[Poll] How do you rebalance?
[Poll] How do you rebalance?
What method do you use to keep your portfolio consistent with your desired asset allocation?
"Band rebalancing" refers to a tolerance band — when the allocation to a certain asset class strays more than some percentage from the target.
Jerry
"Band rebalancing" refers to a tolerance band — when the allocation to a certain asset class strays more than some percentage from the target.
Jerry
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I chose internally, via Lifestrategy fund.
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I withdraw (when I need to pay bills) from whatever is over-weighted (unless there is a tax hit, in which case I might withdraw from bonds). I also have bands that would trigger re-balancing even if I didn't need money.
So I can't answer the poll; I re-balance monthly and using bands.
So I can't answer the poll; I re-balance monthly and using bands.
I always wanted to be a procrastinator.
Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
I chose new contributions, because that's how I move the biggest percent of my investments around. But the truth is that I also rebalance as ESPP and RSU shares become available, twice yearly.
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I chose other because I use multiple methods. I try to do it with new contributions, but that is not always sufficient. When necessary I exchange funds within my 401k. I don't have hard bands, but I do have target allocations.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
I use new money for several reasons. First, I am never tempted to sell at the wrong time if I never sell. Second, if I use new money to re-balance, I do not sell right before something outperforms expectations.... Instead, I buy more of something when it is below expectations. Psychologically, it keeps me from second guessing and helps me to stay the course.
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New money and bands; had to choose other. And the band choices don't capture what I do. I look at two percentages: of the asset and of the portfolio. If the second is small I tolerate more swings on the first. E.g. my REIT target could be off 10% as a percentage of REITs, but that gap is only half a percent of my portfolio so I could tolerate it.
Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
Unfortunately, this poll can have several "correct" responses.
Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
I use new money (plus dividends and cap gains, if you consider that new money) and bands to rebalance. Only allowed one choice I picked bands. I figure most everyone will use new money to rebalance. I use a 5% band. For asset classes less then 20% of the portfolio I use 25% of the asset class.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
Not sure how to answer.
New funds until the markets move too far too fast for that to work, then bands.
New funds until the markets move too far too fast for that to work, then bands.
We live a world with knowledge of the future markets has less than one significant figure. And people will still and always demand answers to three significant digits.
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Since I'm accumulating, and I use several rebalancing methods, the poll doesn't work well for me (I guess I could choose "other").
I keep things mostly in balance by directing new contributions mostly to fixed income. Over the last several years, this has kept the equity/FI fairly well balanced. Additionally, I review everything more or less annually, and go a little deeper and look at US/Int'l, small/value, REIT, etc. Lastly, if there's a really bad day, I'll see if I can loss harvest, but with the performance over last few years, those opportunities are small as my recent purchases are often fixed income...
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I keep things mostly in balance by directing new contributions mostly to fixed income. Over the last several years, this has kept the equity/FI fairly well balanced. Additionally, I review everything more or less annually, and go a little deeper and look at US/Int'l, small/value, REIT, etc. Lastly, if there's a really bad day, I'll see if I can loss harvest, but with the performance over last few years, those opportunities are small as my recent purchases are often fixed income...
Don
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
Each Dec when taking RMD.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
Not disciplined enough to rebalance at any fixed set time/pattern, so "periodically" or "randomly" would be the most suitable option. I allocate new monies when I get around to rebalancing.
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I rebalance once a year, whenever I fill my Roth IRA.
For those who voted "use bands: range 5% and < 7.5%", how do you apply these percentages? Say you have 60% stocks and 40% bonds. Does that mean you rebalance when bonds are off 5% of 40% (i.e. 38% to 42%), or when they're 5% off 100% (i.e. 35% to 45%).NAVigator wrote:"Band rebalancing" refers to a tolerance band — when the allocation to a certain asset class strays more than some percentage from the target.
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I resemble that. I have an excel spreadsheet where the desired asset allocation is displayed in a bar graph alongside the actual portfolio. Each of the asset classes are listed. For me that is a basic portfolio with bonds split into Total Bond, Intermediate Term Investment Grade and TIPS. The equities are divided between total US and total Int'l. When one value exceeds 5% from the desired level, I rebalance. I make an exception for TIPS since it is only a small part of the mix.schuyler74 wrote:I rebalance once a year, whenever I fill my Roth IRA.
