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Re: madsinger monthly report (June 2014)

I may have missed this, but what's the composition of your Permanent Portfolio ? Hello LadyGeek, After reading and thinking about this for a couple of years, on April 16, I shifted a portion of my portfolio to a "Permanent Portfolio". For no particular reason, except that I have my own &q...
by madsinger
Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:14 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (June 2014)
Replies: 6
Views: 1098

Re: madsinger monthly report (June 2014)

Another strong month for the portfolios.

This month I'm posting my monthly return of my permanent portfolio (up 1.98%) for comparison. Because I did not start this at the beginning of the year, I'm hesitant to post "what would have been" returns.

-Brad.
by madsinger
Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:00 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (June 2014)
Replies: 6
Views: 1098

madsinger monthly report (June 2014)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their June 2014 returns, 2014 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2004, 2009 and 2011 (15 years 6 months, 10 years 6 months, 5 years 6 months, 3 years 6 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/20, 60/4...
by madsinger
Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:54 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (June 2014)
Replies: 6
Views: 1098

Re: Problem when calculating IRR two different ways

But the next case below doesn't work. By using the NAVs I get 6.06% and by using the cash flows in Excel's XIRR I get 6.45%. The only meaningful difference I can see in these two examples is that in this second example the number of shares held increases. There perhaps is some sort of weighting tha...
by madsinger
Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:14 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Problem when calculating IRR two different ways
Replies: 2
Views: 246

Re: Investor Return for VFINX and VTSMX?

Pure guessing here...but I think a "S&P 500 index fund" is more common in 401-k plans than a "total market fund". (sigh...score another victory for marketing over substance...) That coupled with the "fact" (again...pure guessing here....) that 401-k plan investors a...
by madsinger
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:21 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Investor Return for VFINX and VTSMX?
Replies: 7
Views: 966

Re: madsinger monthly report (May 2014)

A pretty strong month for the portfolios. Total bond up about 1%, stocks in the 1% to 2% range. REITs are still outperforming, up 2.35% for the month and up over 16% for the year. Large US is outperforming small US for the year. Value ahead of growth. VGPMX (Precious Metals and Mining) was down for ...
by madsinger
Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:17 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (May 2014)
Replies: 6
Views: 690

madsinger monthly report (May 2014)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their May 2014 returns, 2014 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2004, 2009 and 2011 (15 years 5 months, 10 years 5 months, 5 years 5 months, 3 years 5 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/20, 60/40...
by madsinger
Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:04 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (May 2014)
Replies: 6
Views: 690

Re: madsinger monthly report (April 2014)

A good month for bonds..okay for large cap stocks, not so good for small caps. REITs are now up over 13% for the year, so any portfolio holding them is helped out quite a bit. I made a rather large shift in the madsinger portfolio this month. After reading about and studying the permanent portfolio ...
by madsinger
Mon May 05, 2014 10:46 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (April 2014)
Replies: 5
Views: 771

madsinger monthly report (April 2014)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their April 2014 returns, 2014 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2004, 2009 and 2011 (15 years 4 months, 10 years 4 months, 5 years 4 months, 3 years 4 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/20, 60/...
by madsinger
Mon May 05, 2014 10:36 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (April 2014)
Replies: 5
Views: 771

Re: Cost basis with stock splits and reinvested dividends

The following list should be the purchase date, cost basis, and number of shares in each tax lot. I simply "doubled" the number of shares in the lots from 1993 through 1999. Using today's closing price of $77.31 per share, I computed the current value and the gain for each lot. All of the ...
by madsinger
Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:37 am
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Cost basis with stock splits and reinvested dividends
Replies: 12
Views: 716

Re: madsinger monthly report (March 2014)

LadyGeek wrote:The wiki has been updated (by another editor): Madsinger monthly reports


d'oh! I've got to learn (and remember) to do this myself.

Thank you to those who have made this resource available.

-Brad.
by madsinger
Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:50 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (March 2014)
Replies: 8
Views: 1393

Re: madsinger monthly report (March 2014)

A rather volatile month that ended pretty close to where it started. For the most part, value was ahead of growth for the month, bonds a little lower. A couple of outliers: Emerging market up 3.86%, Precious Metals and Mining down -3.15%, but most things were fairly calm. The portfolios range from a...
by madsinger
Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:04 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (March 2014)
Replies: 8
Views: 1393

madsinger monthly report (March 2014)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their March 2014 returns, 2014 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2004, 2009 and 2011 (15 years 3 months, 10 years 3 months, 5 years 3 months, 3 years 3 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/20, 60/...
by madsinger
Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:00 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (March 2014)
Replies: 8
Views: 1393

