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Re: Giving guests free WiFI @ short-term rental = get sued?

Thanks again for all the great and detailed replies.
by tidalwave10
Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:23 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Giving guests free WiFI @ short-term rental = get sued?
Replies: 32
Views: 3755

Re: Giving guests free WiFI @ short-term rental = get sued?

Thanks to all for the replies. The Management Company (MC), IIRC, says it's only following the advice its attorney has provided re: WiFi. I have no idea who the attorney is and if this, perhaps, a CYA situation or one where the attorney him or herself has been given bad advice / advice with no good ...
by tidalwave10
Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:59 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Giving guests free WiFI @ short-term rental = get sued?
Replies: 32
Views: 3755

Giving guests free WiFI @ short-term rental = get sued?

I'm in the process of converting a second home to a short-term rental in the Orlando area (about a 25 minute drive to all Disney Theme Parks). Subdivision is zoned for nightly and weekly rentals, and nearly all Owners are absentee landlords using various Management Companies. I'd like to offer free ...
by tidalwave10
Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:07 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Giving guests free WiFI @ short-term rental = get sued?
Replies: 32
Views: 3755

Re: Establishing short-term rental vacation home business?

Thanks ResearchMed. We only truly need a Management Company for Year One to be a single point of contact and as someone who'll arrange all cleaning and other services required. In Year Two, we may be able to hire someone in the short-term vacation home rental subdivision who lives there year round t...
by tidalwave10
Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:26 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Establishing short-term rental vacation home business?
Replies: 8
Views: 801

Re: Establishing short-term rental vacation home business?

Thanks so much Carefreeap for your detailed and helpful response. I did purchase the following highly rated books on Amazon to flip through and see what strikes my fancy (for anyone else out there in the same situation): * 1. How To Rent Vacation Properties by Owner Third Edition: The Complete Guide...
by tidalwave10
Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:07 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Establishing short-term rental vacation home business?
Replies: 8
Views: 801

Re: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?

Thanks again for the help. Any additional advice for the LLC? Don't know anything about not piercing the veil--the LLC is currently in my legal name; not owned by some other legal entity. Will be reading through all posts here very closely today. The quicker I disposition this and make a decision on...
by tidalwave10
Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:47 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?
Replies: 14
Views: 1606

Re: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?

Carefreeap wrote:Start a new thread about experiences with vacation rentals. You'll get a better response from folks like me who have experience.


Done as advised, thanks:

Establishing short-term rental vacation home business?
https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=155844
by tidalwave10
Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:12 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?
Replies: 14
Views: 1606

Establishing short-term rental vacation home business?

Converting my second home in Orlando, FL to a short-term rental property. Location is more toward Clermont, not far from intersection of 192 and US2 27, in a community zoned for short-term rentals. Approximately 90% of the properties in my subdivision there are short-term rentals, owned by and opera...
by tidalwave10
Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:58 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Establishing short-term rental vacation home business?
Replies: 8
Views: 801

Re: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?

Another opinion, sourced from a local colleague I trust, who manages 22 short-term beach-front properties here in NC, is to simply have the property remain in my own name. At least for now. His own properties are actually owned by a trust, which is in turn owned by his 90 year old Father-in-Law who ...
by tidalwave10
Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:28 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?
Replies: 14
Views: 1606

Re: Declare inheritance from deceased relative this year or

Thanks for all the replies. Wife never deposited check and it's now 2015. Inheritance came from a family Trust in California and we are presently North Carolina residents. Will review all replies this weekend. Just wanted to add in case this presents a State income tax issue for anyone with State of...
by tidalwave10
Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:07 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Declare inheritance from deceased relative this year or next
Replies: 13
Views: 1874

Declare inheritance from deceased relative this year or next

My wife should be receiving a check soon for approximately 12K as an inheritance from her deceased grandfather. Not a huge sum, but very welcome. Here are some questions: 1) Should the 12K be declared at all on our tax return? 2) If it should be declared, in which tax year would that be? The year th...
by tidalwave10
Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:24 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Declare inheritance from deceased relative this year or next
Replies: 13
Views: 1874

Re: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?

Thanks to all. Will need to investigate costs / procedures for forming an LLC in Florida. Hoping it is inexpensive / easy (business-friendly). Yes, I do have a mortgage out on the FL property. Was going to refinance my NC home to increase cash flow; father-in-law recommended potentially doing the re...
by tidalwave10
Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:13 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?
Replies: 14
Views: 1606

Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?

