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Re: How do traders make money?

I agree completely. But, "on average, traders lost money" is useful. I would like to see author's definition of traders. If it is same as general financial media definition of a trader (any one with a margin account), then it does not surprise me. Trading is always about asymmetrical pay ...
by Ranger
Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:01 am
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: How do traders make money?
Replies: 37
Views: 2444

Re: Is Market really efficient? This says no-

I have a completely different view of the market. I think the market is extremely inefficient in almost every respect. There is an enormous amount of insider trading and information disparity. There is an enormous amount of false tips circulating through the market on a daily basis. There are highl...
by Ranger
Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:51 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Is Market really efficient? This says no-
Replies: 39
Views: 2711

Re: Bogle: Too Much In Bonds

Bogle is a closet market timer.

This is not the first time he is giving conflicting message. If he preaches "stay the course" then he should stick to that message. Otherwise he is muddling core message to his legions.
by Ranger
Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:49 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Bogle: Too Much In Bonds
Replies: 115
Views: 9191

Re: How do traders make money?

Wow! That is a high expense ratio. These locals must anticipate large successes Only big kahuna or successful trader can buy a seat in exchange. Most of them lease seats from exchange members, which can go from couple of grand per month. Remember they do get very cheap commissions for the privilege...
by Ranger
Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:33 pm
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: How do traders make money?
Replies: 37
Views: 2444

Re: How do traders make money?

The Profitability of Day Traders Author(s): Douglas J. Jordan and J. David Diltz Source: Financial Analysts Journal, Vol. 59, No. 6 (Nov. - Dec., 2003), pp. 85-94 Comparison of Profitability Results. In general,the aggregate results from the two methodologies are similar, in spite of the fact that ...
by Ranger
Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:08 pm
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: How do traders make money?
Replies: 37
Views: 2444

Re: How do traders make money?

Are their numbers replenished by new traders? If you meant traders who go bust are replaced by new traders? Yes, most of these locals lease seat on the exchanges on per month basis. So their place is taken by the new traders. There are only fixed number of members on these exchanges, so basically t...
by Ranger
Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:54 pm
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: How do traders make money?
Replies: 37
Views: 2444

Re: Career as a trader

Some what related to your background which might interest you.

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by Ranger
Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:41 pm
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Career as a trader
Replies: 24
Views: 2279

Re: How do traders make money?

I thought traders on the floor were just facilitators of other peoples actual trades. :| Facilitators of other people are called "Floor Brokers". There are "locals", who trade in pits and they usually trade their own account. They usually follow the order flow and big momentum t...
by Ranger
Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:27 pm
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: How do traders make money?
Replies: 37
Views: 2444

Re: Career as a trader

Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows how hard it is to berak into a career in trading? It is very hard. Big bank trading desks only hire from MBA's from top 20 business schools. Quant desks hire only PhDs from top schools. I have dabbled a bit in investing. Have earned roughly a 80% ROI since 3 y...
by Ranger
Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:16 pm
 
Forum: Personal Finance (Not Investing)
Topic: Career as a trader
Replies: 24
Views: 2279

Re: "Stock market downside quite limited"

OkieIndexer wrote:How does he come to the conclusion that the high equity premium right now means quite limited market downside?


He is probably referencing recent paper by NYFed.

See here
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=116213
by Ranger
Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:56 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: "Stock market downside quite limited"
Replies: 25
Views: 3143

Re: help finding information about structured investments

We are just talking hypothetical's here. I am not sure exact nature of CD OP has. I respectfully disagree with your comments. If i were to hold these CD's, i would still hold on till it is called away or matures. First step in Fed tightening is stopping QE3. Their bond buying program is holding down...
by Ranger
Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:34 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: help finding information about structured investments
Replies: 15
Views: 591

Re: help finding information about structured investments

My link in yesterday looks like is not working.