Re: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]

Brad, Don't use words. They confuse the brain. The basic IRR equation sets the net present value to zero and calculates the discount rate - IRR. From Microsoft Office support for Excel's XIRR function: http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/files/721/252/ZA006051264.gif http://office.microsoft.com/en...
by madsinger
Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:32 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]
Replies: 54
Views: 3932

Re: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]

(...) 2) "Each investment chunk has its own rate of return." Not really. This idea comes from investor's concern with future values. The XIRR formula is actually based on the setting the net present value to zero. This eliminates the assumption of reinvestment of cash flows at the "a...
by madsinger
Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:39 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]
Replies: 54
Views: 3932

Re: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]

XIRR doesn't give you five year returns, it gives you one week returns, one month returns, three month returns, and returns from every time you invested in the last 1825 days (I know there is at least one leap year in there, so this won't go all the way back to five years ago). If you want to know ...
by madsinger
Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:18 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]
Replies: 54
Views: 3932

Re: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]

I just collected up my data. Much to my surprise, my 5 year XIRR from March 8, 2009 to March 7, 2014 is 24.44%. I was rebalancing throughout, so in February 2009, I had purchased quite a bit of stocks (which had fallen a lot). Also, my precious metals XIRR is much higher than the return of the PM fu...
by madsinger
Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:16 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Happy fifth birthday! [since the 2008-2009 market crash]
Replies: 54
Views: 3932

Re: madsinger monthly report (February 2014)

Which newsletter is "Newsletter", "Newsletter G-IND" and "Newsletter CG" from? I know we don't necessarily want to pop out a bunch of newsletter advertising, but I'm trying to get the complete picture to understand this report fully. I sent you a private message. -Brad.
by madsinger
Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:24 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (February 2014)
Replies: 8
Views: 991

madsinger monthly report (February 2014)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their February 2014 returns, 2014 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2004, 2009 and 2011 (15 years 2 months, 10 years 2 months, 5 years 2 months, 3 years 2 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/20, ...
by madsinger
Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:38 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (February 2014)
Replies: 8
Views: 991

Re: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)

Hi: We have created a new page in the wiki, devoted to consolidating madsinger's monthly reports for easier access. Here is the current early status of the page: Madsinger monthly reports - Bogleheads . regards, Thank you Barry, and to all of the others who have added the old links to the Morningst...
by madsinger
Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:52 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)
Replies: 32
Views: 3684

Re: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)

BradP You still have not corrected the February return for the Growth Index portfolio. G Index is -2.6% not -2.4%.. (according to the newsletter) investor PS comment: I think ethical standards change with generations. I am of the >65 age group. Hello investor, I was waiting to see the correction on...
by madsinger
Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:52 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)
Replies: 32
Views: 3684

Re: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)

They continue to ask about the Hot Hands fund because Brad insists on showing it in his list, and he insists on showing it as the very first fund listed. I have gently encouraged him to remove it (since it is very un-Boglehead in strategy) or to move it down to the bottom of the list. I have tried ...
by madsinger
Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:20 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)
Replies: 32
Views: 3684

Re: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)

I've updated the chart with the Newsletter returns. Their website shows the "Growth-Index" model with a +2.4% gain for the month. I'm assuming this is an error, and should be a -2.4% loss. That's how I have posted the chart. If someone learns that this is really +2.4% gain, please let me k...
by madsinger
Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:27 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)
Replies: 32
Views: 3684

Re: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)

Minus signs? We haven't seen them for quite a while on this chart. Obviously, January was a down month for stocks almost across the board. REITs were an exception, up over 4%. Portfolios that hold REITs were helped out quite a bit. Bonds were up for the month (we ALL saw that coming, right?) ;-) Wis...
by madsinger
Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:51 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)
Replies: 32
Views: 3684

madsinger monthly report (January 2014)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their January 2014 returns, 2014 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2004, 2009 and 2011 (15 years 1 month, 10 years 1 month, 5 years 1 month, 3 years 1 month). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/20, 60/40...
by madsinger
Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:49 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (January 2014)
Replies: 32
Views: 3684

Re: 401K rollover question

If you did a "direct rollover", the 1099 form should have a "G" in a box telling the IRS that is was non-taxable.

Here's a link with some information:

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/money-g ... ers-1.aspx

-Brad.
by madsinger
Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:12 pm
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: 401K rollover question
Replies: 2
Views: 165

Re: How to I find a comparable benchmark?

