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  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
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PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:12 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
He just means that ''fully reflects" needs a definition. (Obviously, a hypothesis with undefined terms is not testible.)

That's precisely the point. You can test it. But you can't test it wit ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:06 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
The fact that someone would even call beating the market a "talent" is laughable.

If such a thing exists it would be something similar to industrial process control, it would be a kind of ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:42 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
He just means that ''fully reflects" needs a definition. (Obviously, a hypothesis with undefined terms is not testible.)

That's precisely the point. You can test it. But you can't test it wit ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:01 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
You don't understand. I am suggesting proving one of the alternatives. Proving one of these thousands or millions of claims.
You've lost me. You said EMH was empirically verifiable. Now you want ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:20 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
You don't understand. I am suggesting proving one of the alternatives. Proving one of these thousands or millions of claims.
You've lost me. You said EMH was empirically verifiable. Now you want ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:37 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
You don't understand. I am suggesting proving one of the alternatives. Proving one of these thousands or millions of claims.
You've lost me. You said EMH was empirically verifiable. Now you want ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:29 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
It's not a matter of logic that reliable methods cannot survive publications. Their is a whole field of behavioral economics says that humans have tendancies that keep them from efficient investing r ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:53 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology

Shiller could raise some capital and put his money (and other people's money) where his mouth is, and do so in a systematic well documented manner. A few decades later Shiller Investment Bank woul ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:48 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
It's not a matter of logic that reliable methods cannot survive publications. Their is a whole field of behavioral economics says that humans have tendancies that keep them from efficient investing r ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:29 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
It's not a matter of logic that reliable methods cannot survive publications. Their is a whole field of behavioral economics says that humans have tendancies that keep them from efficient investing r ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:14 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
Actually, a method that was reliable would prove that a market was not efficient. If the method kept working after it was revealed to the public, then that would be a counter-example against the EMH. ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:01 am   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
If you assume that a perfectly efficient market means that it's not possible for anyone at all (not BGI, not Warren Buffett, not the entire trading floor of Goldman Sachs) to outperform the market on ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:13 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar wrote:

That does not demonstrate a tautology. Here is an example of a tautology:

You are either 6 feet tall or you are not 6 feet tall.

It's something that cannot be disproven, no ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:04 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
If you assume that a perfectly efficient market means that it's not possible for anyone at all (not BGI, not Warren Buffett, not the entire trading floor of Goldman Sachs) to outperform the market on ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:27 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tms wrote:

The problem is, as is with most critics of EMH, he doesn't offer an alternative.

Actually, isn't this also part of the "tautoloy"? A or not A. A is true because not A cann ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:13 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
Since it is unpredictability that matters, why does the specific wording of the EMH get so much attention? IMO, it's psychological. Humans have a hard time dealing with randomness, we seem to need an ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:04 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
A better predictor would identify which assets have a higher risk-adjusted return.
Are you saying that in order to disprove EMH someone has to find a reliable way to beat the market?

Actually, a m ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:00 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tms wrote:

The problem is, as is with most critics of EMH, he doesn't offer an alternative.

Actually, isn't this also part of the "tautoloy"? A or not A. A is true because not A cann ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:32 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
What would refute the EMH?

A sound statistical hypothesis test that shows that some predictor (an ABC based-predictor, for instance) is a better predictor than the price set by the market.
A bette ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:37 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
Therefore, a proof that the price is a highly imprecise predictor does not refute the EMH.
What would refute the EMH?

A sound statistical hypothesis test that shows that some predictor (an ABC bas ...
  Topic: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
tadamsmar

Replies: 101
Views: 2627

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:09 pm   Subject: EMH "failed spectacularly", is a tautology
ABC does not hold up to scrutiny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_business_cycle_theory#Empirical_research

So what if somebody, Austrian or otherwise, predicted the market would crash befo ...
  Topic: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
tadamsmar

Replies: 58
Views: 3747

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:03 am   Subject: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
So what's the moral to the story?

Is it that we can use 4% is a good planning number?
Is it that we adjust according to current conditions?
If the US markets over the last 100 years are a reliabl ...
  Topic: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
tadamsmar

Replies: 58
Views: 3747

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:11 am   Subject: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
So what's the moral to the story?