Here is the prospectus for "10 Year “30s – 2s” Yield Curve Steepener CD" with the CUSIP number 40431AZQ8
http://tinyurl.com/kh9gmtf
by Ranger
Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:59 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: help finding information about structured investments
Replies: 15
Views: 591

Re: help finding information about structured investments

This looks like Leveraged steepner callable CD. I am guessing the last 2 (23) digit represents curve steepner between 2 year constant maturity swap rate and 30 year constant maturity swap rate. Based on last weekend swap rates, 30 year is paying 3.21% and 2 year swap rate is paying 0.46%. http://www...
by Ranger
Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:38 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: help finding information about structured investments
Replies: 15
Views: 591

Re: Charlie Munger's 4 Secrets To Getting Rich

Anyone who has listened to or read much of Mr. Munger would realize that of the many things he is: wise, generous , and he possesses an excellent sardonic wit, he is also a brutally blunt, irascible and sometimes a grumpy old curmudgeon. +1 http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/18/news/economy/munger-michig...
by Ranger
Fri May 31, 2013 4:06 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Charlie Munger's 4 Secrets To Getting Rich
Replies: 9
Views: 2838

Re: trading costs matter

Starting year of this study does not make sense. Market microstructure in 90’s and early 2000’s is no way similar to the current market. Dark pools, which are where arbitrageur trades mostly these days have exploded since 2006. HFT activities were also not there in last decade. I am not sure patient...
by Ranger
Fri May 31, 2013 10:36 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: trading costs matter
Replies: 13
Views: 1021

Re: Cramer's 10 recommended stocks lost -90%

Taylor Larimore wrote:Bogleheads:
Mr. Bogle warned about the stock "bubble" and urged his listeners to maintain a healthy allocation to bonds.


Isn't that market timing?
by Ranger
Wed May 29, 2013 9:17 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: "A Statistical Look at Jim Cramer's Skill Level"
Replies: 77
Views: 6235

Re: "A Statistical Look at Jim Cramer's Skill Level"

Isn't comparing Cramer's performance to Powerball jackpot odds is like comparing apples and oranges? Powerball jackpot picks are odds of picking 5 or 6 numbers consecutively. I don’t think Cramer picked 4 worst picks one after the other. He probably had many winners in between. Also author incorrect...
by Ranger
Wed May 29, 2013 8:03 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: "A Statistical Look at Jim Cramer's Skill Level"
Replies: 77
Views: 6235

Re: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)

Your assumption of implied cost of 4%, due to loss of dividends is wrong. I already wrote above dividends are taken into account during calculation of option pricing. You can also use CBOE or any option calculator to figure out this. Here is the theoretical option price from CBOE calculator based on...
by Ranger
Sat May 25, 2013 11:02 am
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)
Replies: 32
Views: 1972

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

No, Ranger, I suggest evaluating "under-performance" as compared to a broad Index (like S&P 500 or Total Mkt if you prefer) - this should tell you if your "active strategy" has worked or not. We just have to agree to disagree. But it is pretty universal, when it comes to com...
by Ranger
Sat May 18, 2013 8:10 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

I would suggest to those investors that they invest in CDs or bonds instead. What can I say. These investors, who invest in these strategies are High Net Worth (HNW) individuals and they are not typical bogleheads. They wont open 100's bank account to get their $250,000/$500,000 max limit CD's per ...
by Ranger
Thu May 16, 2013 1:51 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

Regarding stat’s, it doesn’t say anything different than what I wrote before. Most of his under-performance when compared to M* long-short index came in his last year, which dragged down 1,5,10 year numbers. I suggest not losing sight of the fact that an Index Fund returns what the Index returns (mi...
by Ranger
Thu May 16, 2013 12:53 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: The new profitability factor, US and int'l evidence

+1 Drum up business, even accusing other successful firms are doing something illegal without offering any proof. http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=110296&p=1605993#p1605993 2)As to your other comment--it's Vanguard's choice to stick with simple index funds because they ch...
by Ranger
Wed May 15, 2013 11:10 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: The new profitability factor, US and int'l evidence
Replies: 169
Views: 8312

Re: Books that have actually changed your life, in a way.

xerty24 wrote:Market Wizards


+1

In addition to that "Options, Futures & Other derivatives" by John Hull, which was text book for my "Derivatives" class
by Ranger
Wed May 15, 2013 10:26 am
 
Forum: Personal Consumer Issues
Topic: Books that have actually changed your life, in a way.
Replies: 149
Views: 8993