I have a vacation home in the Orlando, FL area that I need to rapidly convert to a rental property. Currently I have an unused LLC here in North Carolina and wondered what advantages / disadvantages there might be to changing ownership of the property from my name to my LLC. The LLC was intended for...
by tidalwave10
Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:31 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Put out-of-state rental property in LLC's name?
Replies: 14
Views: 1606

Re: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP are

Bumping up for the holidays. Wonder if I should make an appointment with the local Raleigh SCORE office. Although SCORE is intended to provide free counseling to entrepreneurs, creating a large charitable event is a venture of sorts with many moving parts--staffing, budgeting, legal issues, etc. St...
by tidalwave10
Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:34 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Re: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP are

Bumping up for the holidays. Wonder if I should make an appointment with the local Raleigh SCORE office. Although SCORE is intended to provide free counseling to entrepreneurs, creating a large charitable event is a venture of sorts with many moving parts--staffing, budgeting, legal issues, etc. Sti...
by tidalwave10
Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:33 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Re: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP are

Any thoughts? Anything would help. This will be a "long game." For the remote possibility of launched this event for the 2015 Halloween Season, I must start now. 2016 is fine. But the sooner a deserving charity can benefit from a fundraiser like this, the better. Am I doing anything wrong...
by tidalwave10
Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:02 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Re: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jayce

As a previous president of a local Kiwanis organization, I can say that the work that I did with that organization was rewarding. Unfortunately, work took me away from the group that I used to visit, but there were many opportunities to volunteer for both fundraisers and for events to assist with l...
by tidalwave10
Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:59 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?
Replies: 14
Views: 2682

Re: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jayce

mhalley wrote:Many fraternal orginizations out there.
How about the Shriners?
http://www.shrinersinternational.org/en/Shriners
Or Kiwanis
http://www.kiwanis.org/
or Elks
http://www.elks.org/
Mike


Thanks, will add them to my list or orgs to research.
by tidalwave10
Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:46 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?
Replies: 14
Views: 2682

Re: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jayce

I will second the Lions Club. My plan is to join the Lions Club, they do some great work in our community and its a great group of people. I'm plan on joining after my kids are in college, plus I'm still recovering from being on the Booster Boards so looking forward to year or two off! Thanks DBCoo...
by tidalwave10
Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:46 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?
Replies: 14
Views: 2682

Re: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jayce

Thanks to recent contributors. Will read more closely and respond at another time. Thought is was important to address some concerns raised: No problem about your impression--it is incorrect. Thanks for qualifying your statement and let me explain. One thing I'm definitely not is either political or...
by tidalwave10
Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:44 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?
Replies: 14
Views: 2682

Re: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jayce

You might want to give the NC Respite Coalition a look. Their link is http://northcarolinarespitecarecoalition.org/ I volunteer with the group for my state. This group provides volunteers or $$$ to pay for an hour, a day or a few days of respite care/relief from constant caregiving so the caregiver...
by tidalwave10
Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:40 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?
Replies: 14
Views: 2682

Re: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jayce

Carson wrote:I don't know how much it does, but what about Rotary club?


Thanks Duckie and Carson. Will look-up to confirm these are both secular and non-partisan.
by tidalwave10
Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:20 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?
Replies: 14
Views: 2682

Re: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP are

Any thoughts? Anything would help. This will be a "long game." For the remote possibility of launched this event for the 2015 Halloween Season, I must start now. 2016 is fine. But the sooner a deserving charity can benefit from a fundraiser like this, the better. Am I doing anything wrong...
by tidalwave10
Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:19 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?

What non-partisan, secular Civic-minded orgs, with a strong emphasis on performing volunteer work and helping charities raise funds, should I consider? Since I'm in my early 40s, I no longer qualify for membership with the Jaycees (stated age requirement / limit is 18 to 40). Further, I'm seeking su...
by tidalwave10
Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:42 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Civic volunteer orgs for those too old to join the Jaycees?
Replies: 14
Views: 2682

Re: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP are

Any thoughts? Anything would help. This will be a "long game." For the remote possibility of launched this event for the 2015 Halloween Season, I must start now. 2016 is fine. But the sooner a deserving charity can benefit from a fundraiser like this, the better. Am I doing anything wrong,...
by tidalwave10
Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:16 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Re: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP are

I've emailed the Raleigh Jaycees to see if they've any interest. If they decline (I'm in my early 40's, and so wouldn't technically qualify for membership in the Jaycees), who would others suggest sourcing? And which Civic org do Jaycees typically migrate to--or what options are typically available ...
by tidalwave10
Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:08 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Re: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP are

The Durham Jaycees have been doing a haunted house for about 40 years now. Before the American Tobacco project's basement was renovated into space for high-tech startups, they held it there a year or too (an old factory is an appropriately creepy place!) This year, I think they were at Northgate Ma...
by tidalwave10
Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:45 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?