I posted this chart on the other thread, but I thought it might help to have it here: His IRA Her Ira TR2050 2009 27.00% 22.70% 28.31% 2010 -2.00% 3.80% 15.20% 2011 -7.70% -8.40% -2.54% 2012 16.70% 16.70% 15.58% 2013 24.40% 24.00% 24.34% Total 66.77% 68.82% 107.03% annualized 10.77% 11.04% 15.67% Th...
by madsinger
Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:58 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: How do I find a comparable benchmark?
Replies: 14
Views: 840

Re: My annualized returns are better than yours. Why?

Not a troll. Serious seeker/learner. Thank you all for the insight. I am admittedly new here and ignorant, but am quickly learning. My wife and I have been on the actively managed advisor route since 2008. Here's a better snapshot of our financial situation: Age: 33.5 Me: Net time-weighted and annu...
by madsinger
Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:59 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: My annualized returns are WORSE than yours. Why?
Replies: 87
Views: 6729

Re: My annualized returns are better than yours. Why?

I thought I'd try and do a little analysis and comparison of the original poster's funds and a Vanguard portfolio. These are just cold, dry data. Using the 2013 returns from Morningstar: amount return product AEGBX 2.583% 19.26% 0.50% AEPGX 19.439% 20.15% 3.92% AGRBX 4.013% 32.81% 1.32% AGTHX 23.805...
by madsinger
Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:17 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: My annualized returns are WORSE than yours. Why?
Replies: 87
Views: 6729

Re: quoting etiquette - ok to snip?

englishgirl wrote:I generally (...) complained yet (...) I expect that the mods have better things (...)


:oops:

(just trying for some innocuous humor...I'll pull this down if you don't like it...)

-Brad.
by madsinger
Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:06 pm
 
Forum: Forum Issues and Administration
Topic: quoting etiquette - ok to snip?
Replies: 43
Views: 2588

Re: Precious metals fund VGPMX

Did VGPMX miss a dividend last month? It has paid a Dec dividend for 10 years in a row. According to the "returns" page on the Vanguard website for VGPMX: https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snapshot?FundId=0053&FundIntExt=INT#tab=1a this fund only had a 0.04% "income return&q...
by madsinger
Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:50 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Precious metals fund VGPMX
Replies: 41
Views: 5811

Re: Dogs of the Dow instead of S&P 500?

By the way the first Cisco first payed a dividend in 2011, Microsoft in 2003, and Intel in 1992 (well before it was added to the DOW) Ha! Okay...so I haven't been paying attention! Thanks for the information. I do remember when both cisco and Microsoft started paying dividends. I also recall that w...
by madsinger
Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:01 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Dogs of the Dow instead of S&P 500?
Replies: 27
Views: 2329

Re: Dogs of the Dow instead of S&P 500?

I'll leave the bashing of the Dogs of the Dow to others...but I did find this interesting: http://www.dogsofthedow.com/ddogytd.htm Looking at the list of the 2014 Dogs of the Dow, I see stocks like: Intel, cisco and Microsoft on the list of the top ten dividend payers among the 30 Dow stocks. Wasn't...
by madsinger
Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:16 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Dogs of the Dow instead of S&P 500?
Replies: 27
Views: 2329

Re: madsinger monthly report (December 2013)

The negativity towards Wiener displayed by many posters on this forum seems indefensible given his long term track record. You could do a lot worse than follow his guidance. Hi Scooter57, While I have never subscribed nor even read any of the Wiener newsletters, I agree with your statement that man...
by madsinger
Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:20 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (December 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 1637

Re: [Poll] What was your 2013 return?

17.42% for the madsinger portfolio.

The general allocation is:
44% US stocks
15% Int'l stocks
5% REITs
3% Precious Metals Fund
33% Short Term Bonds

Here's the year end madsinger report:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=129673&newpost=1906876

-Brad.
by madsinger
Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:38 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: [Poll] What was your 2013 return?
Replies: 209
Views: 9156

Re: madsinger monthly report (December 2013)

Happy 2014! Or, perhaps, I should say Happy 2013! Big US stock returns (30+%) this past year were very good for the portfolios. International stock were not as good, mostly due to the negative return of Emerging Markets. Bonds were mostly negative. REITs returned about 3%, and precious metals fund w...
by madsinger
Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:28 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (December 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 1637

madsinger monthly report (December 2013)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their December 2013 returns, 2013 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2004, 2009 and 2011 (15 years 0 months, 10 years 0 months, 5 years 0 months, 3 years 0 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/20, ...
by madsinger
Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:22 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (December 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 1637

Re: S&P 500 index fund distrubutes over 5% cap gain?