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

If to you this 10-year run happens to be "not bad," good for you! Absolutely, If Long/short was my bogey, then I will be thrilled with the performance from inception. $17,396 vs 14,483 of bogey. 10 years is par for the course. $11,046 vs $12,886 of bogey. Almost all of his under-performan...
by Ranger
Tue May 14, 2013 5:24 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

2. Just wanted to show you: a. what happened during 77% (10/13) of HSGFX's short life, b. no one has a magic wand to effectively and consistently pick the best performers in the future, c. proceed at your own peril. Alas, even bogleheads not immune from comparing to wrong index. His is long/short f...
by Ranger
Tue May 14, 2013 2:53 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

he runs a buy and hold stock fund with a hedging option which he uses when PE10 is high. PE10 has been high, so he has hedged and whiffed big time since the recovery. He uses Price to Peak earnings ratio, not PE10. http://www.hussmanfunds.com/popup/pricepeak.htm Recent P/PE chart http://www.vectorg...
by Ranger
Tue May 14, 2013 2:45 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

In 2009, there was a plethora of Hussman advocates on this forum. Personally I think his gift for eloquently telling a compelling story far exceeds his ability to forecast future returns. +1 I enjoy his readings along with GMO, Bill Gross etc. Atleast with his funds, investors knows what they are g...
by Ranger
Tue May 14, 2013 2:43 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

Since performance chasers exist both in index fund and active fund, I will stick with data comparing two bear market and two bull market period, instead of two bull market and one bear market. You can update your chart in next market. It must be painful for investors of roller coaster index fund, wh...
by Ranger
Tue May 14, 2013 12:07 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to inv

Cool. There are no performance chasers investing in these index funds. Most of the investors would have sold at the bottom of these roller coasters and piled on at highs. Just look at fund flow data. You are comparing capital preservation fund with index fund, which has a different objective. That f...
by Ranger
Tue May 14, 2013 9:13 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Hussman: Now is one of the worst times in history to invest
Replies: 51
Views: 6550

Re: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)

How would you you think about this in terms of structuring as an options trade? Thanks! I haven’t read the book you posted. Does the book give any suggestions to implement it? You can go thru’ Market-timer thread. I read that thread long time back. Don’t remember all the details about implementatio...
by Ranger
Mon May 13, 2013 7:51 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)
Replies: 32
Views: 1972

Re: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)

Tell me what you mean by circuit breaker. Do you mean the NYSE circuit breaker that's triggered on drops of the Dow? Yes. SEC has new rules now as of Feb 2013. It is based on SP500 now. New triggers are 7%,13% and 20% based on previous day close (instead of 10%,20% and 30% of Dow based on previous ...
by Ranger
Sun May 12, 2013 8:03 am
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)
Replies: 32
Views: 1972

Re: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)

Do you know if you get these 1:6 (~15%) rates with just 1 or 2 ETFs (and no hedge) in the portfolio, or do you get penalized by IB for a concentrated position? For concentrated portfolio with regular equities, margin goes up from 15% to 30% (1:3.33). If it is pure SPY position, probably it goes fro...
by Ranger
Sat May 11, 2013 10:55 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)
Replies: 32
Views: 1972

Re: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)

1) Would a "flash crash" of the type experienced in May 2010 be likely to wipe an account like this out? I'm concerned because VTI was momentarily down >50%, which could trigger a margin call and automatic liquidation of the entire position. I don't know whether a few crazy trades are eno...
by Ranger
Sat May 11, 2013 7:56 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Using Ayres/Nalebuff leveraged strategy (Lifecycle Inv.)
Replies: 32
Views: 1972

NYFed article: "Are Stocks Cheap? A Review of the Evidence"

http://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2013/05/are-stocks-cheap-a-review-of-the-evidence.html " The value of 5.4 percent for December 2012 is about as high as it’s ever been. The previous two peaks correspond to November 1974 and January 2009. Those were dicey times. By the end of 1974, w...
by Ranger
Sat May 11, 2013 6:22 am
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: NYFed article: "Are Stocks Cheap? A Review of the Evidence"
Replies: 2
Views: 577

Re: Video of High Frequency Trading in Action

Cool video, but it is not reality of HFT.

If you want good discussion of hft, boglehead is not the forum.