While my own personal venture has been put on hold, what I'd rather do is get involved with my local community and establish a Haunted Attraction for charity in my area (Raleigh, NC / RTP Research Triangle Park / Wake or Durham County). I do a personal yard haunt at my residence which grows bigger e...
by tidalwave10
Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:44 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Find org to establish charity Haunt in Raleigh / RTP area?
Replies: 9
Views: 1722

Re: Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vend

Briefly, thanks to all. Will check out sources mentioned soon. I do have the ability to print my own 11 X 14 sheets; and that size may be sufficient to my needs. Perhaps it would even be cheaper, if I needed a larger size, to print multiple 11 x 14 sheets, have each separately laminated, then just d...
by tidalwave10
Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:34 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vendors?
Replies: 11
Views: 889

Re: Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vend

Thanks for all the suggestions. For those who have at least ballpark figures for a PDF-to-Poster service, roughly how much does the service cost per unit at places you've mentioned. Although I'd be being one-off jobs, not bulk. And so don't expect any volume discounts. Doesn't much matter what poste...
by tidalwave10
Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:33 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vendors?
Replies: 11
Views: 889

Re: Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vend

For stuff like that I just go to Staples. You say "poster size" but you also say that your 8.5 x 11 is big enough for your needs. That's smaller than sny of Staples' "poster" options. Oops. I meant to say my laminator can only do up to 8.5 x 11. Definitely not poster size! I'll ...
by tidalwave10
Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:11 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vendors?
Replies: 11
Views: 889

Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vendors?

I have some things I'd like to print out poster size and have laminated. However: 1) I don't own a plotter (and don't intend to buy one!) 2) I don't own a laminator that can laminate large, poster sized plots. Not sure what dimensions specifically I need. Possibly in the neighborhood of 24 x 36; per...
by tidalwave10
Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:30 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Create laminated poster from a PDF: online or local vendors?
Replies: 11
Views: 889

Re: Non-tabletop fountain in home office = need dehumidifer?

You know, the real aim here is to have a physical, or as close to physical as possible, "dimensional" white noise source in my home office to help with focus and concentration. Less need for the visual, although that's also soothing. I don't care for headphones or regular stereo sound--ju...
by tidalwave10
Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:11 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Non-tabletop fountain in home office = need dehumidifer?
Replies: 11
Views: 1226

Re: Non-tabletop fountain in home office = need dehumidifer?

You know, the real aim here is to have a physical, or as close to physical as possible, "dimensional" white noise source in my home office to help with focus and concentration. Less need for the visual, although that's also soothing. I don't care for headphones or regular stereo sound--jus...
by tidalwave10
Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:50 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Non-tabletop fountain in home office = need dehumidifer?
Replies: 11
Views: 1226

Re: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleig

Fellow Raleigh-ite here! I'll be blunt, you couldn't pay me enough to hop on a scooter in rush hour traffic with the drivers we have around here. Thanks Dandy and WolfpackFan. @Dandy, pound foolish would be spot on re: choosing a scooter here. Also stepping over dollars to pick up pennies--or rathe...
by tidalwave10
Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:04 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?
Replies: 79
Views: 7053

Re: RTP, NC Chapter Meeting 11:11 AM Sat September 13, 2014

Thanks again Steve for using the Master Thread. No guarantees but I've put the date on my calendar. Really want to attend one of these at some point.
by tidalwave10
Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:50 am
 
Forum: Local Chapters and Bogleheads Community
Topic: RTP, NC Chapter Meeting 11:11 AM Sat September 13, 2014
Replies: 3
Views: 1306

Re: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleig

Glad to put this to rest--it's not for me, personally. Safety's a huge issue and I didn't know about some of the financials (the extra maintenance required, etc). Good conversation. Forget if I or anyone else mentioned it. But it the areas around Raleigh I travel through, the norm seems to be overwe...
by tidalwave10
Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:22 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?
Replies: 79
Views: 7053

Re: Will app for biz credit cards impact personal credit sco

Thanks to all. @EnglishGirl, yes, I believe the score hit for applying is nearly always temporary. These things age out over time and so it's not a problem. Seems one does not want to apply for too many cards within a rolling 12 month period, generally.
by tidalwave10
Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:28 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Will app for biz credit cards impact personal credit score?
Replies: 5
Views: 506

Re: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleig

Will be paying off my small sub-compact car soon and may drive it "till the wheels fall off." good plan! Thanks Hudson. This has worked well for me in the past--literally drove my 2001 Toyota Corolla (purchased new with 0% interest loan) till, somewhere in the neighborhood of close to 200...
by tidalwave10
Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:43 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?
Replies: 79
Views: 7053

Will app for biz credit cards impact personal credit score?