Some companies were added/removed from the index this year, which likely is the biggest culprit to this. But yes, Vanguard's way of having the ETF be a share class of the underlying fund helps to avoid these types of issues and minimize costs. I don't think the additions/deletions can be the whole ...
by madsinger
Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:44 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: S&P 500 index fund distrubutes over 5% cap gain?
Replies: 5
Views: 816

S&P 500 index fund distrubutes over 5% cap gain?

Just an observation. The (yucky) S&P500 index fund in my 401-k plan at work is OGEAX (JP Morgan, 0.45% ER). Yesterday it had a long capital gain distribution of 2.42 and short term distribution of 0.03 on an NAV of 40.43. This is a 5.5% capital gain distribution from a S&P 500 Index fund? Ho...
by madsinger
Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:03 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: S&P 500 index fund distrubutes over 5% cap gain?
Replies: 5
Views: 816

Re: madsinger monthly report (November 2013)

Another strong month for US stocks, with most categories up around 3% for the month. Internationals ranged from up (Europe 1%) to flat (Pacific 0%) to negative (Emerging market down -2%). Bonds were down (Total Bond -0.35%). REITs and Precious Metals fell hard for the month (-5.2% and -6.7% respecti...
by madsinger
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:29 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (November 2013)
Replies: 9
Views: 1791

madsinger monthly report (November 2013)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their November 2013 returns, 2013 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2003, 2008 and 2010 (14 years 11 months, 10 years 11 months, 5 years 11 months, 3 years 11 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/...
by madsinger
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:23 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (November 2013)
Replies: 9
Views: 1791

Re: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)

Hello Mrxyz, Your last post shows me that you look like you understand this perfectly well! You're obviously saving a huge amount, your allocation looks like it is right in line with your ability, need and willingness to take risk, and your emergency fund is well funded and safe. Congratulations. I ...
by madsinger
Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:08 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 2194

Re: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)

rotorhead wrote:madsinger, thank you very much for this post; and for your most comprehensive reply to mxyrz's questions. Serves as a very good refresher to all of us as we contemplate our own personal considerations.


Thank you, rotorhead!
by madsinger
Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:03 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 2194

Re: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)

Hmmm...I was going to start writing a bunch more, but I'm not sure if you're interested. If you are really interested in dividing up your portfolio, I think I would rather direct you to my favorite book ever on investing: William Bernstein's "The Four Pillars of Investing". This is a great...
by madsinger
Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:58 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 2194

Re: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)

Hello mrxyz, I'll give you "my" philosophy on investing. This is not an absolute, it is just my opinion after years of studying and observing. The first decision to make is asset allocation...how to divide your assets among the major investment classes. Even what constitutes "major in...
by madsinger
Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:54 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 2194

Re: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)

Thanks for the report. But, please teach the ignorant me........ a) If madsinger knows the returns then why does he create his own portfolio? Especially if he knows ______ fund already has an established x% return. b) More importantly, for me, who has 3 fund portfolio.........looking at the list wh...
by madsinger
Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:09 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 2194

madsinger monthly report (October 2013)

Here is a big fat collection of portfolios, with their October 2013 returns, 2013 YTD return, and annualized returns since 1999, 2003, 2008 and 2010 (14 years 10 months, 10 years 10 months, 5 years 10 months, 3 years 10 months). I broke them into four categories, roughly corresponding to 100/0, 80/2...
by madsinger
Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:18 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: madsinger monthly report (October 2013)
Replies: 12
Views: 2194

Re: Do I lose my 401k employer match when changing jobs?

This is how my company does match. If I'm not employed on Dec 31 of a year, I get no match for the year. Now...this hasn't been an issue since 2008, since my company has not paid out any 401-k since then...but I know this is the case. It is in the plan documents, and it does get explained to us. -Br...
by madsinger
Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:57 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Do I lose my 401k employer match when changing jobs?
Replies: 15
Views: 1577

Re: More XIRR Questions

The "technically accurate" way to account for reinvested dividends is: A B C 1 12/31/2012 $10,000.00 starting point 2 4/20/2013 $1,000.00 added some money 3 6/30/2013 ($254.12) dividend paid about 4 6/30/2013 $254.12 dividend re-investment 5 10/15/2013 ($11,500.00) value today =XIRR(B1:B5,...
by madsinger
Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:28 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: More XIRR Questions
Replies: 10
Views: 799

Re: Quick real return math question

Kelly wrote:Am I calculating real return correctly? The asset declined 36% in 10 years. Over the same period inflation ran at 2.5% per year. In this hypothetical case, the real return is 50% loss: -50%=(1-0.36)/(1.025^10)-1

Did I do this correctly??

Many thanks!!

Kellu


I would say yes.

-Brad.
by madsinger
Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:05 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Quick real return math question
Replies: 2
Views: 263
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