the above category it goes here. Examples of acceptable topics include news about new fund offerings, pointers to academic papers about investing issues, questions about the proper role of a particular asset class in a portfolio, or questions about Vanguard policies.
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- home maintenance
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- leisure and recreational activities: travel, sports, entertainment
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Note that this subforum has a much lower threshold for locking or removing posts than the financial and investing subforums. In general, controversial, offensive, pointless, divisive or mean-spirited posts or topics may be locked, edited or deleted (with or without notice) at the discretion of the moderating staff even if they do not otherwise violate forum policies.
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- Proposed regulations that are directly related to investing may be discussed if and when they are published for public comments.
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