Contemplating applying for some business credit cards (in the name of my LLC). But also considering a refi. My tri-bureau scores are above average. But I know applying for credit cards typically dings your credit score between 5 to 10 points per hard credit pull. Will applying for business credit ca...
by tidalwave10
Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:36 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Will app for biz credit cards impact personal credit score?
Replies: 5
Views: 506

Re: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleig

Thanks again to all. Ride sharing isn't feasible given a reasonably irregular schedule. Will be paying off my small sub-compact car soon and may drive it "till the wheels fall off."
by tidalwave10
Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:10 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?
Replies: 79
Views: 7053

Re: Safe withdrawal rate > 4% if no heirs & ok to deplete ca

Chips aside, thanks to all for the info, insight, and commentary / analysis. :-) I'm about two decades out from traditional retirement age. Quite a way to go, so I've not mentioned specifics. Just wanting to source Bogleheads for various strategies and tactics re: the concept of a Safe Withdrawal Ra...
by tidalwave10
Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:05 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Safe withdrawal rate > 4% if no heirs & ok to deplete captl?
Replies: 32
Views: 3477

Safe withdrawal rate > 4% if no heirs & ok to deplete captl?

For a retiree who: * Has no heirs * Doesn't mind depleting nest egg capital ... what range of safe withdrawal rates above 4% might be prudent based on what is currently customary for that type of scenario / position? Not even questioning if 4% is still currently a safe withdrawal rate for those with...
by tidalwave10
Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:34 am
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Safe withdrawal rate > 4% if no heirs & ok to deplete captl?
Replies: 32
Views: 3477

Re: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleig

Thanks to all. Will stick with the soon-to-be-paid-off car (bought new in 2011). Possibly considering a beater car in the future. Especially given the monster vehicles most people in this area drive (vs. the tiny "clown cars" most people drive in many European or Japanese cities). Many of ...
by tidalwave10
Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:50 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?
Replies: 79
Views: 7053

Re: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleig

Thanks all. Guess I've had the idea because there's a growing number of IT professionals where I work (I'm in IT as well) who ride motorcycles to work. Perhaps they live less than a handful of miles from the workplace. Considered a SmartCar for Two once. And while the thing is evidently very well bu...
by tidalwave10
Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:41 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?
Replies: 79
Views: 7053

Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?

While I own a small, relatively fuel efficient hatchback here in the Raleigh, NC area, it's mostly used for commuting. A huge expense, in my opinion, and mostly a waste. I've thought about getting a scooter for commuting to work (around 18 miles each way), but: * Most scooters can't get to highway s...
by tidalwave10
Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:57 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Ditch car and commute to work in 250cc scooter in Raleigh?
Replies: 79
Views: 7053

Re: Compare and constrast Seven Habits of Highly Effective P

kayanco wrote:Seven habits is a top-down system, whereas GTD is bottom-up. The former focuses on being effective, the latter makes you efficient.


Thanks Kayanco.
by tidalwave10
Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:10 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Implementing David Allen's Getting Things Done (GTD)
Replies: 48
Views: 7232

Re: Credit card "payment networks"--how many are there, e.g

Any other thoughts or points on this topic that haven't been mentioned?
by tidalwave10
Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:24 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Credit card "payment networks"--how many are there, e.g Amex
Replies: 18
Views: 2500

Re: A really odd duck. One credit card with 4 "brands"

Thanks Langkawi, I'll have a look. The following credit card really blows my mind as far as classifying its elements. Evidently *four* "brands" here. Two co-brands, one Payment Brand, and one Issuing Bank? Hawaiian Airlines® Business MasterCard credit card * Hawaiian Airlines (Co-brand) * ...
by tidalwave10
Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:22 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Credit card "payment networks"--how many are there, e.g Amex
Replies: 18
Views: 2500

A really odd duck. One credit card with 4 "brands"

The following credit card really blows my mind as far as classifying its elements. Evidently *four* "brands" here. Two co-brands, one Payment Brand, and one Issuing Bank? Hawaiian Airlines® Business MasterCard credit card * Hawaiian Airlines (Co-brand) * Bank of Hawaii (Co-brand?!?) * Mast...
by tidalwave10
Fri May 30, 2014 3:17 pm
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Credit card "payment networks"--how many are there, e.g Amex
Replies: 18
Views: 2500
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