For those who voted "use bands: range 5% and < 7.5%", how do you apply these percentages? Say you have 60% stocks and 40% bonds. Does that mean you rebalance when bonds are off 5% of 40% (i.e. 38% to 42%), or when they're 5% off 100% (i.e. 35% to 45%).NAVigator wrote:"Band rebalancing" refers to a tolerance band — when the allocation to a certain asset class strays more than some percentage from the target.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
For me 5% of asset class unless it is < 20% in which case I use 25% of asset class. In your example 5% around 40% (35 - 45).schuyler74 wrote:I rebalance once a year, whenever I fill my Roth IRA.
For those who voted "use bands: range 5% and < 7.5%", how do you apply these percentages? Say you have 60% stocks and 40% bonds. Does that mean you rebalance when bonds are off 5% of 40% (i.e. 38% to 42%), or when they're 5% off 100% (i.e. 35% to 45%).NAVigator wrote:"Band rebalancing" refers to a tolerance band — when the allocation to a certain asset class strays more than some percentage from the target.
If my asset class is 12% of portfolio then I will re-balance at 9-15%.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
I use ranges but between contribution and redirecting distributions I haven't needed to sell anything in a few years.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
New money and bands.
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Gee, I'm 1 of only 2 using bands of 10% or more? I expected more.
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My big rule is rebalancing per Larry Swedroe's 5/25 rule. However, rebalancing is rarely triggered according to that rule because I somewhat rebalance with new contributions each pay period. I set it to whatever asset class needs a boost most, which usually means bonds, and hardly ever trigger my bands. Though, during the 2008-9 crash, I had to rebalance three times into equities.
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Depends what one means, which as so often happens is not at all clear in how the poll is constructed.Angst wrote:Gee, I'm 1 of only 2 using bands of 10% or more? I expected more.
As far as I know folks using bands tend to do something like 5% on stocks and bonds, absolute, and 20% relative on sub assets.
So if one had 50% in stocks they would rebalance between stocks and bonds if stocks hit 45% or 55%.
Within stocks, if they had 30% TSM amd 20% Total international, they would rebalance if TSM or ITSM were off by 6%/4% respectively. If they had 15% TSM and 15% SCV on the US side, they would rebalace them if they got off by 3%.
When you say bands of 10% or more are you talking about absolute or relative?
And more importantly, OP, what did you mean?
We live a world with knowledge of the future markets has less than one significant figure. And people will still and always demand answers to three significant digits.
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Not sure why only one answer is allowed. I allocate using new contributions and/or by shifting money between asset classes, and I use 5% rebalancing bands. I guess I'll vote "other"
Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
Where's the choice for eclectic?
New contributions
Balanced funds
Bands
Somewhat random
Part of tinkering
Limit contributions/excess to separate savings
Lar
New contributions
Balanced funds
Bands
Somewhat random
Part of tinkering
Limit contributions/excess to separate savings
Lar
Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
In the OP, I stated; "Band rebalancing" refers to a tolerance band — when the allocation to a certain asset class strays more than some percentage from the target.Rodc wrote:When you say bands of 10% or more are you talking about absolute or relative?
And more importantly, OP, what did you mean?
It isn't a test. If the options don't fit your model, say so. That is why these posts about the poll are instructive. This gives an opportunity for you to explain how you rebalance.
I didn't realize that rebalancing a portfolio could involve multiple methods, and if so, which would have priority. Thanks for describing your strategy.Bungo wrote:Not sure why only one answer is allowed. I allocate using new contributions and/or by shifting money between asset classes, and I use 5% rebalancing bands. I guess I'll vote "other"
"Other" seems to be gaining momentum.larmewar wrote:Where's the choice for eclectic?
If the choices given in the polls do not fit your method, please describe how you rebalance your portfolio. Perhaps it would be helpful to explain why that technique is used.
Thanks for the many replies. As Taylor has often stated, "There are many roads to Dublin."