Is it that we can use 4% is a good planning number?
Is it that we adjust according to current conditions?
If the US markets over the last 100 years are a reliabl ...
  Topic: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
tadamsmar

Replies: 58
Views: 3747

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:14 pm   Subject: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
Withdrawing an arbitrary percentage in retirement has never made sense to me. The only way to guarantee a fixed income stream is just to buy an annuity. Otherwise, I am partial to the idea of living ...
  Topic: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
tadamsmar

Replies: 58
Views: 3747

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:58 pm   Subject: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
I think the biggest problem with the Trinity Study is that they exclusively used the single most successful national stock market in the world. Does not seem like a representative (much less conserv ...
  Topic: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
tadamsmar

Replies: 58
Views: 3747

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:08 pm   Subject: Why the 4% retirement withdrawal rule is a myth - NOT!
At current valuations, my burn rate is around 3.5%. At the market low in March, 2009, it was in the 5% range. While all of the retirement calculators I've used show that my plan has a high probability ...
  Topic: Adrian takes off
tadamsmar

Replies: 17
Views: 1858

PostForum: Lounge - Consumer, Leisure, and General Interest   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:54 pm   Subject: Adrian takes off
If someone would have predicted back in early 2009 that the markets would advance to these levels, I would have accused them of drinking a pint of Fleischman's Vodka! Or maybe even a fifth! This bear ...
  Topic: Dropping Homeowner’s Insurance
tadamsmar

Replies: 38
Views: 1764

PostForum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:29 pm   Subject: Dropping Homeowner’s Insurance
remember this when thinking of dropping the insurance..

worst case scenario... house burns down or is destroyed.. .

Nope. Worst case scenario is the neighborhood kid falls down your steps, sus ...
  Topic: Dropping Homeowner’s Insurance
tadamsmar

Replies: 38
Views: 1764

PostForum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:44 pm   Subject: Dropping Homeowner’s Insurance
the neighborhood kid falls down your steps, sustains a head injury, ends up in an ICU for 6 months and sends you the bill.

I though frivolous lawsuits were generally being denied these days (?) or ...
  Topic: Dropping Homeowner’s Insurance
tadamsmar

Replies: 38
Views: 1764

PostForum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:49 pm   Subject: Dropping Homeowner’s Insurance
remember this when thinking of dropping the insurance..

worst case scenario... house burns down or is destroyed.. .

Nope. Worst case scenario is the neighborhood kid falls down your steps, sus ...
  Topic: Going For Another Test Drive
tadamsmar

Replies: 37
Views: 2037

PostForum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:37 pm   Subject: Going For Another Test Drive
I think its a good idea to get a IIHS Top Safety Pick:

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

They have them back to the 2006 model year.

In particular, get Electonic Stability Control. It ...
  Topic: In theory, why wouldn't it be best to rebalance every day?
tadamsmar

Replies: 53
Views: 2742

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:58 am   Subject: In theory, why wouldn't it be best to rebalance every day?
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to determine a rebalancing algorithm by using the efficient frontier calculation?

There should be 2 reasons for rebalancing: (1) shift from your risk target and (2 ...
  Topic: Modern Portfolio Theory tested with recent market behavior
tadamsmar

Replies: 59
Views: 3588

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:58 pm   Subject: Modern Portfolio Theory tested with recent market behavior
The problem is if one investor thinks the price is wrong, it is very difficult for him to profit since he must trade with the market. In reality there are many on both sides of the price who think it ...
  Topic: In theory, why wouldn't it be best to rebalance every day?
tadamsmar

Replies: 53
Views: 2742

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:54 am   Subject: In theory, why wouldn't it be best to rebalance every day?
Vanguard rules that prevent short-term timing also prevent frequent rebalancing, and even band-based rebalancing if volatility is high enough.
  Topic: Get more liability insurance?
tadamsmar

Replies: 10
Views: 614

PostForum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)   Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:14 am   Subject: Re: Get more liability insurance?
I am looking at my liabilty exposure. I have half interest in a farm that seems to be fully exposed to liability claims even if I declared bankrupcy.
The farm has a tax value of $400,0000.

I have ...
  Topic: Get more liability insurance?
tadamsmar

Replies: 10
Views: 614

PostForum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)   Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:02 am   Subject: Get more liability insurance?
On advice of my attorney, I dropped my farm into an LLC even though I also own an umbrella policy. The attorney specializes in asset protection, LLC law, tax law and estate planning.

I did this m ...
  Topic: Get more liability insurance?
tadamsmar

Replies: 10
Views: 614

PostForum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)   Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:40 am   Subject: Get more liability insurance?
I am looking at my liabilty exposure. I have half interest in a farm that seems to be fully exposed to liability claims even if I declared bankrupcy.
The farm has a tax value of $400,0000.

