
coinflip wrote:what made you decide to substitute REITs for bonds?
ofcmetz wrote:coinflip wrote:what made you decide to substitute REITs for bonds?
REIT's are more volatile and risky than many stocks in my opinion. They are in no way a substitute for bonds. Your portfolio is 100% equity as you state it. Now if you are investing 400K as you say, and then keeping 100K in cash that is a different story.
livesoft wrote:If you need us to vote on it, then you are not really committed. You need to get to the point where you think, "I don't care what anybody else thinks ... I'm going all in!"
Let me know when you do this because that's the day I will probably sell everything.
crowd79 wrote:livesoft wrote:If you need us to vote on it, then you are not really committed. You need to get to the point where you think, "I don't care what anybody else thinks ... I'm going all in!"
Let me know when you do this because that's the day I will probably sell everything.
+1
livesoft wrote:If you need us to vote on it, then you are not really committed. You need to get to the point where you think, "I don't care what anybody else thinks ... I'm going all in!"
Let me know when you do this because that's the day I will probably sell everything.
livesoft wrote:If you need us to vote on it, then you are not really committed. You need to get to the point where you think, "I don't care what anybody else thinks ... I'm going all in!"
Let me know when you do this because that's the day I will probably sell everything.
Sbashore wrote:crowd79 wrote:livesoft wrote:If you need us to vote on it, then you are not really committed. You need to get to the point where you think, "I don't care what anybody else thinks ... I'm going all in!"
Let me know when you do this because that's the day I will probably sell everything.
+1
+2. I went back and read some of your past posts. If they are indicative of your thinking then it looks to me like you have some more thinking/learning to do. You're all over the map. You also seem a bit conflicted re: REITS.

InvestorNewb wrote:Hello,
After months of reading the message boards, it looks like I've finally decided on my investment strategy and AA.
It's basically the 3-fund portfolio with REITs substituted for bonds. I plan on executing the trades this week.
Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF (VTI) - 60%
Vanguard Total International Stock ETF (VXUS) - 20%
Vanguard REIT (VNQ) - 20%
I will keep an extra 100k in cash or GICs. This will be used if a major correction occurs, but it will also be used as a back up for living expenses.
Toons wrote:What is your time frame for the invested money?
coinflip wrote:what made you decide to substitute REITs for bonds?
bottlecap wrote:It's risky allocation to begin with. If you're worried about losing money, it's a strange mix.
You might need more research.
JT
ofcmetz wrote:REIT's are more volatile and risky than many stocks in my opinion. They are in no way a substitute for bonds. Your portfolio is 100% equity as you state it. Now if you are investing 400K as you say, and then keeping 100K in cash that is a different story.
livesoft wrote:If you need us to vote on it, then you are not really committed. You need to get to the point where you think, "I don't care what anybody else thinks ... I'm going all in!"
Let me know when you do this because that's the day I will probably sell everything.
dbr wrote:I agree. Reasoning that one has a 3-fund portfolio except that REITs are substituted for bonds causes one to worry that you have not understood the basic starting point of determining stock/bond allocation. You may also not understand what a REIT is. It is also concerning that an additional $100K is "held back" when it would seem more rational to include that asset in the asset allocation. I assume you might be in Canada where we interpret GIC to be similar to a US CD, and not to some kind of indexed annuity insurance product.
It could still be that your proposed allocation is actually ok, although it is very risky*, as pointed out by a previous poster. Personally I would not favor starting out in investing with 20% (or is it really 16%) tilted to REITs.
*80/20 is very risky. If you want to think of the part that is just stocks and REITS, then that is crazy nuts risky, which is also ok if your really, really understand that is what you want to do.
thebogledude wrote:Also assuming this is in your taxable account? Allocation may or may not be risky, depending on your age and risk tolerance. I would go all in on International so you can tax-loss harvest.
Grt2bOutdoors wrote:Let me know whent you are going in on the Reits - I'll sell you mine.
If the 400K is 80% of your holdings - why not mimic the allocation you've selected in taxable - 20% in reserves, 80% at risk? 100% all-in, experience is a tough task-master.
LadyGeek wrote:A poll in this situation is not appropriate. Don't change the bonds for REITs, stay with bonds. Otherwise you have a 100% stocks / 0% bonds asset allocation. For a lot of reasons, the maximum risk you should take is 80% stocks / 20% bonds.
That being said, you should instead heed the guidance from your thread in the Financial Webring Forum, as you have to consider your tax advantaged accounts. See: Help with tax efficiency - portfolio setup. (InvestorNewb is a Canadian resident.)
WHL wrote:I would absolutely DCA with that amount of initial investment.
pkcrafter wrote:Is it just a 3 fund portfolio, or are there 4 asset classes? Is the 100k in cash part of your retirement AA? I think you have to clearly define what it's for so you know exactly what the AA of your retirement portfolio is.
If the 100k is not part of your retirement portfolio, why are you going from no equity to 100% equity? Why were at 0 before this?
Paul

Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF (VTI) - 60%
Vanguard Total International Stock ETF (VXUS) - 20%
Vanguard REIT (VNQ) - 20%
BBL wrote:The anticipation is killing me.![]()
I'm waiting for your poll that starts with: Here's what I actually bought; what do you think?
Will we get one of those?...
Calm Man wrote:The suspense is killing me. Newb, did you do it?
livesoft wrote:I think the OP will be too embarassed not to stay the course after all the ribbing we have given him/her. After all, analysis paralysis works both ways.
letsgobobby wrote:I just don't think you have the conviction to stick with your plan if markets start falling. Which suggests to me that even though 80% stocks and 20% cash/ultrashort bonds is not crazy, it's still not the right AA for you.
JW Nearly Retired wrote:I voted other.......... didn't read all your old threads but did see you have been paralyzed worrying this since October. My chief concern is I know nothing about how you came to be sitting on $500k cash. Is this from bailing out in 2008, or what? If it has any bailing aspect, then 0% bonds is not a good idea. 20% bonds is not a good idea either. Maybe you could try 40%.
What other financial facts go with this $500k cash? I can imagine only some that would make me say OK to that AA.
JW
gt4715b wrote:1. The DCA idea is more to reduce the chances that you'll regret your decisions if stocks selloff in the next month or two. How are you going to feel if stocks drop 20-30% next month? If you can deal with it go ahead and invest it all now. If not, DCA might be the way to go.
2. Your asset allocation is kind of weird the way you've configured it. If all of the 500k is for retirement you should treat it all as one account. So you proposed asset allocation is actually:
Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF (VTI) - 48%
Vanguard Total International Stock ETF (VXUS) - 16%
Vanguard REIT (VNQ) - 16%
Cash - 20%
So a 80/20 stock/bond split is pretty reasonable, but holding the bond position as cash (0 duration) in a retirement account doesn't make much sense; you should at least invest in Short-Term Gov't bonds, unless of course you're getting CD/GIC rates that are really good.
3. I haven't read all of your other posts, but with this much money at a relatively young age do you have a NEED to be so heavily invested in equities? How about a 60/40 stock/bond mix? I really fear that being heavily invested in stocks you're going to sell out when the market falls.
I would recommend that you take 1-2 years living expenses out of the money to use as an emergency fund, then invest the remainder as:
Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF (VTI) - 36%
Vanguard Total International Stock ETF (VXUS) - 12%
Vanguard REIT (VNQ) - 12%
Short-term Bond (BSV) - 40%
Easy Rhino wrote:c) Assuming you plan to retire in Canada,I dont' think it would be wrong if you wanted to have a bit of a bias toward Canadian stocks or bonds. Although I don't know the investment vehicles to attempt such a thing.
InvestorNewb wrote:I'm not sure why some folks don't think I will stay the course. If there is a downturn in the market, it would be foolish to sell unless I needed the money for an emergency of some sort. I don't anticipate this happening.
Several years ago, I bought an AIG stock and saw it lose about 50% of its value. I waited almost an entire year for it to recover and sold it then. It was on a much smaller scale, mind you, but the same principle applies.JW Nearly Retired wrote: I voted other.......... didn't read all your old threads but did see you have been paralyzed worrying this since October. My chief concern is I know nothing about how you came to be sitting on $500k cash. Is this from bailing out in 2008, or what? If it has any bailing aspect, then 0% bonds is not a good idea. 20% bonds is not a good idea either. Maybe you could try 40%.
What other financial facts go with this $500k cash? I can imagine only some that would make me say OK to that AA.
JW
I had $0 invested in 2008... The cash was accumulated in the last 3 years thanks to my online business. But it has been extremely volatile in the last 10 months or so, which has caused me to look for other avenues to grow my savings.
BBL wrote:The anticipation is killing me.
I'm waiting for your poll that starts with: Here's what I actually bought; what do you think?
Will we get one of those?...
Calm Man wrote:The suspense is killing me. Newb, did you do it?
Fairly soon.
InvestorNewb wrote:In the last 24 hours or so, I've been thinking about using the MSCI Canada Index ETF (VCE) in my tax-free savings account. This would represent about ~5% of my portfolio, but it would max out the space in that account. My understanding is that this fund is the equivalent to the US's VTI ETF, but for Canada instead. My main reason for doing this would be to not have to pay any withholding tax on the dividends.
LadyGeek wrote:InvestorNewb wrote:In the last 24 hours or so, I've been thinking about using the MSCI Canada Index ETF (VCE) in my tax-free savings account. This would represent about ~5% of my portfolio, but it would max out the space in that account. My understanding is that this fund is the equivalent to the US's VTI ETF, but for Canada instead. My main reason for doing this would be to not have to pay any withholding tax on the dividends.
To those waiting in suspense, there will be a short delay. He's asking about VCE over in the Financial Webring Forum, this thread: VCE vs EWC ETFs
linuxuser wrote:LadyGeek wrote:InvestorNewb wrote:In the last 24 hours or so, I've been thinking about using the MSCI Canada Index ETF (VCE) in my tax-free savings account. This would represent about ~5% of my portfolio, but it would max out the space in that account. My understanding is that this fund is the equivalent to the US's VTI ETF, but for Canada instead. My main reason for doing this would be to not have to pay any withholding tax on the dividends.
To those waiting in suspense, there will be a short delay. He's asking about VCE over in the Financial Webring Forum, this thread: VCE vs EWC ETFs
If there was an emoticon for ROTFL aka it will never end, I would use it here.

dickenjb wrote:I do not understand why someone would go from 100% cash to 80% equities. Does this $500K represent his entire portfolio? How old is he? What is his time horizon? More questions than answers here.
crowd79 wrote:S&P is up 6% in January. The cost of waiting continues.....



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