Jerry
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
Since 2008 I've done the following: I've used bands, but one of the following usually seems to take precedence. I've used random. I've rebalanced so I'll sleep better. I've rebalanced with new money (and dividend income). I've donated appreciated securities to a DAF. I've sold funds to pay off mortgage or buy a car. I've sold total bond market because the yield was low and CDs were safer -- but will probably go back at some point. I've tax loss harvested.
I like to keep my options open -- and that includes a better approach than cap based index funds if those come along. The world with no risk doesn't exist.
I like to keep my options open -- and that includes a better approach than cap based index funds if those come along. The world with no risk doesn't exist.
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We have some GLIW deferred VA's that are generous by today's standard. Although there is auto rebalancing, that if you have a guaranteed Income Account growth, one should try to maximize the Actual Account. Thus when I remember (random) I will rebalance in hopes of maximizing outcome.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
At the moment, in efforts to convert to a more bogel-ish portfolio, I rebalance mosty by selling whatever individual stock I can bring myself to let go of in my Roth once a month or so and putting that $$ into VG Int Term Bond ETF as I/we are quite underweight on bonds.
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Re: [Poll] How do you rebalance?
Allowing multiple answers would be useful, as I rebalance in three ways.
Whenever I make a new taxable contribution, I invest it in the most underweighted asset class in my taxable account.
Every January, when I make my IRA contribution, I do a full rebalance except for tax costs; I won't sell for a taxable gain unless I am beyond my rebalancing bands.
I rebalance with bands if necessary; this has happened only twice in my 17 years of investing. In 2008, I was overweighted in bonds because of the market crash. In 2010, I was overweighted in REITs because they recovered so rapidly.
Whenever I make a new taxable contribution, I invest it in the most underweighted asset class in my taxable account.
Every January, when I make my IRA contribution, I do a full rebalance except for tax costs; I won't sell for a taxable gain unless I am beyond my rebalancing bands.
I rebalance with bands if necessary; this has happened only twice in my 17 years of investing. In 2008, I was overweighted in bonds because of the market crash. In 2010, I was overweighted in REITs because they recovered so rapidly.
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I hate to make large money moves.
I am most concerned with the equity vs fixed income allocation. Being retired I have little opportunity to use new money to re balance.
I have a band of 3% for equities and try to keep my allocation in that 3% window. I have a lot of divs and cap gains sent to money market and some brokerage CDs. This serves as "new" money to help rebalance.
If the my equities get to the high end of the band I might trim it back a bit or vice versa.
If a sub allocation e.g.If REITs are getting hammered I might see it as an opportunity to buy/rebalance "early".
I'm kind of like a river boat pilot - making a few small course corrections as needed to avoid oncoming traffic or running aground -- trying to avoid wild corrections that might upset the passengers!
In 2013's bull market I made 3 or 4 course corrections in 2014 so far none.
Once a year I do a major review and make any corrections that are needed especially to the sub allocations.
I am most concerned with the equity vs fixed income allocation. Being retired I have little opportunity to use new money to re balance.
I have a band of 3% for equities and try to keep my allocation in that 3% window. I have a lot of divs and cap gains sent to money market and some brokerage CDs. This serves as "new" money to help rebalance.
If the my equities get to the high end of the band I might trim it back a bit or vice versa.
If a sub allocation e.g.If REITs are getting hammered I might see it as an opportunity to buy/rebalance "early".
I'm kind of like a river boat pilot - making a few small course corrections as needed to avoid oncoming traffic or running aground -- trying to avoid wild corrections that might upset the passengers!
In 2013's bull market I made 3 or 4 course corrections in 2014 so far none.
Once a year I do a major review and make any corrections that are needed especially to the sub allocations.
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I chose bands<2.5% because that is what I mostly do. I check my AA once or twice a month and since that is much more time consuming than actually rebalancing, I figure "Why not rebalance when I am off by a percent or so?". That way I don't have to make large dollar transactions, which could result in buyer/seller remorse. I don't try to capture any "rebalancing bonus," but will check my AA if there is a big swing one way or the other in the market.
I also direct new contributions in taxable and Roth to the slices that are down. My 401K contributions are on auto-pilot.
I also direct new contributions in taxable and Roth to the slices that are down. My 401K contributions are on auto-pilot.
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I do it annually. Usually, I buy tax deferred using money in taxable accounts.
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