I just called vanguard to inquire if I had incurred an accidental wash sale.
Today 10/13, I basically sold all vanguard total international shares: 1,792.257 shares
Then I realized that on 9/23, I reinvested dividends and bought 9.414 shares ( )
and on 9/22 I had made a purchase for 32.495 shares (Re )
So I had bought new shares less than 30 days ago and I sold everything. The vanguard rep is adamant that this is not a wash sale because I did not buy an identical fund. I told him that I believe it is wash sale because I sold new shares less than 30 days prior to selling everything. Who is right? I would hate to be right
If I'm right is it a partial wash sale? Can I claim taxes on the share difference?
Thanks
Sorry, another wash sale question
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Re: Sorry, another wash sale question
The Vanguard Rep is correct. Not a wash.
Suppose instead you sold all of your shares except for the 32.495+9.414 shares you bought on 9/22 and 9/23.
Those shares would then be participating in a wash sale. So some of the loss in the sale of the other 1792.257-32.495-9.414 shares you sold would be added to those shares; i.e., their cost basis would increase.
Then a microsecond later, you sold those 32.495+9.414 washed shares, recouping the loss.
The effect is the same as if it were not a wash sale to begin with.
If it helps, you can think of what you did as a wash sale that lasted for a microsecond.
Suppose instead you sold all of your shares except for the 32.495+9.414 shares you bought on 9/22 and 9/23.
Those shares would then be participating in a wash sale. So some of the loss in the sale of the other 1792.257-32.495-9.414 shares you sold would be added to those shares; i.e., their cost basis would increase.
Then a microsecond later, you sold those 32.495+9.414 washed shares, recouping the loss.
The effect is the same as if it were not a wash sale to begin with.
If it helps, you can think of what you did as a wash sale that lasted for a microsecond.
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Re: Sorry, another wash sale question
Thank you House Blend!House Blend wrote:The Vanguard Rep is correct. Not a wash.
Suppose instead you sold all of your shares except for the 32.495+9.414 shares you bought on 9/22 and 9/23.
Those shares would then be participating in a wash sale. So some of the loss in the sale of the other 1792.257-32.495-9.414 shares you sold would be added to those shares; i.e., their cost basis would increase.
Then a microsecond later, you sold those 32.495+9.414 washed shares, recouping the loss.
The effect is the same as if it were not a wash sale to begin with.
If it helps, you can think of what you did as a wash sale that lasted for a microsecond.
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Re: Sorry, another wash sale question
The way to realize it is that the wash rules say that the shares were the replacements get a step up in basis to account for the tax loss you didn't get buuut you don't have those shares anymore because they also were sold.