I have ...
  Topic: In theory, why wouldn't it be best to rebalance every day?
tadamsmar

Replies: 53
Views: 2742

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:11 am   Subject: In theory, why wouldn't it be best to rebalance every day?
Aren't some of these studies plagued by a apples to oranges comparison?

If you ignore risk or sd, then never rebalancing looks good, the less the better. So, a study that only looks at returns, ra ...
  Topic: Retirement Calculator
tadamsmar

Replies: 30
Views: 5155

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:30 pm   Subject: Retirement Calculator
www.financialengines.com
  Topic: Are retirement accounts exposed to liability claims?
tadamsmar

Replies: 17
Views: 1097

PostForum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments   Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:50 pm   Subject: Re: Are retirement accounts exposed to liability claims?
Are IRA's, 401Ks, and TSP accounts exposed to personal liability claims?

I am looking at getting an umbrella insurance policy to protect any of my exposed assets.

It deends on the nature of the ...
  Topic: Are retirement accounts exposed to liability claims?
tadamsmar

Replies: 17
Views: 1097

PostForum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments   Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:40 pm   Subject: Are retirement accounts exposed to liability claims?
This site says that rollover IRAs have been protected since 2005, and traditional+Roth IRAs are protected up to 1 million:

http://www.retirement-retirement.com/Large_IRA's_not_fully_protected_from_ ...
  Topic: Are retirement accounts exposed to liability claims?
tadamsmar

Replies: 17
Views: 1097

PostForum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments   Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:03 pm   Subject: Are retirement accounts exposed to liability claims?
Are IRA's, 401Ks, and TSP accounts exposed to personal liability claims?

I am looking at getting an umbrella insurance policy to protect any of my exposed assets.
  Topic: How to rebalance among stock/bonds (as opposed to funds)?
tadamsmar

Replies: 5
Views: 437

PostForum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:08 pm   Subject: How to rebalance among stock/bonds (as opposed to funds)?
I just rebalance to ratios close to my target asset allocation every year around the time of my birtday, so the bond/stock allocation is about right after rebalancing. None of my funds are in taxabl ...
  Topic: What fixed nominal rate would make you give up investing?
tadamsmar

Replies: 56
Views: 2719

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:43 pm   Subject: What fixed nominal rate would make you give up investing?
The inflation rate from 1970-2000 was about 5%. Assuming that as a poor inflationary 30-year scenario (obviously not the worst case, since something can always be worse) and noting that the Gordon mo ...
  Topic: Why is Vanguard so inexpensive?
tadamsmar

Replies: 35
Views: 2638

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:19 pm   Subject: Why is Vanguard so inexpensive?
Do we get proxy statements for the shareholder's meetings? I don recall ever getting one. He is info on the 2009 meeting:

http://www.vanguard.com/jumppage/proxy/
  Topic: Modern Portfolio Theory tested with recent market behavior
tadamsmar

Replies: 59
Views: 3588

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:25 pm   Subject: Modern Portfolio Theory tested with recent market behavior
"EMH is only disproved if prices in the future are predictable - i.e., you are able to consistently outperform the market." You don't need EMH to prove that there is no general way to outper ...
  Topic: Save on Fees: Check for Admiral Conversion Opportunities
tadamsmar

Replies: 10
Views: 791

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:17 pm   Subject: Re: Save on Fees: Check for Admiral Conversion Opportunities


I wonder if it is possible to merge a Vanguard traditional IRA with a Vanguard rollover IRA in order to simplify when you are willing to give up any possibility of rolling over?

Yes, I've done ...
  Topic: Why is Vanguard so inexpensive?
tadamsmar

Replies: 35
Views: 2638

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:40 am   Subject: Why is Vanguard so inexpensive?
I think no shareholders is the answer. I think this explains why Fidelity, another privately-owned company, has always struck me as being "not as good as Vanguard, but not too bad, really." ...
  Topic: Save on Fees: Check for Admiral Conversion Opportunities
tadamsmar

Replies: 10
Views: 791

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:33 am   Subject: Save on Fees: Check for Admiral Conversion Opportunities
Vanguard just converted my TIPS fund to Admiral, automatically. They did send me a notice saying that they would do so by a certain date if I didn't tell them otherwise, but basically I didn't have to ...
  Topic: Modern Portfolio Theory tested with recent market behavior
tadamsmar

Replies: 59
Views: 3588

PostForum: Investing - Theory, News & General   Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:20 am   Subject: Modern Portfolio Theory tested with recent market behavior
I would think that the "it's efficient, but irrational" concept would not really support the idea that one should buy and hold the entire stock market at all times.

There's nothing in MPT ...
 
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