Here is one:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthrea ... did=266552
by Ranger
Thu May 09, 2013 6:30 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Video of High Frequency Trading in Action
Replies: 5
Views: 582

Re: Anyone wish to share their play money investments?

am wrote:Anyone use exotic ETFs, options, etc?


Yes, Most of my portfolio is in derivatives
by Ranger
Mon May 06, 2013 12:20 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Anyone wish to share their play money investments?
Replies: 56
Views: 3214

Re: Investing with options + bonds

Insurance companies have to match their long dated liabilities with their assets. So they usually go to the long end of the curve in bonds. Individual investors (in my opinion) are in better position to execute this strategy. Instead of going for paltry yield and huge risk in long bonds, you can put...
by Ranger
Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:11 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Investing with options + bonds
Replies: 15
Views: 828

Re: Market "melt up" and the Airplane Game

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by Ranger
Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:34 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Market "melt up" and the Airplane Game
Replies: 65
Views: 5252

Re: Risky retirement portfolio mitigated by stop loss ?

If that person is can get by with $450 k and he has $500 k portfolio, then it is better to [*] go with $450 k short duration bond funds and $50 k Equity. Think of that like floor with long term call option or [*] go with $400 k short duration bond + $100 k Equity, since the worst loss with this port...
by Ranger
Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:38 am
 
Forum: Investing - Help with Personal Investments
Topic: Risky retirement portfolio mitigated by stop loss ?
Replies: 17
Views: 929

Re: The VIX as a hedge of market risk

You may want to take a look at this thread in Elitetrader.

Sle has excel file which has some variance swap data in excel file.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthrea ... did=255405
by Ranger
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:12 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: The VIX as a hedge of market risk
Replies: 28
Views: 1677

Re: The VIX as a hedge of market risk

Not Akiva, but you can take a look at http://www.ederman.com/new/docs/gs-volatility_swaps.pdf It gives an example of constructing variance swap using range of options. But seriously if it is a major index, broker can quote variance swap. It dried up during credit crunch, but it is making come back i...
by Ranger
Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:37 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: The VIX as a hedge of market risk
Replies: 28
Views: 1677

Re: The VIX as a hedge of market risk

Thanks Akiwa. Your counter point is excellent and well written to boot :wink: This derivative thread was started by Larry. If some body has problem, then ask him to stop posting links to his article. One of the main reason for extensive contago in VIX futures in US, compared to Europe is voracious a...
by Ranger
Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:34 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: The VIX as a hedge of market risk
Replies: 28
Views: 1677

Re: The VIX as a hedge of market risk

Agree with Akiwa on futures.

This is from Santander study.

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by Ranger
Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:13 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: The VIX as a hedge of market risk
Replies: 28
Views: 1677

Re: Backtesting Software

That's funny. How dare you even think about market timing? I personally use Tradestation for backtesting my assumptions and also it does place autotrade. My dataset are basically futures and mostly short frame. It is expensive, if you don't place certain trades with them. I think it is like $99/mont...
by Ranger
Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:36 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Backtesting Software
Replies: 12
Views: 927

Re: Bogleheads, why is this taboo? [Use Leverage in a Portfo

You can price out an option with or with out dividends to see the difference.
by Ranger
Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:23 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Bogleheads, why is this taboo? [Use Leverage in a Portfolio]
Replies: 99
Views: 4422

Re: Bogleheads, why is this taboo? [Use Leverage in a Portfo

Wait, if create the synthetic long position, through buying a Call option and selling a Put Option, do you collect the dividend? For instance BND pays monthly dividend. which would be the bulk of the BND return. VTI pays quaterly dividend. How does that work? You don't receive actual dividends, but...
by Ranger
Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:09 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: Bogleheads, why is this taboo? [Use Leverage in a Portfolio]
Replies: 99
Views: 4422

Re: what is this Emini S&P 500 index futures? How do I use i

- You never actually own anything, they are cash settled every day based on movements in the index. It's simply a contract. -don't) Well it is equivalent to holding 500 shares of SPY. They are not cash settled every day. They are marked to market every day and cash settled at quarterly expiration. ...
by Ranger
Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:18 pm
 
Forum: Investing - Theory, News & General
Topic: what is this Emini S&P 500 index futures? How do I use it?
Replies: 7
Views: 362
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